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Re: Smashed_Wombat's ST162 SX - With Pictures!
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Sat, 29 January 2005 10:11
 
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well let me be the 1st to say...thats one nice clean ST162, looks very well maintained. waiting till the engine dies is always an inspiration to do some sort of upgrade, look after it mate, and I always wondered what your username meant or referred to....did u smash a wambat or were u smashed when u created it. 
nice car.
Karl
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Sat, 29 January 2005 10:29
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lol - thanks! 
The story goes like this. Back in 1970 something my mates dad had just picked up his spankin new RX-3 (or similar) and was taking his old man for a spin along some highway in Gipsland. He's flying around this corner at 110mph and all of a sudden there's this giant wombat in the middle of the road. He's going too fast to do anything about it and has to hit it. The car hits it and rolls 5 times before coming to a rest against a tree. Despite the speed of the impact, the wombat hadn't moved more than a metre from where it got hit! Apparently it was the heaviest wombat ever found in the Gipsland region and is documented somewhere by the CSIRO. Hence the name, Smashed Wombat!
Coincidently, my first thread on these forums was about an accident I had in this car - so everybody seems to remember me by that... 
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Re: Smashed_Wombat's ST162 SX - With Pictures!
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Sun, 30 January 2005 10:34
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oh yeah I rember read that thread. that is one very nice ST162 Celica mate really love the colour very nice
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Re: Smashed_Wombat's ST162 SX - With Pictures!
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Mon, 31 January 2005 04:05
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Yet another nice ST162! (although this time it's in Melbourne, lol) Looks nice and clean mate, keep it up.
You forgot one thing though - you didn't credit me as the inspiration for getting those rims lol.......yes I do remember our MSN conversation all those months ago!
But yeah she looks great, and hope you get the money one day for the engine swap! (I want an ST202 3SGE for mine too....spooky!)
Cheers dude,
Matt
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Mon, 31 January 2005 04:54
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nice and clean example of a st162!!!
i love it all except for one thing,
why sony explode??? they are bad bad things!!!
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Mon, 31 January 2005 06:05
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Very nics indeed nice colour too  hehe
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Re: Smashed_Wombat's ST162 SX - With Pictures!
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Mon, 31 January 2005 13:51
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Thanks for the comments guys!
Matt: I definetly owe ya - i spent months droolin over pics of ur car and just as long trawling ebay. Thanks for your advice mate!
djcougar: The car came with a sony headunit and 6x9's. I came across the sub cheap at uni and strathfield cut me a deal on some supercheap speakers, box and amp. Its the ultimate budget stereo! I'm gettin some tweeters off ebay for $1 too. Even tho it's all bargain basement stuff people are still surprised by the quality of the system. I've even surprised a few professional installers! The trick is homework. I used the right volume and type of sub box, use an amp with roughly 70% of the rms power of the sub etc. etc. Im also really anal about neat wiring...  Installing the 4"s into the stock front enclosures and running the stock rears 4" makes a huge difference. The stock rears add some midrange that really fills out the otherwise harsh and peaky sound. Overall its alright, but needs to be tweaked for different kinds of music...
Im a bit of a hifi nerd if u didn't notice. One day when I'm rich I'll rip it all out and start again but do it the proper way.
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Re: Smashed_Wombat's ST162 SX - With Pictures!
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Tue, 01 February 2005 10:56
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I like the colour coded front lip i dont know about the roof though 
is it my eyes or is your front right guard a different colour to the rest of the car. or is it just the pic?
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Re: Smashed_Wombat's ST162 SX - With Pictures!
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Tue, 01 February 2005 11:41
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im with warrior
not sure about the roof, quite odd
but the front right guard has a wierd colour to it
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Wed, 02 February 2005 00:29
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Yeah, it always seems to come out like that in photos - there's no difference in reality tho. That whole side of the car was painted at the same time so there shouldn't be a difference. There was a black car parked next to it in that pic, might be a reflection?
