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Mod my 4age? or go 4agze/gte?? What should i do?
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Fri, 28 January 2005 08:18
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Hey guys,
So far everyone on this website has been more than helpful and i appreciate all the info ive gained from my date of membership. But now, after owning my car for about 2 months i have come to a cross roads.
Situation:
- 1988 AE92 Levin (jdm)
- Stock 4age 16v
- JDM Red/Black Top, TVIS 94kw
- 40 000kms from new!!!
Aim:
Want the car to be a good street car, with some off the line power and still maintain good hill driving etc. Keeping in mind it has to be a daily driver so reliability is important
Now in seeking more power im trying to decide whether i should modify my engine, or do a conversion.
4age - 20v extractors, 2" mandrel exhaust, pod filter, cold air intake, possibly cams (cost around 2k). Other possible mods?
Otherwise could i put all the supercharger gear, or turbo gear onto my motor and run low boost? what would be the implications in doing this? this would save money doing a conversoin and still allow me to run low boost under about 9psi. How would this option weigh up compared to converting to ze?
4agze conversion - cost around 4k. would purchase a ae92 front cut and pretty much swap the engine over. now after doing alot of research, the 4agze seems a smarter way to go, with more torque and more outright horse power. better base for modifying in later years.
4AGZE in AE101 Trueno front. 3 to choose from ( 59300Kms, 92182kms) $2850 - FRONT CUT!!
4agte conversion-problems with this are engineering and would cost inexcess of around 4k.
Dilemma
So i am having trouble whether i can justify spending 4k on an engine conversion after i just bought the car.
What do you guys think i should do? Because my engine is in such good nick, it would be a real waste to get rid of it.
If i did go gze, would it be best to buy a front cut? If so id obviously have to look for a map ze, out of an ae101. Otherwise what parts from my current car could i use? COuld i match up the ze motor to my current gbox? What else would i need from the gze other than motor ecu and loom?
Also what are some companies in adeliade which stock the 4agze engine or front cut?
- just jap
- d1 garage
- adelaide jap?
Please shed some light if you guys have the time, or point me in the right direction
Many Thanks
Andy
[Updated on: Fri, 28 January 2005 08:20]
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Re: Mod my 4age? or go 4agze/gte?? What should i do?
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Fri, 28 January 2005 10:19
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We just chucked a turbo on our 100kW 4AGE...
Works out a lot cheaper than doing a GZE conversion.
We had to get:
-GZE ECU and map sensor
-Turbo, manifold and dump pipe (duh)
-Minor mods to the exhaust
-Intercooler (Aristo cooler donated by Norbie)
-Intake pipework (mild steel + a few silicone bends and joins)
-Greddy emanage (we could have just put in GZE pistons)
-Dyno tuning to get the emanage tuned properly
If we didn't do the emanage and we had to pay for the cooler I think we could have kept the total price around $1500ish
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Re: Mod my 4age? or go 4agze/gte?? What should i do?
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Fri, 28 January 2005 12:27
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what sort of boost were u running?
I heard that anything under 10psi would be fine, But what that actually means is that it won't blow up straight away. Would be better to play it safe and use an engine that is made to handle boost.
which perceptions are correct?
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Adelaide
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Re: Mod my 4age? or go 4agze/gte?? What should i do?
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Fri, 28 January 2005 13:58
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possibility of getting a hold of this motor:
ae101 4agze motor, just re-built, custom turbo set-up custom turbo manifold, T28 ball bearing turbo, PWR front mount intercooler with piping, turbo smart blow off valve.
what else would i need to drop this into my car?
- dump pipe
- intake pipes?
- ecu? could i run gze ecu or need after market ecu?
- loom?
- gear box? would my gbox be ok to run this motor with?
what would be problems encountered when doing this conversion?
Also, engineering - how much would it cost to engineer this engine in my car? anyone have ideas as to costing? or prices they were charged?
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Toymods Social Secretary
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Re: Mod my 4age? or go 4agze/gte?? What should i do?
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Sat, 29 January 2005 01:31
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the C series box you have now is pretty weak - i would definitely opt for an E series LSD - be sure to get the CV shafts that go with.
and then i would just take out your 100kW, add some 4AGZE pistons and rings, get a microtech, and turbo the fokker.
you will be surprised how cheap it is compared to a straight GZE conversin.
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Rosanna, Melb
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Re: Mod my 4age? or go 4agze/gte?? What should i do?
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Sat, 29 January 2005 02:02
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I think it really depends on what you want your car to be.
Witzl is on the money, but that path will involve more rooting around, diagnosing problems and generally constantly having to work on your car.
A straight ZE swap may cost more and will have its share of niggly problems to get sorted but I think you'd emerge with a very reliable, low maintainence, enjoyable car without having to open the engine. You could also keep your current engine aside to do some crazy turbo work on and still drive your car.
Hen
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Re: Mod my 4age? or go 4agze/gte?? What should i do?
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Sat, 29 January 2005 03:21
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you could allways do those na mods like cams, extractors, pod filter and when you get sick of na power do a gze conversion and use all the n/a stuff on the gze.
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Re: Mod my 4age? or go 4agze/gte?? What should i do?
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Sat, 29 January 2005 03:27
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or alternatively... you could use that extra $4k, sell your car and buy a JZX81 
i fukkin love them.
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