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Toyota Soarer -> Manual
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Mon, 28 February 2005 11:40
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I am considering maybe getting a Soarer (around 1991 onwards (about $10000-13000)) as a next car (RWD turbo power  )
I have found it is nearly impossible to get a manual soarer let alone a manual turbo soarer. So I was wondering if i should get an auto soarer and put a manual box in it? How much does it cost? Is it possible? Is it hard? Is it worth it (of course it is if it's cheap enough )
Also what are the stock stats for a 6cyl turbo soarer? 1/4 time, 0-100 time, etc?
and finally is a soarer any good as a drift car (not a hard core drift car, just for a bit of fun going around corners )
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November 2004
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Re: Toyota Soarer -> Manual
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Mon, 28 February 2005 11:43
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It's worth it...
The auto PCM nocks the hell out of power on shifts etc...
The Auto as a whole has a lazier tune for AFR...
So piss the auto trans off, and get the manual computer at the same time (Or go full aftermarket)
Probably cost you around $2000G all up if you do the work yourself (Guesstimate there)
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Re: Toyota Soarer -> Manual
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Mon, 28 February 2005 23:26
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Yeah ok, cool
I am not exactly sure what a PCM or an AFR is but yeah....
Any idea on price for a manual computer compared to an aftermarket computer?
I heard that manual boxes where hard to find (that was from a mate with auto soarer)
Work involved would be to drop the autobox off, and then bolt in the new manual box + clutch, install a clutch pedal, and wire up computer and then get it dyno tuned?
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Re: Toyota Soarer -> Manual
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Tue, 01 March 2005 07:50
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Conversion is a piece of cake IF you are supplied with all the right parts.
Parts alone cost me $3000 for everything required, which included a custom clutch I had built for $700, and brand new master & slave cylinders.
Did all the work myself (with a hoist and help from dad), but there weren't any "tricks" which was a relief. Haven't looked back since 
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Re: Toyota Soarer -> Manual
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Tue, 01 March 2005 10:28
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| Soarer wrote on Tue, 01 March 2005 17:50 |
Conversion is a piece of cake IF you are supplied with all the right parts.
Parts alone cost me $3000 for everything required, which included a custom clutch I had built for $700, and brand new master & slave cylinders.
Did all the work myself (with a hoist and help from dad), but there weren't any "tricks" which was a relief. Haven't looked back since
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Ah cool. 
What is reference to getting the right parts? is the some parts the often get mixed up or was it just a one of situation on your part?
What parts are required? Gearbox (does it need to be a soarer Gearbox or could one from a supra be used (more common i guess?)), Clutch (does it need to be custom like yours, or can a standard clutch be used?), clutch pedal, computer? (did you just use the standard manual computer or did you use an aftermarket computer?), what else?
Was it hard to install? is any mods required to fit it? is it hard to insert the clutch pedal etc?
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Re: Toyota Soarer -> Manual
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Tue, 01 March 2005 11:24
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Using a proper Soarer R154 is much easier than using a Supra version. The shifters are totally different, and if you use the Supra one, the shaft will come out of the transmission tunnel somewhere underneath your stereo head unit. You can replace the shifter mechanism, but I took the easier option of getting the right box to begin with.
You can still use the standard clutch. I got mine rebuilt to hold ~300rwkw which the car should be putting out. A replacement Exedy/Daikin heavy duty clutch was worth $800 at the time, so I opted for a custom one built to my specs.
Pedals I think need to be from a Soarer. Can't remember exactly. Easy to install, since Toyota put the mounting points into every Soarer, not just the manual ones. You need to re-drill the holes for the studs from the inside of the car, but it's quite do-able, and no guesswork is required.
You'll need to either get a MT driveshaft (50mm longer than the auto version) or modify your existing one. Yokes are the same between the AT and MT boxes.
For the ECU, I began by using the standard AT one which didn't have any problems. A few weeks later I bought an APEXi PowerFC so I could continue my modifications elsewhere on the car.
No difficult mods required to make it all fit. A hole is required to be cut through the transmission tunnel (approx 50x50mm) and the holes drilled through the firewall as mentioned earlier.
I'll do my best to list all of the parts I used:
Soarer R154 gearbox inc. bellhousing and inspection plates
1JZ Flywheel
*New* flywheel bolts (single use bolts only)
Clutch plate
Pressure plate (with integrated throwout bearing)
Clutch fork
Spigot bearing (same as WRX)
Soarer MT driveshaft
Clutch master & slave cylinders
Clutch hard pipe and flexible hose from master to slave
Clutch pedal
MT brake pedal (smaller foot pad and different angle to AT version)
MT shifter (inc. all rubber surrounds and gaskets)
Gear knob
New MT centre console surround (Toyota part number: 58805-24030)
Some creative electronics work also needs to be done. If you get serious about the conversion, PM me and I'll send you photos detailing the exact steps to getting the car started (neutral start switch bypass) and to getting the reverse lights working.
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Re: Toyota Soarer -> Manual
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Wed, 02 March 2005 00:24
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I still have a manual g/box c/member and clutch pedal set up from a 90/91 model soarer[gz20]and other bits as well.
Ta Guy
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Re: Toyota Soarer -> Manual
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Wed, 02 March 2005 03:07
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| amon wrote on Wed, 02 March 2005 11:24 |
I still have a manual g/box c/member and clutch pedal set up from a 90/91 model soarer[gz20]and other bits as well.
Ta Guy
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That sounds promising for the other guy...
As for aftermarkets...
Aftermarket full replacements start around $1000 - $1500 and go up from there...
A stock ECU for a soarer is around $200 I'd say max?
As for PCM... Power Control Module (Exactly the same as an ECU... I just say PCM cause I've been studing Holden workshop manuals and they use PCM instead... Second nature for me now)
AFR is Air Fuel Ratio... It's the ratio of Air:Fuel...
Stoich is 14.7:1
Performance around 12.5:1
Economy
15.4:1
Soarers tuned to around 11.5 - 12 : 1
Timing is ignition advance... The more advance the more power you can produce... When shifting, the auto ECU retards timing (Loss of power)
I have an article here on the Auto Soarer actually...
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