The roof was something I've seen on a few drift cars and thought was interesting - the Signal D1 Silvia for eg. Because most of these coupe / hatchback cars are all glass above the waistline it makes it look a bit more defined?... I dunno, it was just an idea. Thanks for the comments.
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Thu, 03 February 2005 10:53
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i like the roof, is 180sxish. nice car dude, wish my front end was as tight.
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Re: Smashed_Wombat's ST162 SX - With Pictures!
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Thu, 03 February 2005 13:41
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r-lo if your front end looks like your avatar... your nuts!!!!
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Re: Smashed_Wombat's ST162 SX - With Pictures!
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Fri, 04 February 2005 03:41
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FOR
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SAKE
LEAVE
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STOCK!!!!!!!!!!!!
I LOVE IT!!!!!
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Re: Smashed_Wombat's ST162 SX - With Pictures!
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Fri, 25 February 2005 05:32
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Soz man, I had to do it! Time for an update I reckon;
I masked up the holes in the lower grille on the left when i painted, looks pretty good. Also painted the square around the tow hooks and the vertical supports in main opening black. Sik reh! Now I only need my neonz!! ... no not really.
Painted the mud flaps and sill panels all the way around the car too. I wanted to do the rubber strips on the side sills but ran out of paint. :-/
Also installed my ebay tweeeters, sounds pretty good.
I'm sick of people not being able to find the inside door handles in the dark, so I'm going to install these lights on the door trim inside the door handle recess. Already did the wiring, should be pretty easy.
Speaking of lights, I also installed some of those 'arctic white' headlights and parking lights. Made heaps of difference - I can actually see at night now! Thanks to Andy for getting them discounted for me!
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Gold Coast, QLD
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Re: Smashed_Wombat's ST162 SX - With Pictures!
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Thu, 03 March 2005 04:23
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What size tyres are you running?. I'm running 205/55 R15's.
Unless your struts affect ride height as well, can't think what else might cause the difference. (Unless you car weighs sigificantly less than mine!)
-Matt
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Re: Smashed_Wombat's ST162 SX - Gen 3 Swap In Progress
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Tue, 19 April 2005 13:45
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Decided it was time for a fresh engine. The top blokes down at Toyospares hooked me up with a good deal on a tidy Gen 3 from a ST202, ST204 gearbox, loom, ecu etc. This is what we've got so far:
This is Joe, partner in crime. This definitely isn't a one-man job... for us atleast!
Gen 3 - Ready to run. Found out yesterday that it has HKS Iridium plugs in it - score! Note the equal length 4-2-1 factory extractors.
Differences in exhausts - the Gen 3 piping is much larger (gasket placed over gen 1 pipe to demonstrate). Its also about 20cm shorter than the stock item to allow for the extractor piping.
The thermofan switch for the gen 3 was actually mounted in the radiator so I had to get the old one grafted onto the thermostat housing. Fits neatly under the alternator.
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Re: Smashed_Wombat's ST162 SX - Gen 3 Swap In Progress
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Tue, 19 April 2005 13:46
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Removing the loom from the engine, got stuck removing the crossmembers and had to wait for tools.... could've come out with the motor but I couldn't keep my fingers out of it.
Interior stripped to access ECU.
Puzzle waiting to be solved...
In order to get the engine out of the bay easier we jacked up one side of the car higher than the other. Poor Brick was the victim of that episode. He will live on as the mascot of our garage.
Gen 1 removed from the car. Decided to call it a day after that. We're definetly gonna need the help of someone more experienced to drop the new motor in. Any volunteers?
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Re: Smashed_Wombat's ST162 SX - Gen 3 Swap In Progress
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Tue, 19 April 2005 21:51
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[quote title=smashed_wombat wrote on Tue, 19 April 2005 23:45]
Note the equal length 4-2-1 factory extractors.
Wood !
I got wood !
