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Sun, 27 October 2002 14:49
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Last week i purchased a Whiteline rear adjustable swaybar for my AE93 Seca. After discovering the only way i could remove the old one and install the new one was by removing the rear sector of the exhast, plus the fuel filler hose as well as the fuel tank straps, I found the link arms that dangle off the shocks have so much play, i'm struggling to see how the new swaybar could work. Can anyone help me here? is the adjustable one much better than the stock item? Is it worth the cost & effort? coz if it's not, i'll take it back. Thanks
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Mon, 28 October 2002 02:40
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Hey Julz..
I can help you .. but i'll take it off ur hands
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Mon, 28 October 2002 07:09
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No worries Troyboy! Sure, you can take the old swaybar. I'll even throw in the stock bushes for free 
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Sun, 03 November 2002 15:04
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Well this is all pretty fucking disappointing. What the hell has happened to Toymods, particularly the forums. It seems nowdays everyone here is clueless and knows more about why Ford uses Avalons (a car which I bet NOT ONE member of this forum owns) in their TV commercials than a genuine technical or modification query. I had a serious question and the only response I got was a smartass remark. Where are all the AE92 owners on this forum who've done suspension mods? The entire forum, especially general discussion has turned into a circus. Thank you Toymods - A club that really lives up to it's name. 
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Re: AE92 Rear Adjustable Swaybar - Does it make a Difference?
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Mon, 04 November 2002 00:57
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Thats a bit harsh dude ... Perhaps you would like it better if everyone who visited your thread and didnt know the answer, posted saying just that!? 
Perhaps the people who do know simply missed your thread? try doing a search on 86 owners and see if you can stirr up a new act in this circus.
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Re: AE92 Rear Adjustable Swaybar - Does it make a Difference?
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Mon, 04 November 2002 02:09
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Did you put the brass crush tubes in the bushes before you installed the end links???
My adjustable Whiteline bar has very little play now that I've installed it properly.
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Re: AE92 Rear Adjustable Swaybar - Does it make a Difference?
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Mon, 04 November 2002 02:45
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Esteban, I never implied that people should respond with "i don't know'" In fact I'd only prefer people who DID KNOW to reply. and if they did miss the thread, maybe it's because of the barrage of distracting, pointless and mindless threads on this forum. Oh there's no need to search to find a new act in the circus. aren't enough clowns and stooges here already?
Yeah Andrew, the part where the ends of the bar attach to are different on the ae82's & ae92's.
Joshstix, what are brass crush tubes? I haven't installed the bar yet but I'm wondering if it makes a substantial difference in the the AE92. With the swaybar I got 2 yellow eurethate bushes and 2 brackets plus a pouch of grease. do I need anything other parts? Thanks dude
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Mon, 04 November 2002 08:52
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Sorry dude I assumed you'd installed the Whiteline bar already. The bar I have came with it's own end links. They're different to most OEM links as they are a lenthg of steel rod that has been wrapped into a circle at each end with a buch through the circle. This end bush has a brass crush tube through it to stop you from tightening the bolts down too tight and binding the bush.
You might want to pick up some of these end links as well to go with your sway bar. With the bar I have I bought it off a member of hte forum but the links were too long because of the mount being moved on the coil over so I called the guys at Whiteline and asked about getting some shorter ones. They had a few different sizes and the guys were quite nice changing over my used ones that were missing the crush tubes for nice brand new ones with the crush tubes for $20.
On the question of does it make a difference, I've never installed a rear sway bar on an AE92 but every front wheel drive car I've driven that has had a rear bar added has handled hugely better than the stock example. As far as I can tell it's the best value suspension upgrade you can get for any front wheel drive. It even made the old puss bucket Telstar I had for a while a reasonably entertaining drive, admittedly that was with a huge bar that made it rather tail happy.
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Mon, 04 November 2002 10:19
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if your still having problems PM me and ill sort it out for you. i have had a whiteline ajustable one for about 4 years or so! think youll find my car is the one they where designed on. as it was the first one of its kind and it was done at there factory at minto.
mick
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Mon, 04 November 2002 10:47
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thanks heaps joshstix.
I will definately follow up on those end links. I never received end links bushes with the bar. On the box it said:
'It's common to use the original link bushes and hardware when replacing the bar'
I'll get in touch with Whiteline or MRT where I purchased the bar from. Interesting about the shorter ones. they'll be hooked up to Monroe GT Gas struts, hope they don't strain the shocks.
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Mon, 04 November 2002 11:02
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Joshstix;
Just curious to know if the addition of the rear swaybar will cause the backend to slide out easier?
My car currently has stock suspension, other than the strut tower brace that I added about a year ago. If I get to the limits the ass end lifts up and if I push it a little further I swear I feel it bouncing 
Thanks,
Julz; lemme know how you go, oh and how much did the bar cost?
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Re: AE92 Rear Adjustable Swaybar - Does it make a Difference?
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Tue, 05 November 2002 02:23
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Yes and no.
The setup of all front wheel drive cars is to understeer, a lot. This is due to the fact that there is so much weight over the front wheels and also it's a safer handling bias for the public to use.
Adding a bigger rear sway bar will increase rear roll stiffness and thereby increase front end grip. This will lead to a greater tendency to oversteer.
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Tue, 05 November 2002 02:53
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Inertia, the Whiteline adjustable rear swaybar for the AE92, (Part No. BTR31Z) cost me $204.55 including GST from MRT Performance. I still have to follow up on the bush links.
