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Coilover Sleeve KITS
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Mon, 14 February 2005 15:38
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Anyone here tried these SLEEVE KITS type coilovers ? Are they any good,maybe as good as a full threded body type ?
Any good or bad reviews ?
Please your thoughts and input.
Cheers
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Mon, 14 February 2005 15:58
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If they are made and installed properly, there should be no difference at all between the kits and the full coilover struts.
Ill probably be ordering a sleeve kit from importbitz for my RT132 struts shortly 
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Mon, 14 February 2005 16:05
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OH goody..not to mention cheaper ?
Please..more input...NEED INPUT 
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Mon, 14 February 2005 20:46
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| M.W.P. wrote on Tue, 15 February 2005 02:28 |
Ill probably be ordering a sleeve kit from importbitz for my RT132 struts shortly
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Didn't notice the kits on their site ?
What is the price ?
Maybe can order two and save on postage since you are in Adelaide ?
Cheers
Michael B
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Mon, 14 February 2005 22:17
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price of sleeve kits i think was 275 + postage of 10 bucks (to adelaide) i asked only last week.
Hey BBaacchhyy are you sensing group buy?
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Mon, 14 February 2005 22:41
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Possibly, but what is included ?
I don't need springs as I already have them. From memory, Fulcrum wanted $80 for the pair of sleeves, another $80 for the top hats, and something for the spanner. May ring and recheck.
Cheers
Michael B
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Re: Coilover Sleeve KITS
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Mon, 14 February 2005 22:43
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Be aware that there are 2 types of kit - ones with steel sleeves, that you have welded on, and ones with aluminium sleeves, which you have to get a steel ring made up and welded on, and then the sleeve sits on top of.
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Re: Coilover Sleeve KITS
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Mon, 14 February 2005 22:50
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OK, from Fulcrum, the alloy sleeves (with 2 nuts) are $55 ea, the top caps are $55 ea, and the spanner is $17.
With freight of $15 to Adelaide, the total cost is about $252 without springs.
Cheers
Michael B
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Mon, 14 February 2005 23:03
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Or you could do what i did and get the T3 upper hats which are FAR superior to the crappy Fulcrum ones. They are around $80 delivered, depending on the current exchange rate.
Also the fulcrum ones need to be machined out slightly on the inside to fit sprinter/*T13* struts.
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Mon, 14 February 2005 23:03
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awaiting response from importbitz to find out what is with the kit
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Mon, 14 February 2005 23:11
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Check with Noltec as well. Toymods gets a 25%discount.
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Mon, 14 February 2005 23:16
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| takai wrote on Tue, 15 February 2005 09:33 |
Or you could do what i did and get the T3 upper hats which are FAR superior to the crappy Fulcrum ones. They are around $80 delivered, depending on the current exchange rate.
Also the fulcrum ones need to be machined out slightly on the inside to fit sprinter/*T13* struts.
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Yes, I saw the pics after a search and noticed that they come with a flat bearing, so will probably go with those - at AUS $80, they are cheaper than the Fulcrum ones as well.
Will try Noltec
Cheers
Michael B
EDIT :
Spoke to Noltec, and their list price for their Kits is $470, and member price is $400, but note the sleeves are steel, not alloy.
http://www.noltec.com.au/coil-over-suspension-syst ems.php
For Adelaide people, their local distributor is Cartorque (Ph. 8362 7667) and their price price (for the 51mm ID kit) is $330 incl GST.
Didn't pressure for a better price at this stage
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Tue, 15 February 2005 02:44
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ok importbitz kit includes:
"there are two steel sleeves, threaded, two alloy top hats, two threaded lower seats and two threaded lock rings"
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Re: Coilover Sleeve KITS
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Tue, 15 February 2005 02:53
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For those who are getting aluminium sleeve kits... anyone care to get a mini-group buy happening on the steel rings that have to be made up and welded to the strut for the sleeves to sit on?
This is one part that never comes in kits, and the outside (2"? )diametre of all xA6xs, xA4xs, xA2xs and AE86 struts is the same (proabaly all rwd celica/supra/corolla/corona etc are) so it would be applicable to a lot of toymodders.
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Re: Coilover Sleeve KITS
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Tue, 15 February 2005 03:01
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| bbaacchhyy wrote on Tue, 15 February 2005 09:46 |
Spoke to Noltec, and their list price for their Kits is $470, and member price is $400, but note the sleeves are steel, not alloy.