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Re: Smashed_Wombat's ST162 SX - Gen 3 Swap In Progress
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Wed, 20 April 2005 06:54
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Shoulda got a beams
looks nice though.
And on the subject of with low springs not being as low as you expect you have to remember that they are also new springs which means they have little to no sag in them 
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Re: Smashed_Wombat's ST162 SX - Gen 3 Swap In Progress
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Wed, 20 April 2005 13:34
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Nice work andy-i do like those ex. headers-i hear that they really roar when on full throttle.I can give you a hand at some stage.Dont ask me bout wiring cos that shit pisses me right off, but i'm happy to come and help ya get the motor in.Are you gonna do anything to the gen3 while its out?eg seals bearings etc, headwork?????
And also, dont suppose i can buy ya gen1 egr pipe(from headers to TB)my new car doesn't have one.
Thanx mate, oh my phone # is 0415 298 248 if ya need me.
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Re: Smashed_Wombat's ST162 SX - Gen 3 Swap In Progress
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Thu, 21 April 2005 02:37
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Hey Andy, great to see that the conversion is underway!
Must admit I am a little jealous that you are doing yours first, but hey - I'll be able to learn from your experience when I come to do mine!
Hope it all goes well and catch up with ya on MSN again soon. Keep those pics coming!
-Matt
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Re: Smashed_Wombat's ST162 SX - Gen 3 Swap In Progress
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Thu, 21 April 2005 14:06
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| StuC wrote on Wed, 20 April 2005 23:34 |
And also, dont suppose i can buy ya gen1 egr pipe(from headers to TB)my new car doesn't have one.
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the EGR on that GEN1 motor doesnt go from the TB to the headers, it actually goes straight into the head, they were designed differently fom the 1985 - 1987, and from 1987 - 1989. you need the 1985-87 type.
Karl
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Re: Smashed_Wombat's ST162 SX - Gen 3 Swap In Progress
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Sun, 24 April 2005 08:14
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hmm looks very nice, hmm gen3
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Re: Smashed_Wombat's ST162 SX - Gen 3 Swap In Progress
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Mon, 25 April 2005 07:52
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I'll def take that EGR pipe off your hands but i'll pass on the whole head for the moment-thanx anyway. I sure dont envy you with those wiring looms dude, looks a bit like too much hard work for my liking.
Good to see you're getting stuck into it thoi.Keep in touch and give us a call if ya need some help
Catcha
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Re: Smashed_Wombat's ST162 SX - Gen 3 Swap In Progress
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Tue, 26 April 2005 09:28
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whats a gen1 worth 2nd hand these days?
nice car man.... if i went a bit more modern thats the car id have to get.... nice clean lines this model.
Nathan
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Tue, 26 April 2005 10:55
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I gotta admit I wasn't a fan when I bought the car, but its grown on me heaps and now I love it! Definetly more agro than the 5th and 6th generation Celicas - especially with the more flared rear quarter panels.
Because they're getting rare these days bare motors go for $1100, gen 2 $750 and gen 3 $1800. I was gonna go gen 2, but figured I would be disappointed with the results I could've gotten for the same amount of spanner work. I'll try selling the gen 1 off later, $400 - $500ish considering it'll probly need a bottom end rebuild and HG. Also got 2 gearboxes and anonther partially dismantled gen 1 in the garage which will have to go.
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Re: Smashed_Wombat's ST162 SX - Gen 3 Swap In Progress
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Wed, 27 April 2005 12:37
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Could you tell me how you used your mechanical speedo drive (from your car) and used it on a gearbox that wouldve had a VSS? Does it just swap straight over? I'm doing a swap of my own on a different car and my original is a cable speedo, and the gearbox i have is a VSS type. I havn't started yet, so i'm trying to get as much info as i can b4 hand.
Thanks.
