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November 2002
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 AE82 Engine Swap
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Mon, 04 November 2002 03:56
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Hi All,
My poor old AE82 Corolla hatch died on Friday. Blown head gasket between the 3rd and 4th cylinders. This is the second blown head and the 4A-C has been using heaps of oil lately, so I am going to replace the engine.
I don't want to spend a lot of money on it (so no fuel injection), but I would like to get some more power than the breathless 4AC can offer.
Any idea what it would cost to fit a 4A-FC twin cam?
Does anyone know if it would be possible to get a low-km import or second hand 4AC?
I'm in Canberra, by the way.
The 'Rolla is just sitting at the shop, so any help would be greatly appreciated.
Matt
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Hornsby, N.S.W
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September 2002
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Mon, 04 November 2002 05:51
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you should be able to pick up a cheap 4age. fuel injection is no that expensive.
JUST A THOUGHT
JUZZo
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Canberra ACT
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November 2002
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Re: AE82 Engine Swap
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Mon, 04 November 2002 06:06
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Hmmmm. What's your idea of "not that expensive"?
I have been quoted $1,950 for the 4AC and I reckon that the 4A-GE would be at least double that. Not to mention the cost of new clutch, gearbox etc..
Matt
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Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: AE82 Engine Swap
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Mon, 04 November 2002 11:33
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i got my 4AGE conversion package for $850
ecu, gearbox still attached to the engine, even came with the strut brace
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Adelaide
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July 2002
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Re: AE82 Engine Swap
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Mon, 04 November 2002 14:44
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Did that 850 include labor xfader? i don't this this guy is going to do it himself. Converting to Efi should only cost around 150 bucks for the parts ie. fuel tank n pump and lines. so if your gonna be spending 2 grand the extra 150 isn't much. i doub't u'll notice a big difference with the FC it's not a true twin cam, yeh it has two cams but they both run off the same pulley,i think thats how it works, I'd definatly agree get the 4age preferably the 100kw version
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Canberra ACT
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November 2002
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Re: AE82 Engine Swap
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Mon, 04 November 2002 22:23
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Yeah, I can't do the work myself. The extra time and parts involved in an EFI conversion, combined with the obligatory brake and clutch upgrade would just be too expensive.
If I could do it myself, then I would go for the 4A-GE. I already have a 140kw Celica, so I can't really justify spending a lot of extra money on bringing my Corolla up to 100kw 
If I remember correctly, the 4A-FC makes about 65kw which is a significant improvement over my 50kw 4AC, without being enough to require brake/clutch upgrades.
Thanks for your help.
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May 2002
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Re: AE82 Engine Swap
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Tue, 05 November 2002 00:05
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nope home jobbie 
the twin cam fuel tank comes with internal pump so it would be much easier. im still running the same 4ac fuel lines for the ge and its getting enough fuel.. even rich sometimes.
the conversion from 4ac to 4age is pretty much straight forward.
ge bolts on directly though if you have A/C on your 4ac.. you will need to remove the left fan as it's to close to the radiator piping. you'll need to get the front mount twin cam fan which includes a bracket for the oil cooler. wiring the efi is easy. the engine loom runs through the same hole to the interior. the fuel tank will have the line for power. only the inside passenger to driver fusebox wiring needs to be changed to accomodate the efi/ecu. just rip out the interior and swap the loom over.
here's a link to strutto's site which shows detailed pics of his 4ac to 4age 100kw conversion.
http://home.iprimus.com.au/struttona/index.htm
I was qouted by a known workshop about 2k for labour + plus. 4 weeks and it will be done. We did it in about two weekends (got the motor in and out in one day. wiring and hoses another day. then running back and forth for missin components). Saved 2k and got the first experience.
Here was my shopping list for the ge -
Motor w/ gearbox, ecu, engine loom, stutbrace w/ map - $850
2" mandrel bend exhaust system 2nd hand - $50
ae82 fueltank + lines - $250
ae82 twin cam dash - $100
ae82 twin cam startmotor - $40
ae82 p2d fusebox wiring loom - $50
el cheapo pod filter - $50
Total - $1390 for bare essentials to let you drive around.
