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Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Mon, 07 March 2005 00:44
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What do u reckon would win ?
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Tassie
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Mon, 07 March 2005 00:49
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soupra
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Mon, 07 March 2005 00:55
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SW20 non-turbo?
Win at what? 1/4 mile? Traffic light GP? Race course?
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Mon, 07 March 2005 01:32
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The one with the most neons
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Colac, Victoria
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Mon, 07 March 2005 01:42
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is takumi , or bunta driving ?
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Mon, 07 March 2005 07:02
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sorry...
Mk.2 7MGTE
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SW20 Turbo
over a 1/4 mile
street drag
track
i just generally want to know overall cause i am backing the supra, and he is getting an SW20 but he is so convinced that the MR2 would beat the Mk.2 but i doubt it wat do u think?
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Toronto, Downtown
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September 2004
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Mon, 07 March 2005 07:05
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the sw20 but im biased. mid engine traction, 3sgte power and sexy styling means its a no brainer for me.
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Mon, 07 March 2005 07:08
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hmm i dunno.... they are closey matched in weigh, the 7M puts out mroe power, and more torque, MA61 looks better. Plus it has a supra badge so it has to go fast! but i spose the mid engine traction would be a factor in favour of the SW20, but my Mk.2 has upgraded shocks etc etc in it where as this SW20 has standard shocks etc etc
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Mon, 07 March 2005 07:20
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ah you mean an MA61. a mk2 is a different car. 
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Mon, 07 March 2005 08:35
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Damn, it doesn't have a 7MGTE Mk2 Supra there 
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Mon, 07 March 2005 09:33
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Yes I was getting confused. A 7m'ed Mk2 would be lighter than a MA61. Would beat the supra.
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Mon, 07 March 2005 09:34
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yea i just realised.. bloody jap cars!! i meant a Mark 2 supra !!! the mark 2 is a corona isn't it... anyway wat do u guys think 7MA61 turbo or SW20 just all round... BTW the MA61 already wins hands down on looks
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Cabramatta, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Mon, 07 March 2005 09:47
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SW20 any day. Better handling, better engine, more modern. Mid-engine = sex.
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Hobart, TAS
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October 2004
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Mon, 07 March 2005 10:01
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I'm thinking Mr TRD recently got beat by an SW20 
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Mon, 07 March 2005 10:28
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i think i never raced an SW20!!
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brisbane
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Mon, 07 March 2005 11:20
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Have to be the supra 
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Mon, 07 March 2005 11:43
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HOW THE HECK CAN YOU SAY AN ma61 LOOKS BETTER THAN AN SW20, you can love your supra and all.. but even the most die hard fans(bar you) have to admit the sw20 looks 50 million times better... no more substances for you
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Mon, 07 March 2005 11:55
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| Jag7799 wrote on Mon, 07 March 2005 19:43 |
HOW THE HECK CAN YOU SAY AN ma61 LOOKS BETTER THAN AN SW20, you can love your supra and all.. but even the most die hard fans(bar you) have to admit the sw20 looks 50 million times better... no more substances for you
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The two shapes are really different. To be honest, from some angles the SW20 looks mint, but as an overall profile, it just looks funny. That said, I still prefer the MA61 shape (well, when suitably tweaked) over an SW20.
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Mon, 07 March 2005 12:39
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Mon, 07 March 2005 22:55 |
| Jag7799 wrote on Mon, 07 March 2005 19:43 |
HOW THE HECK CAN YOU SAY AN ma61 LOOKS BETTER THAN AN SW20, you can love your supra and all.. but even the most die hard fans(bar you) have to admit the sw20 looks 50 million times better... no more substances for you
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The two shapes are really different. To be honest, from some angles the SW20 looks mint, but as an overall profile, it just looks funny. That said, I still prefer the MA61 shape (well, when suitably tweaked) over an SW20.
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I second that. MA61 just looks tough.
Performance wise, its hard to say. Having been in my mates SW20 with mild mods running just over 1 bar of boost, that thing can haul ass.
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Mon, 07 March 2005 14:24
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| TRD_Supra wrote on Mon, 07 March 2005 17:02 |
Mk.2 7MGTE
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SW20 Turbo
over a 1/4 mile
street drag
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1/4 mile: Supra, no brainer. Weight is about the same and it has way more power/torque. This is assuming both have stock engines or have similar mods.
Street drag: not sure how this differs from the 1/4 mile, apart from being illegal. Supra again.
Track: MR2, no brainer (assuming stock suspension). More advanced suspension plus mid engined = good for corners and stuff. The Supra will melt its brakes after a couple of laps anyway.
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Tue, 08 March 2005 02:02
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| Norbie wrote on Tue, 08 March 2005 01:24 |
1/4 mile: Supra, no brainer. Weight is about the same and it has way more power/torque. This is assuming both have stock engines or have similar mods.
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Interesting.... what are the specs on a standard 7M-GTE powered MA61?
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Tue, 08 March 2005 02:21
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Mine's pulling 152rwkw on around 9-10psi. Torque in both cars are totally different though.
