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Celica_John
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starter to alternator wire size Thu, 10 February 2005 21:42 Go to next message
Hey I am trying to figure out why my battery only charges at 13v when the car's running. (It's probably just voltage drop but I still want to try and get it up a bit more) The battery's mounted in the boot and I have 2 fat earth wires (one connecting to chassis at front of car and one at back). Then I have one fat positive wire going to the starter battery.

I was just wondering what size wire should I get from the alternator to the starter motor?

[Updated on: Fri, 11 February 2005 00:19]

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Re: starter to alternator wire size Fri, 11 February 2005 03:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message

um....

that just doesnt seem quite right, an alternator
wire to your starter motor?
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Re: starter to alternator wire size Fri, 11 February 2005 03:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Currently it has a wire from battery to starter then from starter to alternator. I have no doubt it's right.
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Re: starter to alternator wire size Fri, 11 February 2005 04:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Why would it go from the starter to the alternator????
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Re: starter to alternator wire size Fri, 11 February 2005 04:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
so it can use the wire from the battery to starter to charge the battery.
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Re: starter to alternator wire size Fri, 11 February 2005 04:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Yeah thats how mine is done. Saves running another wire back to the battery / or distribution block.

I put some pretty thick around 4g wire I think?

Factory the alternator charging wire is pretty thin though.

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Re: starter to alternator wire size Fri, 11 February 2005 04:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Is that 13volts at idle? or 13volts at 2000+rpm?

Also, make sure you have an uber earth from the block to the chassis.


I have 2 x 4guage from the battery to the chassis at the rear, and 2 x 4guage from the block to the chassis, and 2 x 8 guage from the heads to the chassis.

I only have a single 4 guage from the battery to the starter, and its fine.
Turns over a 8cyl @ 10:1 compression no probs, but it is 550cca...
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Re: starter to alternator wire size Fri, 11 February 2005 05:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jason wrote on Fri, 11 February 2005 15:20

Why would it go from the starter to the alternator????

because the starter motor has a fat wire permanently connected to the battery.. it is the way many factory cars are designed.


just use cable rated to above your alternators max output..
i use 8 gauge for my 60amp alt, going straight to battery... 4 gauge is overkill, but overkill is good Smile
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Re: starter to alternator wire size Fri, 11 February 2005 05:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dont forget to put a fuse in line with the alternator wire.
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Re: starter to alternator wire size Fri, 11 February 2005 05:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
CrUZsida wrote on Fri, 11 February 2005 16:30

Dont forget to put a fuse in line with the alternator wire.


oops.... Wink
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Re: starter to alternator wire size Fri, 11 February 2005 06:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
you dont really need a fuse from alternator to starter pos

my local electrician says its not needed

i have 8mm 100 amp wire in stock for when i wire up engines

most alternators put out 65 or 75 amps so 100 is ok

if tyhey have bigger alternators i run 125 amp wire

if u need some meet up with me and ill cut u a length

if the engine is a jap im[port then the voltage output should be aorund 14 to 14.5 v

jap imports tend to run bit highe rthan aussie cars which tend to run about 13 to 13.5

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Re: starter to alternator wire size Fri, 11 February 2005 08:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Is it reading 13v at the battery or the alternator. If it's at the battery then check the voltage at the alternator as well. If there is a difference of more than say 0.5v then it will be voltage drop. If it is reading 13v at the alternator then check the current output from the alternator. If the battery is a bit flat it may charge at low voltage and high current and as the battery gets more charge the voltage will increase.

As for cable size, overkill is your friend Very Happy

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Re: starter to alternator wire size Fri, 11 February 2005 13:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Does your alternator have a 'sense' wire? If so, where is this connected to? And there's nothing wrong with using nice fat wire for all major electrical items.
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Re: starter to alternator wire size Fri, 11 February 2005 13:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
r u getting flat batteries? if not then go by the old addage "if its not broke dont fix it"..13V charging is a little on the low side but if the car is fine dont worry about it.....unless your the perfectionist type...
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Re: starter to alternator wire size Sun, 13 February 2005 21:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hey thanks for your help. Yes I was getting flat batterys if i didn't drive it for a while. I changed the wire to something a lot fatter (probably 4 gauge) and it worked!! now I'm getting 14.1v at the battery when the cars running! I think half my problem was that the old wire was 3 wire joined together by crimps. I think the person that did the wiring used a kit or something and had to extend that wire.

Anyways I'm happy now! Cool

Now I just need to figure out how to connect my battery light. At the moment it's just a relay and light that's mounted in the engine bay. If the alternator (which also drives the water pump) belt snaps when my girlfriend's driving she'd see a red light before she looks at the temperature gauge.
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Re: starter to alternator wire size Mon, 14 February 2005 15:40 Go to previous message
What IF its not the size of the wire that is causing the problem?
Check your alternator probably need new brush
or worst rebuild or replacement.

just my opinion.

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