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Wed, 27 April 2005 13:23
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I just removed the mechanical speedo drive from the old box and installed it in the new one. They're the same gearbox except for the starter position so there was no drama there. I'm not sure what will happen in regard to the wiring, for the moment I'm just going to leave it disconnected - apparently the only function of the speed sensor in a M/T car is for the speed limiter. If the ECU starts throwing up codes because it doesn't have a SPD signal then I'll try connecting it to the old speed sensor in the car (works off the gauge in the dash). I've also heard its possible to make a hybrid VSS / mechanical speedo drive but that's plan C for the moment. I'll post it up when I work it out.
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Re: Smashed_Wombat's ST162 SX - Gen 3 Swap In Progress
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Thu, 05 May 2005 10:45
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Slowly making progress, only waiting for a new RHS mount and we're ready to drop it into the car.
Since the last update I have;
- Finished the wiring of the fusebox, A/C, body loom and low oil pressure kill switch.
- Swapped over the fittings for the powersteering pump to the new one.
- Bought a new thermostat (the toyota parts guy took one look at the old thermostat and said 'its for an import isn't it?' How could he tell!?
- Got new genuine front and rear mounts, got them for trade price so the damage to the wallet was relatively ok.
- Swapped over the throttle cable
- Mucked around trying to fit a thermofan to the front of the A/C condensor. I have a smaller AE92 one to play with as well. I think just maybe it might fit on the rear of the radiator like normal, the new manifold looks like it'll only stick out a few cm more than the old one. Guess I'll work that out once the motor is in.
- Lots of other bits and pieces that I can't remember right now.
Also trying to work out what to do with the oil pressure sender:
http://forums.toymods.org.au/index.php?t=msg&t h=67925&start=0&rid=5197&S=b3c14790e96 3b3a64ebc8a5168765859
Almost completed wiring loom:
Busted front mount:
Question: Do the arrows on the new mounts indicate which way they're supposed to be installed? ie. with the arrow pointing towards the front?
Hopefully I'll get the new RHS mount tomorrow and we'll be able to drop in the new motor this weekend!
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Thu, 05 May 2005 13:15
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looking good, sorry I couldnt help with those negine mounts  (been really busy and didnt get a chance to look).
the rear engine mount doesnt matter which way the arror points as its solid all the way through.
btw. did u use the normal fan and modified it to fit on the out side. if so dont forget to swap the wires so that it pushes air not suck.
Karl
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Mon, 09 May 2005 09:36
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karl, that's ok. It was probably best to get new mounts anyway. The arrow on the mount actually did make a difference - with it pointing backward the lump on top would hit the steering rack (found out the hard way).
If anyone's been reading the ST162 thread you'd know that the engine is in the car after some dramas with the crossmember. It all fell into place after a few hours of head scratching! I'll post pics of it later. We had a few close calls with bits and pieces not lining up correctly (such as the right driveshaft carrier and the A/C compressor) but it seems to be coming along nicely. Bit worried about the radiator tho - its definetly gonna be a tight fit there.
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Tue, 17 May 2005 01:13
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IT IS ALIVE!!! 
Started first go, nothing exploded either!
For those who are interested,
- The Gen I A/C compressor will not bolt up to the Gen III without modification to the top housing. Decided it wasn't worth the effort and installed the Gen III compressor, will have to get the system converted to the new gas by a professional.
- The thermofan isn't working in its front mounted position, I cant get a flush fit due to the A/C piping so the air just blows out the sides instead of through the core. Will have to track down an ST thermofan or make some kind of a shroud.
- Reassembling CV joints isn't fun.
- Neighbours dont appreciate the sound of a car running with no exhaust pipe... especially old german ones at 10:00 at night.
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Tue, 17 May 2005 01:20
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| smashed_wombat wrote on Tue, 17 May 2005 11:13 |
IT IS ALIVE!!!
Started first go, nothing exploded either!
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WOOT. Don't you love it when that happens. I was jumping with joy too when my engine started up first go *sorta* without anything burning or exploding.