For Adelaide people, their local distributor is Cartorque (Ph. 8362 7667) and their price price (for the 51mm ID kit) is $330 incl GST.
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Cartorque is selling the Noltec kit for less than Noltec does?
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Tue, 15 February 2005 03:18
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ok why would the alloy ones be preferred over the steel sleeve kit and please don't say it is a weight issue.
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Tue, 15 February 2005 03:54
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ok why would the alloy ones be preferred over the steel sleeve kit and please don't say it is a weight issue
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Yeah exactly, why would use alloy? its just more work.
I have steel ones and was all too easy to slide them on and weld.
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Tue, 15 February 2005 04:03
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| TurboRA28 wrote on Tue, 15 February 2005 14:24 |
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ok why would the alloy ones be preferred over the steel sleeve kit and please don't say it is a weight issue
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Yeah exactly, why would use alloy? its just more work.
I have steel ones and was all too easy to slide them on and weld.
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Alloy can be anodised all sorts of colours, therefore look more swanky.
I can easily organise a set of steel rings for those with the alloy ones, I'd just need to ID of the struts that people require them for, as well as an indication of what people would pay ?
From the correspondence above, it seems that the best alloy setup is the sleeves + spanners from Fulcrum, top hats from T3, and custom steel rings, and for the steel setup would be from Cartorque (for the Adelaide people).
Probably they (cartorque) can sell it for less due to their commercial agreement with Fulcrum, and it depends on their markup.
Another option to replace the steel ring for the alloy sleeves was to use the "U" part of an exhaust U Band clamp (slightly dodgy and not the prettiest, but it works).
If I were to start organising something like this, who would be interesetd in what option ? Please state alloy or steel and where you are located, and of course qty.
If sufficient replies were rec'd, I'd approach the board for permission, and then take it from there
Cheers
Michael B
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Tue, 15 February 2005 04:13
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| barned01 wrote on Tue, 15 February 2005 13:14 |
ok importbitz kit includes:
"there are two steel sleeves, threaded, two alloy top hats, two threaded lower seats and two threaded lock rings"
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Can you get pics at all so we can compare apples with apples ?
Do you get an adjsuting spanner ?
Are the threaded saets/rings steel or alloy ?
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Re: Coilover Sleeve KITS
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Tue, 15 February 2005 05:34
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Yesss pics plenty of pics...for Old Schooler toyotas like my GX60..i know pretty much how the front will be made up.I've seen it on the net..but the rear shocks..You know like KE 70/GX60/AE86..i still can't picture how it'll work ?
cheers all
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Tue, 15 February 2005 05:42
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| bbaacchhyy wrote on Tue, 15 February 2005 15:03 |
| TurboRA28 wrote on Tue, 15 February 2005 14:24 |
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ok why would the alloy ones be preferred over the steel sleeve kit and please don't say it is a weight issue
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Yeah exactly, why would use alloy? its just more work.
I have steel ones and was all too easy to slide them on and weld.
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Alloy can be anodised all sorts of colours, therefore look more swanky.
I can easily organise a set of steel rings for those with the alloy ones, I'd just need to ID of the struts that people require them for, as well as an indication of what people would pay ?
From the correspondence above, it seems that the best alloy setup is the sleeves + spanners from Fulcrum, top hats from T3, and custom steel rings, and for the steel setup would be from Cartorque (for the Adelaide people).
Probably they (cartorque) can sell it for less due to their commercial agreement with Fulcrum, and it depends on their markup.
Another option to replace the steel ring for the alloy sleeves was to use the "U" part of an exhaust U Band clamp (slightly dodgy and not the prettiest, but it works).
If I were to start organising something like this, who would be interesetd in what option ? Please state alloy or steel and where you are located, and of course qty.
If sufficient replies were rec'd, I'd approach the board for permission, and then take it from there
Cheers
Michael B
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I don't care whether it's alloy or steel... whatever kit ends up being the best kit at the best price, factoring in the extra $$ needed for the rings for the alloy kits. Most people probably feel the same. I seem to remember being told that alum sleeves, if anodised, have tougher threads. Another thing to consider is the ring - if a long sleeve, would probably need to be a d-shape to clear wheels etc (unless of course the ring isn't very thick).
