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Scotts Hydraulic suspension conversion - QLD
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Mon, 28 October 2002 05:43
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Hey guys,
just a short note as I'm not on the forums all the time.
But I have some early pics of my install to my celica of my hydraulic suspension.
The "frame*.jpg" pics.. found at:
http://www.steeko.4t.com
the pic of the celica with wide wire wheels is not my exact car, just the same shape, i'll be getting much skinner wheels for them to go into the fender wells when I ride it lowered.
The install is just about complete, I'm painting things at the moment and making it look pretty.
My setup is 2 hydro pumps via 10 switches.
I'll have some pics of my girlfriends ma61 soon aswell 
Any questions, just holla!..
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Sydney
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July 2002
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Re: Scotts Hydraulic suspension conversion - QLD
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Mon, 28 October 2002 06:02
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Does Hydraulic suspension hadle well or is it just for show?
I saw a blue Hilux ute with the numberplate LOWLUX and a crapload of chrome yesterday. It had hydraulic suspension. Was gonna go ask if he was part of toymods ... I need cards to hand out.
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Re: Scotts Hydraulic suspension conversion - QLD
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Tue, 29 October 2002 02:52
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Hey Pete,
contrary to popular belief it can and will handle very well.
Depends on wot sort of hydraulic suspension, as they can be installed in an infinite amount of ways, but without shox it duz tend to be more bouncy. My celica handles great - almost exactly the same as before when i had lowered springs and new shox.
I do have added weight so I wouldn't throw it around corners as much, some jap guys put in 1 pump and 2 little batteries, and this works fine, they still get the performance and the height adjustment, and shock absorbtion through "accumulators" which audi's and citreons use in their hydraulic suspension.
I haven't seen lowlux, dno if it has hydros',, are you sure?
alot of minitrucks use airbags which is height adjustable suspension, you can usually tell if it has hydros if the car raises really quickly, also the car should jiggle a little when raised up.
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Adelaide and Queenstown T...
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September 2002
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Newcastle
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September 2002
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Tue, 29 October 2002 07:18
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About how much extra weight does Hydralic suspension add to your car? As that is one of my concrens, And how hard is it to fit? Ive been toying with the idea of hydralics for a while now  , but i havent found anyone with it to ask these sort of questions.
Will your car still handle well at high speeds?
About how much did your setup cost?thats if you want to tell me
any help would be graetly appreacated
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SE. Melbourne
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August 2002
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Re: Scotts Hydraulic suspension conversion - QLD
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Tue, 29 October 2002 12:20
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Howdie,
LowLux is a part of melbccr.com a melbourne cruizing group..
he does have hydrolics, and I believe that for cost to get them is about 5 grand.. but dont quote me on this..
check out Melbccr for heaps of info.
-Shaun.
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Re: Scotts Hydraulic suspension conversion - QLD
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Tue, 29 October 2002 14:18
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My mate has a LoLux and he was quoted 6 to 6.5 grand for Airbag suspension from Aussie sport trucks (in sydney i think, maybe melbourne, eh same diff). Airbags are supposed to handle a lot better than hydros, but hydros will bounce the car a hella lot higher, i dont think the air bags can do much more than a few inches.
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Newcastle
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September 2002
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Re: Scotts Hydraulic suspension conversion - QLD
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Tue, 29 October 2002 14:23
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is the prices fitted or not? i can get airbags fitted from aussie sporttrucks for about $6-$7000. i think i would be able to fit hydros myself so i only need the rough price for them supplied!
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New Zealand
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May 2002
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Tue, 29 October 2002 20:37
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Airbags are a similar amount of work to hydraulics, maybe less. Look at some american websites, a lot of places have kits for hilux's with pre made c-notches, chassis plates, brackets etc. Tends to be a heap more model specific stuff with airbags whereas hydraulics are a much more variable install so less kits made.
The kits aren't that expensive and won't cost too much to freight.
have a look at this site.
http://www.usagiyojimbo.com/airup/
There is a heap of info there on airbags.
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Re: Scotts Hydraulic suspension conversion - QLD
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Tue, 29 October 2002 23:48
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sweet, i'd luv to check out his minitruck then, as you say there's no one around who has done it before, so it's hard to get info on it in Australia. Airbags can "handle" better to a degree, for a large chevy .. i wouldn't say so cuz the body roll on bags even with individual electronic valves is still there.
Hydros is just ruff if not setup right, mine however is almost no difference in ride quality as my celica is very light and nimble. I've seen the price for airbags and they're ok, but $7000 ??? that's more than what my car is worth! I'd prefer to buy the hydraulics and install them myself. Again yes hydraulics will be faster and hop higher, but air is more reliable comfortable. My kit was a competition kit $1360 US with hopping coils and pivot balls (for IRS). I got a hella cheap hook up on the shipping through a melbourne importer, the kit to my door was about AUS $ 3360 weighs about 80kg.
I'm running 4 very large batteries at 48v to power my setup,
but I could have just put 2 in for weight purposes, my complete kit installed will add around 180 to 200 KG, even more if i add more batteries, if you wanna save weight, get a "minipump" or "europump" which runs all 4 rams off one pump and you can use 1 or 2 batteries, the weight will only add around 30 to 45KG depending. I got my gear from www.prohopper.com and my kit is the "Euro - chrome competition kit, US $1199".
The fit to my celica was a learning experience lets say that much, cuz of the IRS,, but i'm very confident now I've learnt how to do it, i'd like to install them on some more cars, keep in mind reinforcing is necessary if you wanna hop off the ground.
At high speeds the hydros are fine, some guys in the states do race on hydraulics , street races, but i wouldn't recommend it, anything over 140/160 KMH i just wouldn't feel safe.. imagine if you bumped a switch and got out of control,,, u would be dead..