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LOL we got complaints from my car. Turbo to the atmosphere is seriously eardrum-smashing-material.
Good job dude. Glad to see it on the road again.
Yian
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Sun, 22 May 2005 13:08
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Update:
Had the exhaust done by Unique Exhaust in Bayswater. 2" piping, 24" resonator, straight through muffler and modified front pipe. They're a bit expensive, but IMO you get what you pay for and these guys have done a top job.
After getting the exhaust on the car had a terrible vibration problem. Well, I thought it was terrible but the girlfriend didn't mind it. Took the car down to Toyospares where Matt managed to (very easily) remove the crossmember bolts that had us stumped for 2 days with his magic cordless rattle gun. We found that there was a small triangular section between the flywheel housing and sump that fouled on the crossmember. After cutting this out and manipulating the crossmember with a pry bar everything fell into place nicely and the car was back on the road!
Compared to what it was like, this thing goes hard! Off the line it'll spin the wheels when shifting to 2nd and 3rd (at around 100km/h). It sounds absolutely fantastic too. Just got a few loose ends to tidy up and she'll be finished for the moment. We found another '162 at pinch-a-part, picked up the funky duct thingo that goes behind the lower lip on the LHS - perfect to be cut up and turned into a CAI! Also got another front quarter panel, but that's another story... 
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Sun, 22 May 2005 13:21
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Yian: It's the (second) best feeling in the world isn't it?! I think I spotted your car the other day btw.
Here's a pic, was taken the day we cranked it over for the first time. Will post new pics later.
Another technical point, you dont need to cut up the '202 brackets (like I did) to mount the coil and ignitor - simply turn the '202 bracket 90 degrees and voila! ... only realised this afterwards
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Sun, 22 May 2005 22:23
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| smashed_wombat wrote on Tue, 17 May 2005 11:13 |
- Neighbours dont appreciate the sound of a car running with no exhaust pipe... especially old german ones at 10:00 at night.
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very true but you just cant help givin a blip for that first time.
They also dont appreciate you using the impact wrench at 3am
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Mon, 23 May 2005 08:04
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Nice andy, very nice. so we should meet up soon (all of us Melbourne celicas) and go for a nice drive.I need to hear and see this in person and i also want to pick your brains about some electrical problems
Keep up the good work,
Stu
oh, and if you happen to come across a drivers side grab handle with elec window controls (pref black)could you please pick it up for me coz the one in my other car is munted good.
THanx dude
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Mon, 23 May 2005 15:47
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im jealous.......very jelous.... 
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Tue, 24 May 2005 02:25
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Hey Andy,
It's all sounding really good - I love reading your updates because it's what I'll be experiencing myself in a few months time! It's really hard with my Gen 3 just sitting there in the workshop unused.....I wanna install it NOW! It's certainly teaching me patience.
We are SOOO going to have to cruise together one day when mine's done mate, would make for some great photos!
Keep it coming,
-Matt
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Tue, 24 May 2005 06:40
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very nice car.....i have the same colour hmmm is it a rare colour i didnt realise...
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Re: Smashed_Wombat's ST162 SX - Gen 3 Swap In Progress
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Tue, 24 May 2005 22:33
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This might sound like abit of a Noob question, but does converting your engine to a Gen 3 require a engineers certicate? or some kind of approval?
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Tue, 24 May 2005 22:51
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No, it doesn't. At least not here in QLD anyway.
I did a lot of research on this before I bought my engine, as I had the same concerns and was told that there would be no problem. It's still a 2.0L, 4 cylinder N/A 3SGE, and needs no structural mods to fit it. I also asked about the emissions aspect and was told that Japanese engines pass all our emissions requirements so no problems there, as long as all the emissions equipment is hooked up as it was originally in Japan.
All I will have to do is fill in a form with QLD Transport to notify of the engine number change, and I'm good to go. Of course, with the power increase I will also be upgrading the brakes etc, as a responsible car modifier should.