I was going to buy my set from the states, an alum sleeve kit like the ground control ones which is decent civic kit that only needs the top had drilling out a little wider. Same strut ID as our cars - 2".
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Tue, 15 February 2005 06:40
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Well i think M.W.P will beat me to it to find that out  (pictures, the spanner and the rings)
Yeah i haven't worked out how to do adjustable everything for the back yet either Dispatcher...one step at a time.
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Re: Coilover Sleeve KITS
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Tue, 15 February 2005 08:31
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Point taken barned01...will do the front and then the back...
Anyone else heard of this Sleeves..failing..I.e. fatigue..cracks etc...
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Tue, 15 February 2005 09:01
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For the rear setup, you can get slip on sleeves as used in some speedway cars. Worth investigating, will need to reinforce shock mounts though.
Callum
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Re: Coilover Sleeve KITS
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Tue, 15 February 2005 09:17
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Do you have anymore pictures of the camber tops? I have some Kmacs but i'm trying to figure out if I should get others 
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Tue, 15 February 2005 11:02
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Hey Purple Beasty..thanks for the info..i'm ignorant about speedways car setups...I just can't picture it in my head any pics available ? ..on the net maybe ?
Cheers
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Tue, 15 February 2005 20:44
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Thanks for the pics and details takai.
How long ago did you get the spring tops ?
Cheers
Michael B
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Tue, 15 February 2005 21:54
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I got the tops about 10 months ago from T3, but didnt get to use them until September.
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Tue, 15 February 2005 22:52
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Ok i'll bite. Who/where is T3?
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Re: Coilover Sleeve KITS
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Wed, 16 February 2005 00:13
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If I was using them (which I may do) I would ditch the grub screw and get a second nut.
Callum
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Wed, 16 February 2005 00:23
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| Purple_Beasty wrote on Wed, 16 February 2005 10:43 |
If I was using them (which I may do) I would ditch the grub screw and get a second nut.
Callum
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I'd be interested in the price of them if that option is available.
Keep me posted please
Cheers
Michael B
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Wed, 16 February 2005 03:40
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FWIW I believe they are QA1 items.
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Wed, 16 February 2005 03:49
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| Stefan wrote on Wed, 16 February 2005 14:10 |
FWIW I believe they are QA1 items.
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They are, and I'm waiting on confirmation of price including an extra sleeve.
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Thu, 17 February 2005 01:52
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FWIW, I just emailed importbitz - the sleeve kit is $299. It includes:
2 x steel threaded sleeves in diameter of choice
2 x alloy top hats
2 x adjustable spring perchs
2 x adjustable lock rings
2 x C spanners can be bought as an option for additional $44pr
Apparently is Koni.
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Thu, 17 February 2005 07:03
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More info from importbitz:
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Sleeve inside diameters come in the sizes below:
55mm, 2.125", 2", 50mm, 48mm
These can be supplied with spring seats to suit 60, 63 or 65mm springs and have a tube length of 120mm.
They are also available the following ID sizes which have a tube ength of 75mm and suit 53mm and 57mm springs.
The 45mm also comes with a tube length or 90mm to suit 60mm springs.
45mm, 42.2mm, 43mm, 41mm
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Thu, 17 February 2005 20:35
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| i2obert wrote on Fri, 18 February 2005 06:56 |
so how do these work ???? do you weld the sleve to your standed or aftermarket shock ?? and there you go type thing ??
and they should fit any car ??? mx83 cressida im looking for becouse it seems all we can get as of coilovers is jzx81 shocks so this whould be good for me and other cressie drivers
and do you think there whould be ways to get short stroke ones bah good one guys i want these now
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WTF ? The only question I could decipher was the first one.
Look at the links provided by Takai and it should make sense.
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Fri, 18 February 2005 00:27
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| i2obert wrote on Fri, 18 February 2005 07:26 |
so how do these work ???? do you weld the sleve to your standed or aftermarket shock ?? and there you go type thing ??
and they should fit any car ??? mx83 cressida im looking for becouse it seems all we can get as of coilovers is jzx81 shocks so this whould be good for me and other cressie drivers
and do you think there whould be ways to get short stroke ones bah good one guys i want these now
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Don't take this the wrong way... but if you don't know the difference between a "shock" and a strut, I don't think you should be attempting a DIY coilover conversion. Do some reading.
The more I've been thinking about this, the more I'm thinking steel sleevs are a much better way to go - so I'm definetly up for a group buy.
