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 Why A GT4???
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Thu, 03 March 2005 07:12
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Hey guys,
I really want to know something i think i can find the answer here!
I was looking at buying a St186 GT4 [1990] for $10000 and a few others a dearer but when i read more about GT4's the more it puts me off. It seems like if you mod em up high-flow,f/m,exhaust,boost,etc and you would mod up an RS Libo with td05,f/m,exhaust,boost etc the Libo would go quicker, 1/4mile!
is the St186 that FAT???
how does the st186 gt4 handle compared to rs???
what would be a better option for circuit racing???
Cya guys thanks
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Re: Why A GT4???
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Thu, 03 March 2005 07:32
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anyone?
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Re: Why A GT4???
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Thu, 03 March 2005 07:38
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yes it's heavy, and it's st185 no idea how they go
and why? because it's bullet proof.
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Re: Why A GT4???
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Thu, 03 March 2005 07:59
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toyota in general make pretty porky cars (cue the dorifto bunnies to chime in)... the fact that an r32 GTR with 4wd is lighter than a mk3 supra highlights my point.
Add toyota porkiness to 4wd porkiness, and you're not gonna get a light car.
but the 3s-gte is a sweet as engine which will never break, and toyotas in general are unkillable, so you'd have a tough fast beast at the end
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Re: Why A GT4???
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Thu, 03 March 2005 08:01
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| DRFTGUY wrote on Thu, 03 March 2005 15:12 |
It seems like if you mod em up high-flow,f/m,exhaust,boost,etc and you would mod up an RS Libo with td05,f/m,exhaust,boost etc the Libo would go quicker, 1/4mile!
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Don't buy a car based on performance in a straight line.
Base it on looks, options, comfort.
Everything else can be solved with money.
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Re: Why A GT4???
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Thu, 03 March 2005 08:05
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looks, options, comfort.. the 3 things I care least about in a car 
it's all about speed, handling, and braking
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September 2004
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Re: Why A GT4???
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Thu, 03 March 2005 08:09
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atleast with a st185 u wont be braking gearboxes all the time once you make a little power out of em unlike a liberty rs.
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Re: Why A GT4???
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Thu, 03 March 2005 08:14
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| draven wrote on Thu, 03 March 2005 16:05 |
it's all about speed, handling, and braking
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Any car can have these attributes with enough money thrown at it.
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Thu, 03 March 2005 08:45
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yeah but a Gt4 has them as standard items
as a stock car - they handle pretty damn nicely - ane brakes up to the task , and are brisk to drive - alot of fun - true GT style
They are not intended as a straight line machine - they are designed for corners - and lots of them ..
Buy one if you enjoy fanging thru the hills
buy a supra - if you want to be l@@t on the strip
Thats Gt4 in a nutshell - more details available if truely interested
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Re: Why A GT4???
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Thu, 03 March 2005 11:29
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but the 3s-gte is a sweet as engine which will never break, and toyotas in general are unkillable, so you'd have a tough fast beast at the end
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I'd like that to be rephrased cause my 3SGTE broke just fine  3S-GTEs are strong in that if your replace the standard pistons (ex165/185/185RC)you can dial up the boost quite a bit p.v. you have the right engine management and cooling.
But if you're GT4/3SGTE has clocked up alot of kays without a really good service history then you could be in for a few surprises.
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Re: Why A GT4???
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Thu, 03 March 2005 12:06
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point noted
Service history is important !
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Re: Why A GT4???
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Fri, 04 March 2005 00:31
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| FWDboy wrote on Thu, 03 March 2005 22:29 |
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but the 3s-gte is a sweet as engine which will never break, and toyotas in general are unkillable, so you'd have a tough fast beast at the end
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I'd like that to be rephrased cause my 3SGTE broke just fine
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Yeah so did mine... but mine had a crack in it already. But they are very much an indestructible engine which is why they rally with them.
Also they make a damn fine (but a little squeezy) replacement engine for a RAV4 if you're in the market for one! Cos now she's got some REAL boot!. 
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Re: Why A GT4???
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Fri, 04 March 2005 01:51
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*shakes head* why me??? It had only done 130,000kays....
*waaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh*
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Re: Why A GT4???
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Fri, 04 March 2005 01:52
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Just a point in the Subies favour (sorry guys I've now got a WRX engined car as well) but the ONLY time they break gearboxes is when you're ham fisted with them (ie 6000rpm clutch dumps, etc) & this'll break any 4wd gearbox, including the GT4 version.
The Liberty/Legacy is a lot more anonymous & has convenience of 4 doors or a wagon shape. But the first thing that needs to be changed is the radiator header tank.
The subie is better balanced stock: lower centre of gravity, less weight - but not much - in the front end, better balanced engine
(Now wait out for the flame outs....)
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Re: Why A GT4???
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Fri, 04 March 2005 02:03
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FWD boy, dont worry same thing happened to my 3sgte mr2. had 95000km on the clock (not sure if its true) and i cracked my pistons...just getting it back on the road after 8 months of waiting 
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Re: Why A GT4???
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Fri, 04 March 2005 03:51
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| wagonist wrote on Fri, 04 March 2005 12:52 |
Just a point in the Subies favour (sorry guys I've now got a WRX engined car as well) but the ONLY time they break gearboxes is when you're ham fisted with them (ie 6000rpm clutch dumps, etc) & this'll break any 4wd gearbox, including the GT4 version.
The Liberty/Legacy is a lot more anonymous & has convenience of 4 doors or a wagon shape. But the first thing that needs to be changed is the radiator header tank.
The subie is better balanced stock: lower centre of gravity, less weight - but not much - in the front end, better balanced engine
(Now wait out for the flame outs....)
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Symmetry = Balance
Balance = Handling
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Re: Why A GT4???
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Fri, 04 March 2005 04:58
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| RAV-GT4 wrote on Fri, 04 March 2005 11:31 |
| FWDboy wrote on Thu, 03 March 2005 22:29 |
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but the 3s-gte is a sweet as engine which will never break, and toyotas in general are unkillable, so you'd have a tough fast beast at the end
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I'd like that to be rephrased cause my 3SGTE broke just fine
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Yeah so did mine... but mine had a crack in it already. But they are very much an indestructible engine which is why they rally with them.
Also they make a damn fine (but a little squeezy) replacement engine for a RAV4 if you're in the market for one! Cos now she's got some REAL boot!.
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I don't think you're 3SGTE is really a good example seeing as the previous owner did a VERY good job of smashing that engine (block, sump, timing case, etc. etc.)
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Re: Why A GT4???
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Fri, 04 March 2005 05:16
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EVERYBODY knows that the 3SGTE is a tough nut. Heck, they went in the Jun Supras for a while there.
It has an amazing reuptation for being super tough if looked after with any sort of common decency. Problem with toyota, is that people abuse the privilege of a tough motor, and we have examples like Stephens.
A single motor being rallied from it's conception till toyota pulled out of WRC *sob* is saying something. If you want a tough motor, 3SGE.
Mum mum's centre diff died in the ass on the RX 2.5 NA liberty we have. poor.
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Re: Why A GT4???
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Tue, 28 June 2005 03:26
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hi the rally guys still use the 3sgte in australia. they had some parts left from the ST205 Group A rally Celica, stuck it in a Roller and chase subbies on the weekends.
as for the gear box its strong i race my GT4 6000RPM lunch with no slip. Have done this for five years, gear box is FINE
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Re: Why A GT4???
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Tue, 28 June 2005 03:42
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why dig up a old thread to make a point they isn't really that valid and not very literate
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