The newer airbags I've seen have triple convoluted bags and give 8 to 10inches of travel which is pretty good, it just wasnt' fast enough for me and i hate the air sound it makes when it dumps.
$7000 for airbags should be fitted, else that's a rip off price.
The kit alone should only be around 3 or 4 grand for the bags, lines, switches, valves, air tanks etc.. And install the bags yourself then you'll know the system and wont have to take it somewhere to be fixed if it stuffs up.
By the way, i'm a member of Australia's largest national lowrider club, unity lowrider car club. We'll be meeting up in Sydney in 2 weeks time (same weekend as final autosalon) if anyone wants to check us out at parramatta park, just look for the bouncing cars with gold plaques in the back windows.
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September 2002
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Re: Scotts Hydraulic suspension conversion - QLD
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Wed, 30 October 2002 06:54
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the price of $7000 was fitted! It is for an ET pulsar so there is no off the shelf kit. I also dont like how slow air bags can be  . that is why ive been lookin into hydros .
I will be going down to the Autosalon, so i will try and make it out to see you guys in action  . Do you know DR HOP? ive seen him around Newcastle but have never had the chance to stop and talk to him.
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Eskilstuna, Sweden
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May 2002
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Re: Scotts Hydraulic suspension conversion - QLD
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Wed, 30 October 2002 13:02
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Flipping the switch at 140, it would be good to see.........like a lowrider crusty video!
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adelaide
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Re: Scotts Hydraulic suspension conversion - QLD
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Thu, 31 October 2002 01:24
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i was under the impression that hydolyics were illegal in aus.
can anyone clarify this for me, as this is the reason why i havent looked into getting a set.
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Re: Scotts Hydraulic suspension conversion - QLD
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Fri, 01 November 2002 02:50
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mm yeah illegal to a point, you can get it engineered,
but i wouldn't worry about it. As long as you're not doing stupid things on the road, you'll be fine.
I have a friend in Sydney who is looking at getting his engineered, just remember you have to run shox all round for it to pass. I have heard of DrHop but haven't met him, would like to see his ride.
Hey PSI would be great if you could make it, anyone is welcome to come and check it out, it's on the Saturday of the final battle autosalon.. as for 7 G for the pulsar, that's a hella inflated price, no airbag kit is really for any specific car.
They have varied sizings and you could definately find a kit with suitable bags for your pulsar. With the struts you'll need a pivot bearing so the bag doesn't tear like they did in the early days. Burnincustoms on the gold coast make strut bag setups no worries and it definately wont cost you 7 grand.
For the price tho' man, just get hydros, get a street kit would do fine, $850 US would do it,, not that expensive really.
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Re: Scotts Hydraulic suspension conversion - QLD
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Tue, 05 November 2002 03:28
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If any of you QLDers are out and about this weekend.
I'll be cruising on the switches, probably just around the city and Harry's on Friday and Saturday nights if anyone wanted to have a look at the setup.
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Re: Scotts Hydraulic suspension conversion - QLD
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Tue, 05 November 2002 03:36
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steeko: Do you have the no. for Burnincustoms? and do they do hydros aswell?
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Re: Scotts Hydraulic suspension conversion - QLD
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Wed, 06 November 2002 05:23
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Hey PSI..
burnin customs homepage:
http://www.burnincustoms.com/
Telephone 07 5571 1138
Postal address :
Factory 3 Maid Street Southport Qld 4215 Australia
Electronic mail
General enquiries: info@burnincustoms.com
Sales information: sales@burnincustoms.com
Customer service: service@burnincustoms.com
Facsimile 07 5571 1194 (fax only)
I'm 100% sure they dont do hydros as I've already asked them.
They're strictly bags, also cuz air is totally different from hydros.. Would be good to get a price from them i guess.
Else just buy some hydros and i'll help u put em on..
U in NSW right?
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Re: Scotts Hydraulic suspension conversion - QLD
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Wed, 06 November 2002 09:33
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Else just buy some hydros and i'll help u put em on..
U in NSW right?
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Thanks for the info steeko
im in NSW, about 2 hrs north of sydney!
When it comes time for me to fit hydro's i will let you know!
i will be looking at getting them in about 6 months
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Re: Scotts Hydraulic suspension conversion - QLD
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Thu, 07 November 2002 00:27
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No Message Body
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Re: Scotts Hydraulic suspension conversion - QLD
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Thu, 07 November 2002 00:34
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Ok,, no worries, here's the guy to get them from in OZ:
Brad Peachey
big_pimpin_impala@yahoo.com.au
He's in my lowrider club and knows all things hydraulics, he even works at a hydraulic parts and maintenance place. He can hook u up with the right kit you need and advice etc, I can also give you as much knowledge as I can give on the subject.
Brad gets "Showtime" gear from the states which is a very good product and one of the states biggest "lowrider" product manufacturer. Just remember it takes about 3 months for the gear to come across the ocean Do you have struts all round on your car? if so you'll need some reverse flow cylinders.. btw, Brad is in Sydney and could probably help you out fitting it too,
he's got a 63 impala. Can get wire wheels, chain steering wheels etc too if you want them. At the end of the day i think Brad is the best guy to have around for the hydraulics as that's wot he duz each day.
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Re: Scotts Hydraulic suspension conversion - QLD
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Thu, 06 February 2003 05:18
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Finally got the webpage going..
http://www.geocities.com/unitylowridercc
under members Rides - is my car "Scott - 83 Celica"
check it out,, still an experiment but lots of fun.
Even got some AVI's on there (4MB Each)..
anyone have a tool to convert AVI to MPEG?
Will be at Cleveland Car show this Sunday at Cleveland in QLD.. is east side!
peace
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