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Tue, 05 November 2002 08:27
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Hey man, with the posts, i agree with you completely, SOME PPL REALLY JUST DON'T WANT TO HELP, AND AMUSE THEMSELVES BY BEING ABSOLUTE WANKERS!
I have an ae93 seca sx (90model) and i recently installed a whiteline sway, non adjustable one.
let my just say my best mate has 900$ worth of suspension mods on his ae-86 and i can nail his ass round the corners!!!
All i got is lowered king springs on top. We installed ourselves, put a jack under the petrol tank then slowly lower it down with straps undone. took us a while, but YOU WONT BELIEVE THE DIFFERENCE
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Tue, 05 November 2002 08:44
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In terms of oversteer, its also unbelievable.
I can turn hard into a corner , get half way round, then before i know it, with no left foot braking, the back end is out.
This makes it so much easier to control then before
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Tue, 05 November 2002 09:40
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Hey guys, thanks for the responses. I might just get one of these sway bars...
Julz; Lemme know the part numbers for the brackets when you get them, as I know my car has done 170,000k's on original suspension gear!!!
Anyone know who makes bushing kits for the AE-92?
One other question. When I go over bumps there is a terrible rattle upfront... I have a sneaking suspicion it is to do with the steering gear but I have no idea.
When I wobble the wheel from side to side whilst sitting in the driveway there is a clunking/rattling noise. I am guessing this isn't normal! Anyone had a similar problem?
Cheers
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Tue, 05 November 2002 15:36
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thanks for the advice guys.
I already got lowered progressive King Springs and Monroe GT Gas shockes (about 1 year old) so it handles pretty sweet as is so I can't wait to bang this bar on. I'll let u know inertia about the bush links. The bar itself comes with the 2 bush brackets that bolt to the chassis. Bayka, how did u get the bar off without moving either the exhaust and/or the fuel tank hose? i tried wriggling it out withe the fuel tank straps off... Anyway, i'll give it to the mechanic to do while he does other stuff.
Once agan, thanks guys for being helpful. I'll let u know of my progress.
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Wed, 06 November 2002 05:06
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ok julz, im pretty sure the only major thing we had to do was undo the pipes connecting to the tank (ie petrol filler and air pressure one), then we put a jack under the tank, undid the straps holding it there and slowly lowered it enough to slide the sway bar in. I dont think we had to touch the exhaust at all. Its a bit fiddly but you should get it through.
But this is the important bit!! : as you have an AE-93 like me, you will probably have the same problem. when bolting the 2 brackets and bushes to the chassis, you will notice that the bracket does not fit quite flush against the chassis. This is major problem as you want it on tight.
When we were doing up the final bolt we ended up SHEARING IT!!! due to the extra stress placed on one side of it trying to tighten it on non flat surface. TRUST ME, YOU DON'T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN. It took us 7 hrs to get the rest of the old bolt on, then we had to drill and retap a new thread and use a new bolt. . . .not fun at all.
Good luck man, its unbelivable how much the car turns once its on though!!!
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Re: AE92 Rear Adjustable Swaybar - Does it make a Difference?
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Wed, 06 November 2002 06:40
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Ok, I checked out the Whiteline question forum and found the mention of polyeurethane bushes for the rear lateral arms. The part number is SPF823K and they cost $63 per kit. Is the trailing arm the short thing that connects between the bar and the strut assembly?
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Re: AE92 Rear Adjustable Swaybar - Does it make a Difference?
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Wed, 06 November 2002 06:52
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sorry can't help you with that man, put i can say, all you need is what you got.
sway bar, 2 polyeurethan bushes, and 2 brackets
Thats all im using
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Re: AE92 Rear Adjustable Swaybar - Does it make a Difference?
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Wed, 06 November 2002 07:59
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bayka:
Can you please list the part number of the bushes, their cost?
Unless Julz found the correct info on the forums...
Which bushings did you replace with the new ones?
The brackets you speak of came with the bar like Julz has right?
Thanks bro.
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Re: AE92 Rear Adjustable Swaybar - Does it make a Difference?
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Wed, 06 November 2002 08:48
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Cool, thanks Bayka
Inertia, The bushes come with the bar.
The whiteline website is pretty comprehensive and has a good catalogue in PDF format to download. I personally found purchasing through Whiteline expensive. better to order your parts through a Whiteline reseller like MRT.
The part number on the bush/bracket kit alone is TR31Z because they've written it on the bag. Just to be safe, make it clear you don't want the swaybar kit, just the bushes. I don't know it the diameter of the hole is the same as the stock bar though. I would think the Whiteline item is thicker.
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Re: AE92 Rear Adjustable Swaybar - Does it make a Difference?
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Wed, 06 November 2002 11:22
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Inertia,
Why don't you save your money or aren't you getting an MA61 now? 
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Re: AE92 Rear Adjustable Swaybar - Does it make a Difference?
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Wed, 06 November 2002 13:07
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inertia : my suspension has done 180 000, ive still got the stock dampers but new king springs. If i were you i would DEFINATELY go springs FIRST, then sway bar.
I am already noticing some REALLY bad sounding clunks and clangs ever since iv put the sway in. Im asuming this is the rest of the suspension not being able to hold its own anymore
Does anyone have any educated guesses on the first things for me to look for to fix?? (ie bushes, don't know that much about then all)
Cheers
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Thu, 07 November 2002 09:05
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No MA61 till I have the money to do it right!
Bayka: I won't be doing springs till I can do the struts as well.
I just don't wanna foot the bill for Struts/Springs/Bushes/Bars in one massive hit that empties my coffars...
I have alot of odd creaks, groans and pops. I know the back springs sound like they pop out of the cups.
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