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Fri, 18 February 2005 08:51
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I'm in for a group buy.
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Fri, 18 February 2005 10:09
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Whats the most common coilover spring size (ID)?
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Fri, 18 February 2005 10:40
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sorry about that post as you see it was very early in the morning ?? i do know the difrence between them just was tierd and in a rush sorry once again can these be made with difrent springrates and so on as i whouldt mind somthing that whould replicate the kai office coilovers for a jzx81
and spoke to a guy at work who has these on his clubman car he said just have to watch out what struts you use with these as some of them screw up at the bottom when the bar hits them over and over agian peaces the bottom after a while
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Fri, 18 February 2005 12:43
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Do the cusco tops have any kind of shock absorbing in them?
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Fri, 18 February 2005 14:38
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Bathurst-91 - what brand is the sleeve kit in the pics? Or was it bought pre-assembled?
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Sat, 19 February 2005 06:48
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any pictures of the fulcrum kits?
they seem to be the cheapest out there!
I would also be in the group buy
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Sun, 20 February 2005 12:51
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Bump - perhaps we could organise a group buy with Importbitz? I believe most rwd toys would use exactly the same sleeve - 2". They are a toymods sponsor.
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Mon, 21 February 2005 02:01
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| bbaacchhyy wrote on Mon, 21 February 2005 07:52 |
| Stefan wrote on Sun, 20 February 2005 23:21 |
Bump - perhaps we could organise a group buy with Importbitz? I believe most rwd toys would use exactly the same sleeve - 2". They are a toymods sponsor.
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3 people have responded/shown interst, and personally, I'd be after an alloy kit.
Since you are more interested in the steel option Stefan, why not pass an email after a price for 5 + kits
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Will do.
Apart from price, why would you prefer alloy over steel? You have to get rings made up, and then have the issue of metal rubbing on metal (most alloy kits come with lots of rubber o-rings to combat this), wheras a steel kit is weld on and no worries.
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Mon, 21 February 2005 02:10
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| Stefan wrote on Mon, 21 February 2005 12:31 |
Will do.
Apart from price, why would you prefer alloy over steel? You have to get rings made up, and then have the issue of metal rubbing on metal (most alloy kits come with lots of rubber o-rings to combat this), wheras a steel kit is weld on and no worries.
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Slight bling factor, cost and I can access machining services easy.
Metal rubbing is not an issue if you get the right size. The o-rings are only supplied in generic kits so they make only one size.
At the very least, the sleeve should almost be a shrink fit onto the strut tube.
That said, I'd be interested to see what the final price from John is (including a spanner)
Cheers
Michael B
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Mon, 21 February 2005 04:16
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Here' you go:
1-4 $290
5-9 $275
10+ $260
postage australia wide via express bag is $9.50
I'll ask again about the spanners.
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Mon, 21 February 2005 04:42
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As a summary : (based on single units)
Fulcrum : $237 + postage (alloy sleeves, 2 locknuts per sleeve, 2 spanners, 2 top hats)
Fulcrum + T3 : $210 + postage (alloy sleeves, 2 locknuts per sleeve, 2 spanners, 2 T3 top hats (waiting on confirmation from T3 on price of hats))
Import Bitz : $334 + postage (steel sleeves, 2 locknuts per sleeve, 2 (?) spanners, 2 top hats)
Cardwells (like QA1) : NZ $180 + postage (alloy sleeves, 1 locknut per sleeve, spanners ?, 2 top hats) - waiting on confirmation of price of extra locknut and if spanners are included or extra
Noltec : $330 + postage (steel sleeves, 2 locknuts per sleeve, 2 (?) spanners, 2 top hats)
Kings : $257 + postage (alloy sleeves, 2 locknuts per sleeve, 2 spanners, 2 top hats) (prices are RRP, awaiting actual price from local distributor - Quoted $362 from local supplier - so did Kings stuff up their price over the phone ???)
Thoughts anyone ?
EDIT : Added King Springs pricing, again 22/2/02 11:30am
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Mon, 21 February 2005 04:57
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Try King Springs??? They sell all the components, but the web site is unfriendly.
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Mon, 21 February 2005 05:27
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| Stefan wrote on Mon, 21 February 2005 15:27 |
Try King Springs??? They sell all the components, but the web site is unfriendly.
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Kings prices added above...
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