-Matt
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Wed, 25 May 2005 00:04
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Thanks for the comments guys!
Matt, are you using the ST202 brakes? CharlieMR2 had a set he was trying to sell, unfortunatley my bank balance is <$10 atm. Its a bit scary when your car accelerates faster than it can decelerate, definitely in need of an upgrade. Does the ST202 have twin piston calipers?
Down here in Vic we only need to notify the RTA of the new engine number, but they need to inspect the car to confirm it. Hence I'm trying to make everything look as 'factory' as possible. Unless I get unlucky and get a Toyota rev-head doing the inspection I shouldn't have a problem.
I still need to do the A/C conversion which will cost around $200 including regassing. The pod also needs to be shrouded - there's a noticable difference when the engine is sucking hot air.
If anyone is thinking of doing an engine swap themselves I highly recommend it. I would've been screwed without the help of the guys at Toyospares and my mates all lending a hand (thanks guys!). The look on peoples faces who didn't think you could pull it off makes it all worth while. I'm thinking of doing another easy one... something like a 20 Valve 4A-GE into an AE101 Corolla? Good weekend project.
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Re: Smashed_Wombat's ST162 SX - Gen 3 Swap In Progress
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Thu, 26 May 2005 01:18
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Hey Andy,
Yeah we may need to have the car inspected to confirm an engine no change in QLD too, not sure as I have never done it before.
I didn't pick the ST202 brakes off the half cut, they didn't look in very good condition to me, and I figured I could always buy them later if I wanted to. As far as I can tell, the ST202 calipers are single piston. I never actually put my head behind to check so I'm not entirely sure. I took a couple of photos of ST202 brakes (from a different half cut I inspected a few months ago):
These ST202 calipers don't appear to be the same as the ST185 single piston calipers either, after comparing pics of both. I'm not sure yet which way I'm going to go with brakes, I'm doing a bit of research on that at the moment.
Ther is a good article on Celica brakes on this site: www.gtfours.co.uk, (go to Modifications > 165 > Brakes in the menu.) It seems to indicate that the twin piston brakes on the ST185 were initially the same as those on the ST165, and that the ST185 was later upgraded to the single piston ones along with larger discs (and therefore greater swept area leading to better braking), and Aus spec 185's were fitted with these. According to the DBA catalogue, the ST162 (and ST165, I would assume) disc is 258mm in diameter, and the ST185 (Aus-spec, fitted with the single piston caliper) is 278mm. The ST204 discs (assuming the same as 202) are 275mm so they are different again.
So if you want to keep the ST162 discs the only upgrade option is the 165/185 twin piston caliper, which of course will be an improvement in itself. If you use either the ST185 single piston or ST202 calipers, you'd need to grab the discs to go with them since they would seem to be too big for the standard 162 disc. I'm thinking of getting DBA rotors when I upgrade mine so that opens my options - just get the appropriate DBA disc for whichever calipers I decide to go for.
Well that's a summary of my research so far anyway!
-Matt
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Fri, 27 May 2005 02:39
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i have seen andy's car and let me just say i needed several sets of undies after both being drivin in, and had the honor of actualy driving it!
i cant tell you how much of a top job hes done! it has to been seen/heard to do it justice!!!
btw andy, hope those pads help tie you over till you upgrade ur breaks... that is if you let them last that long...
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Re: Smashed_Wombat's ST162 SX - Gen 3 Swap In Progress
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Mon, 06 June 2005 05:34
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The superstrut ST202's have twin piston calipers? Hmm, the half cut that my engine came from had superstrut front suspension (was a '99 model).......methinks I had better give them another call and see if those brakes are still there! I should have had a closer look when I was checking the cut out to begin with, but I was focusing on the engine at the time. Only worry would be the availability of pads for them.....might be hard to find some (or very expensive to get them in) if those brakes didn't come here on any Aus-delivered models. I think some later MR2's had twin pistons, might have to look into that, maybe they're the same.