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Location:
Canberra ACT
Registered:
November 2002
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Re: AE82 Engine Swap
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Tue, 05 November 2002 00:13
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Well Guys, the 4A-FC idea has been knocked on the head as well 
There is an additional charge for exchanging an engine for a different one, so I would have to pay an extra $500 or buy another engine and have to get rid of the 4AC lump. Then I would have the additional cost of fitting a different engine, which is not really worthwhile for an FC.
If I had planned this a bit better (and replaced the engine before it died), then I might have been able to do a 4A-GE swap with my regular mechanic. I could have gotten a 100kw version or even a 20V front cut with gearbox etc.. and done it right. But now I'm in the situation where I need to get it back on the road ASAP with a minimum of expense.
Oh well, at least the remanufactured 4AC should go a bit better than my worn out old engine 
Thanks again guys.
Matt
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Re: AE82 Engine Swap
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Tue, 05 November 2002 00:16
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im using stock 4ac brakes on my 4age
disc and drums. they stop good under 80kms.. any higher theres a waiting period and since i've got a 90km speed limit ( p plater) i dont go over anyway 
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teawamutu, newzealand
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November 2002
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Re: AE82 Engine Swap
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Tue, 05 November 2002 00:42
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ive got a ae82 corolla sedan,had it given to me last christmas with a seriously cooked engine. stock standard with a 4a-c,blue with a white rear door.i was gonna do a 4a-f conversion but i could only find engines with 200,000ks up on the clock.
ended up doing a 4afe conversion,1997 ae101 corolla 89,000k and 5 spd box.its going nice done about 5000ks since conversion,fitted 16 inch alloys ,tinted windows and slapped in a pair of momo race seats did it all myself whole car owes me $300.yes that is $300 and no nothing is stolen.
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Location:
Canberra ACT
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November 2002
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Re: AE82 Engine Swap
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Tue, 05 November 2002 01:19
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What sort of power does the 4A-FE put out? Is it about the same as the 4A-FC?
If I was going to go to the trouble of a fuel injection conversion, then I would get the 4A-GE to make it worthwhile.
Congrats on the swap though, I'm sure the new engine is better than the old worn out 4A-C!! Only $300? well done!
Matt
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Sydney- Sutho Shire &...
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June 2002
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Re: AE82 Engine Swap
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Tue, 05 November 2002 13:32
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I fitted a ge to my old '88 se. Used the existing 4ac gearbox and shafts with no probs for 100000km. Then I found the box that came with the eninge was LSD so I fitted it.
A bit of hassle fitting the looms, but it was all plug and play. I also used the 4ac instrument cluster, which was fun because you could go seriously into the red zone and wind the speedo off the clock.
My dad has a ae92 Csi Limited, and the 4afe is quite responsive. it doesn't feel all that far behind in most conditions.
Maybe a 4agcc ?
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Adelaide
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July 2002
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Tue, 05 November 2002 13:45
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U used the standard Instrument cluster from the 4ac??? how did the speedo and tacho work just plug and play from the GE loom?? What GE did u fit? 86kw 100kw or 20v? I'm looking at gettin a 20v 1/2 cut and fittin it to my CS-X, i'm trying to get as much info about all the fidly bits and pieces as possible.
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Re: AE82 Engine Swap
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Tue, 05 November 2002 14:05
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hmm if i had the cs-x.. i would keep the original dash.. with the 5/6k redline? so i wouldn't trash push the cars limits just the old dash 
TCHOON
lsd?
did you do a gze?
i thought only 4ages in rwd sprinters had lsd's..?
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Location:
Canberra ACT
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November 2002
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Re: AE82 Engine Swap
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Tue, 05 November 2002 22:34
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4agcc? That's a new one on me.
The 4A-FE is still fuel injected (hence the 'E'), so I would not consider it. If I was going to the trouble of EFI conversion, I would want a 100kw GE at least
I was considering the 4A-FC which is the carbueretted twin cam that cam in some later model Seca's I think.
I'm really starting to wish that I had planned this sooner and done a proper 4A-GE conversion
TCHOON - I'm a bit surprised that the 4A-C gearbox and CV joints etc.. held up to 100,000km with the GE. Was it the 100kw engine? Did you just drive it very conservatively? Did you upgrade the brakes?
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Location:
Melbourne
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August 2002
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Re: AE82 Engine Swap
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Thu, 07 November 2002 15:36
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| Matty P wrote on Tue, 05 November 2002 09:23 |
I believe the 4AC pumps out 58Kw
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