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Re: I had too post this!!!
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Sat, 29 January 2005 15:04
 
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Nothing particulary - Wheels (who I think has always been on Holdens' payroll anyway) got excited because it delivered almost European standards of handling and ride at the time because Holden had paid a lot of attention to spring and damper rates, even theough the suspension design was quite orthodox.
It was more space efficent and more modern looking than the Kingswood it replaced, which is no surprise as that was nearly 10 years older. The engines were of course utter shit.
Basically the way I see it, Wheels gave it car of the year even though all the Commodore really achieved at the time was a locallly built and only partially designed car playing catch up with the dynamics standards that the better cars at a similar price point in Europe achieved.
The exterior panels, an amalgamam of Opel Reckord from the windscreen back and Open Senator front end to allow for that long piece of shit 6 cylinder boat anchor (or the shit v8's if you wanted to waste even more petrol whilst not going much faster) together with an Opel dashboard and revised suspension and the whole thing suitably strengthened up, meant that Holden didn't exactly have to reinvent the wheel. 
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Re: I had too post this!!!
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Sat, 29 January 2005 15:14
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Speaking of wheels, has there ever been a Toyota that has one car of the year?? My personal opinion is Toyota has a much better build then any Holden. Toyota's seem too last
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Re: I had too post this!!!
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Sun, 30 January 2005 03:37
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Hi,
What little respect I had for Wheels magazine evapourated when they gave the Leyland P76 the COTY award, oh so many years ago.
Needless to say that respect hasn't returned. Occasionally I flick through one at the newso and find it's still garbage.
seeyuzz
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I supported Toymods
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Re: I had too post this!!!
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Sun, 30 January 2005 04:24
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mick - not a wheels car of the year, but the prius is winning arse-loads of awards elsewhere
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Re: I had too post this!!!
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Sun, 30 January 2005 04:30
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I don't know how the Mitsubishi Magna got car of the year in 1985 as my parents had an 1987 model and the auto fucked up on it (car was only 4 years old at the time) and just about anyone else I have known too have one has had problems with the automatics  (must be a Mitsubishi thing) also it was pretty heavy on fuel. Although I must admit they have a nice interior. I'm starting to think thats how wheels works out the COTY award. If it's got Comfy seats or is a Holden thats the car that gets the COTY award.
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Re: I had too post this!!!
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Sun, 30 January 2005 04:42
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| draven wrote on Sun, 30 January 2005 15:24 |
mick - not a wheels car of the year, but the prius is winning arse-loads of awards elsewhere
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I wanna have a drive of a Prius. they sound really good. As I read on an old thread on this forum that they can get 62mpg!! now that is a great fuel ecconomy and had good performance for what it is. this is why I wanna drive one
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Re: I had too post this!!!
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Sun, 30 January 2005 05:28
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| mick wrote on Sun, 30 January 2005 15:42 |
| draven wrote on Sun, 30 January 2005 15:24 |
mick - not a wheels car of the year, but the prius is winning arse-loads of awards elsewhere
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I wanna have a drive of a Prius. they sound really good. As I read on an old thread on this forum that they can get 62mpg!! now that is a great fuel ecconomy and had good performance for what it is. this is why I wanna drive one
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they sound real cool - like dead silent just about - bloody things are stealth cars at slow speeds! 
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June 2004
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Re: I had too post this!!!
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Sun, 30 January 2005 08:43
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Hey all,
About the Prius a britain tv show called top gear road tested one - apparently there sposed to go like shit, and the accelation is sposed to be poor. But there a good car if you wanna save money and the environment i'd have one for sure,
Cheers
Brad
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Sun, 30 January 2005 09:35
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| mick wrote on Sun, 30 January 2005 02:14 |
Speaking of wheels, has there ever been a Toyota that has one car of the year?? My personal opinion is Toyota has a much better build then any Holden. Toyota's seem too last
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My car won the wheels sports car of the year in 1988! Ohhh yeah... Up against the Supra, RX-7, 300ZX etc. of the same vintage. I spose a FWD sports car was a novelty back then. 
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Re: I had too post this!!!
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Sun, 30 January 2005 09:46
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when has a commadore ever been high tech their v8's still use pushrods.
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Sun, 30 January 2005 09:50
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My mate went for a ride in a Prius... at full power takeoff it was plenty quick enough for a daily driver  The electronic system display looked awesome too hehe, said he would probably crash the car if he owned one just watching the display informing him what the car was doing... charging this circuit, that circuit on braking etc, battery usage, electrical engine usage and petrol engine usages... They also have a CVT I believe 
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Re: I had too post this!!!
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Sun, 30 January 2005 10:10
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| 4agte wrote on Sun, 30 January 2005 20:46 |
when has a commadore ever been high tech their v8's still use pushrods.
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thats what I though too when I read the link( that why I posted it) So according to that link, that would mean that my old 202 Holden ute had better technology then my 3S-FE Camry, right idiots 
Isn't the new Alloytec (aka rattle tec )V6 that everyone seemed too have be raving on about when the VZ came out is actually 1980's techonolgy? and I hear there not all that good? (don't know for sure as I'm yet too drive a Commodore made after 1999)
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Re: I had too post this!!!
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Sun, 30 January 2005 10:13
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| smashed_wombat wrote on Sun, 30 January 2005 20:35 |
| mick wrote on Sun, 30 January 2005 02:14 |
Speaking of wheels, has there ever been a Toyota that has one car of the year?? My personal opinion is Toyota has a much better build then any Holden. Toyota's seem too last
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My car won the wheels sports car of the year in 1988! Ohhh yeah... Up against the Supra, RX-7, 300ZX etc. of the same vintage. I spose a FWD sports car was a novelty back then.
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well, theirs one good car that got the award then!! yeah they seem too all bag FWD now but, strange hey?
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Sun, 30 January 2005 11:20
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its a huge improvement over the dodgy 3.8ltr V6 which was a horrible thing all the ones that i have driven rattle like sh*t once u rev them over 4 grand.
The problem with holden is that they are cheap and to make things high tech they have to spend money. One of the main reasons they stuck with the old buick v6 for so long was that to have a quad cam they had to double the ammount of parts needed to build the engine i.e. 4 valves/valvesprings instead of 2
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Sun, 30 January 2005 11:24
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Bloody Holden 
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Re: I had too post this!!!
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Sun, 30 January 2005 11:43
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| smashed_wombat wrote on Sun, 30 January 2005 20:35 |
| mick wrote on Sun, 30 January 2005 02:14 |
Speaking of wheels, has there ever been a Toyota that has one car of the year?? My personal opinion is Toyota has a much better build then any Holden. Toyota's seem too last
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My car won the wheels sports car of the year in 1988! Ohhh yeah... Up against the Supra, RX-7, 300ZX etc. of the same vintage. I spose a FWD sports car was a novelty back then.
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Yep, wheels mag is a balls up.
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Re: I had too post this!!!
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Sun, 30 January 2005 12:49
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Hi,
| Bradelz wrote on Sun, 30 January 2005 19:43 |
Hey all,
About the Prius a britain tv show called top gear road tested one - apparently there sposed to go like shit, and the accelation is sposed to be poor. But there a good car if you wanna save money and the environment i'd have one for sure,
Cheers
Brad
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Yep, and the Golf diesel not only out performed the Prius in acceleration and top speed, but it also gave better mileage and was a lot cheaper to buy.
seeyuzz
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January 2004
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Re: I had too post this!!!
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Sun, 30 January 2005 12:58
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i liked the new car price's back in the 70-80's
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