As far as I know the idea of the super strut suspension was to keep each front wheel perpendicular to the ground at all times throughout the suspension's travel. It was developed specifically for the ST205 GT4 (I suppose they figured it would be of benefit in rallying) and it filtered down to the 2WD Celicas later on. I read that the rally team found it to be more trouble than it was worth, (all the bearings/bushes in the extra linkages would wear out quickly to the detriment of handling) and it was only of any real benefit on asphalt rallies. No coincidence that the ST205's only WRC win was the '95 Rally of Corsica. Towards the end of the season they actually dropped it in favor of regular struts but that didn't last long before the team was famously banned for the illegal turbo restrictor in October '95.
By the way Andy, did you use a new clutch when you did your swap? Let me know.
-Matt
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Re: Smashed_Wombat's ST162 SX - Gen 3 Swap In Progress
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Sun, 12 June 2005 14:28
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I put new pics at the top of the thread and updated the details.
The A/C is now fixed up, now I've only got to get an adaptor to fit the oil pressure sender to the head and box up the pod and I'd say the conversion is 100% finished!
Found some other pics ppl might be interested in.
DIY Intake Pipe. Attachments are for the ISC, A/C Idle Up VSV and Air Temp Sender.
Sick of noob passngers not being able to find your door handles at night? Here's your answer! I hooked them up to the dash illumination power.
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Re: Smashed_Wombat's ST162 SX - Gen III Swap Completed!
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Mon, 13 June 2005 08:00
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YOU FINISHED! hows it go? tell all!
Looks great in there, nice work! One of these days im gonna have to line you up at the traffic lights and see how we match up...
Cheers
Steve
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Re: Smashed_Wombat's ST162 SX - Gen 3 Swap In Progress
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Mon, 13 June 2005 10:18
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Front mount fan from an ST (left). STILL doesn't clear the A/C lines, will have them changed over to rubber ones when I get the A/C converted over... there must be an easier way! Does the GT-4 have an allowance for these lines that this shround doesn't?
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Ahh yes it does have allowences, the AC lines actually go underneath the fan in the 165 the whole AC lines change they run around differant than the 162, and the powersteering oil cooler comes out further to clear the fan. the fan and shroud itself though are the same as the ST.
maybe what you could to is try and mount the slimline original one infront of those lines, off the radiator? is there enough room there to fit it?
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Re: Smashed_Wombat's ST162 SX - Gen 3 Swap In Progress
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Mon, 13 June 2005 12:55
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Steve - It goes great man, I'm 100% happy with it. It feels like there's a lot more torque through the whole range and I find it a lot more responsive than before. It doesn't feel as fast as a GT-2, but is still a good drive. If I'm ever up in Cambo I'll take you up on that race!
Wiso - Thanks for the info. I originally had the slim fan bracketed to the front of the condensor, but because I couldn't get it flush the air would blow around the core instead of through it. When I had the A/C regassed I got them to change the high pressure line that runs across the front to a rubber hose which now runs along the back of the front bar. I wanted it down the bottom, but apparently it would mess with the airflow... I think the guy just cbf'd going to the effort. Anyway, the ST fan is now in there and working perfectly. In hindsight I should've lifted the high pressure pipes from the car the fan came from, might've saved a few dollars and would've been much happier with the result.
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Re: Smashed_Wombat's ST162 SX - Gen 3 Swap In Progress
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Wed, 15 June 2005 03:30
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hey man I had my front bar off today and thought id take a pic anyway to show you what the gt4 setup is like on the 165
you got it working already but its just for future reference
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Smashed_Wombat's ST162 SX - 3SGE Gen III Swap
, just thought you might want to know, you cant fit 205/50r17 on your car you would need to get atleast 205/(40 or 45)R17 because 50 series wont fit under the struts, unless you use spacers which are'nt so safe. cheers.
