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mr_corolla
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icon5.gif  help please 20v timeing Sun, 13 February 2005 07:40 Go to next message
hey guys whats the 20v timing my one set on 0 degrees is that the right one or no???
any one please knows a bout it pm me please
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Re: help please 20v timeing Sun, 13 February 2005 21:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Connect TE1 and E1 on the diagnostics plug, then set timing for 10deg BTDC. Remove wire connecting TE1 and E1.

You will then probably find the timing to be around 15deg BTDC.

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Re: help please 20v timeing Sun, 13 February 2005 22:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
are u sure bro cuz my one set on 0 and runs bit ruff any one asl have any idea thanks ??
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Re: help please 20v timeing Sun, 13 February 2005 22:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
tobyoste wrote on Mon, 14 February 2005 08:54

Connect TE1 and E1 on the diagnostics plug, then set timing for 10deg BTDC. Remove wire connecting TE1 and E1.

You will then probably find the timing to be around 15deg BTDC.

Toby


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Mr Revhead
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Re: help please 20v timeing Sun, 13 February 2005 23:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
what fuel are you going to use?
we have crap 96 here, and these have been shown to run a little better when set to 8 deg.
as these are made for 100 octane the knock sensore is kicking in on 96. so its better to lose 2 deg on initial setting rather than the 4-6 the knock sensor pulls pff it.
just a thought
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Re: help please 20v timeing Mon, 14 February 2005 01:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
According to the 20v Blacktop Manual (see section on ignition timing at http://www.onthenet.com.au/~paulp/Blacktop/bt4-em. pdf), the timing is 10deg BTDC. My silver top is set to this and it runs well.

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Re: help please 20v timeing Mon, 14 February 2005 11:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
bro humm i dont really dont know which one to do so what is the right answer please 15 or 10 or 8 or 12 hurmm ??? Crying or Very Sad and whats umm TE1 and E1 ?? any
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Re: help please 20v timeing Mon, 14 February 2005 21:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
There should be a diagnostics plug near the air flow meter (or attached to the wiring loom near where the wires connecting to the AFM is). Open the lid and you will see a number of points to connect a multimeter or other diagnostics tool to see what is going on with the ECU etc. This is where you connect the E1 and TE1 (use a paper clip or something). You can see what pins are what as they are printed on the inside of the lid of the diagnostics plug. If your car was wired up properly, you should hear the idle change slightly when you first connect these pins. Go to the website I posted on my earlier reply for more info on the engine (check out the other chapters too).

I've used 10deg BTDC and I run Optimax (98RON) but I must admit, it can occaisionly knock when taking off on a really steep hill if I don't get the revs right (lazy in traffic, etc.) but mostly its fine. Perhaps setting it at 8deg may be better as Mr Revhead suggests, but certainly 0deg is too far retarded.

If you don't get the idle to change when you bridge TE1 and E1, you may not have the diagnostics plug wired in properly. If you're keen, you could temporarily connect them at the ECU plug (but make sure you confirm what pins these are at the ECU - remove the ECU lid and check against what's written on the ECU printed circuit board).
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Re: help please 20v timeing Mon, 14 February 2005 21:44 Go to previous message
just to clarify my statement from before...

our fuel here in nz is rated at 96 octane. but its of a rather crap quality.... so its been found here that blacktops run a little better when set to 8 degrees. i will be setting my silvertop to this this week. if you use a higher octane fuel there then 10deg will probably be better.
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