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Tue, 08 March 2005 05:07
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| Senor_2 wrote on Tue, 08 March 2005 13:02 |
| Norbie wrote on Tue, 08 March 2005 01:24 |
1/4 mile: Supra, no brainer. Weight is about the same and it has way more power/torque. This is assuming both have stock engines or have similar mods.
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Interesting.... what are the specs on a standard 7M-GTE powered MA61?
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no such thing as a 'standard' 7m ma61
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Tue, 08 March 2005 05:36
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wat i mean is a 7M GTE which has had small mods such as POD Filter, sports exhaust and muffler. Nothing major jsut small things so the engine not making much more power than standard form. Like the amount of pwoer it would make from the factory in an '89 MA70, vs a '91 SW20 which is standard.. sorry for beign so un descriptive
BTW i 3rd the MA61 looks, the MA61 looks like it has some balls this big phat tyres and flared guards and an overall fast and menacing look... personally i think the SW20 looks a bit hair dressery!!
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October 2003
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Wed, 09 March 2005 00:15
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Could someone please summarise the comparison now im completely confused 
Apparently the 7MGTE MA61 Supra with minor mods now gets fat tyres too?
Are they auto or manual?
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Ballarat, Victoria
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March 2003
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Wed, 09 March 2005 00:17
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| Senor_2 wrote on Tue, 08 March 2005 13:02 |
| Norbie wrote on Tue, 08 March 2005 01:24 |
1/4 mile: Supra, no brainer. Weight is about the same and it has way more power/torque. This is assuming both have stock engines or have similar mods.
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Interesting.... what are the specs on a standard 7M-GTE powered MA61?
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mine is stock engine, running 5psi with metal headgasket.
139rwkw and 14.2 1/4 mile...
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Wed, 09 March 2005 00:23
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evil that sounds like how mine will be !! BTW they are both manual! but i will have hte boost cranked up to around 12-15 when getting competitive!! TEACH those commodores a lesson in REAL POWER
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Wed, 09 March 2005 00:52
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| Evil_Foetus wrote on Wed, 09 March 2005 11:17 |
| Senor_2 wrote on Tue, 08 March 2005 13:02 |
| Norbie wrote on Tue, 08 March 2005 01:24 |
1/4 mile: Supra, no brainer. Weight is about the same and it has way more power/torque. This is assuming both have stock engines or have similar mods.
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Interesting.... what are the specs on a standard 7M-GTE powered MA61?
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mine is stock engine, running 5psi with metal headgasket.
139rwkw and 14.2 1/4 mile...
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Thanks for that, just wanted to confirm because I know that standard 94+ MR2 Turbos do high 13s....
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Wed, 09 March 2005 00:59
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94+ are the SW21s. Not sure if they were more powerful, but they had different ECUs which allowed for more boost. Amongst a whole host of different things...
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Wed, 09 March 2005 01:02
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| Nark wrote on Wed, 09 March 2005 11:59 |
94+ are the SW21s. Not sure if they were more powerful, but they had different ECUs which allowed for more boost. Amongst a whole host of different things...
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Actually the SW21's were only released in the US and were NA
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Wed, 09 March 2005 01:13
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Dude,
I really think you are questioning a moot point.
None of us here know the exact specs of the modified supra or sw20, and even still, one engine my be tired or they could be driven by a tool. Fact is, we're not going to know until you give us the timeslips from the 1/4 miles or the lap times from the track.
You seem to be trolling the sw20 owners by bagging out the looks of their cars and noting the 7MGTE has more torque etc. I really don't know why everyone has entertained you for so long.
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Wed, 09 March 2005 01:17
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I don't think so.
From what I remember (I wanted to buy an MR2 Turbo a few years ago), the 94+ MR2s were all SW21s, turbo/non-turbo, 3S-GE/3S-GTE, US/JDM.
SW21s got the newer engines, revised suspension, the Jap ones got the foglights that swung with the steering wheel, shit like that.
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Adelaide
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July 2002
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Wed, 09 March 2005 01:23
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same weight? really? i woulda thought the poopra err supra was a heavy barge. but it does have displacement and cylinders in its favour. my mate has a MZ20 sumthin soarer with a 7M in it and it goes dam hard!! havent given him a run against my sw20 yet as hes got a few mods up his sleave, decent exhaust being the main one and mine is stock as at the mo. but i'd say in a 1/4 mile drag it would be pretty bloody close, even if the mr2 lost it would still win coz i mean how many laydies are gonna wanna jump into a old skool junky looking MA61??
on the track the mr2 would tear up the supra no problems assuming both have stock suspension in good working order and equal tyres ect ect
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Wed, 09 March 2005 01:30
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Ma61 are actually quite light somewhere in the vicinity of 1280kg if I remember correctly
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Wed, 09 March 2005 01:34
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sw21 is the USDM mr2 with the 5S-FE
wow so the supra went from being a middle weight to a super heavy weight
think the mr2 weighs around 1180kg?
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Wed, 09 March 2005 10:28
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MR2 turbo is around 1290kg. Stock MA61 (5-speed) is around 1300kg. With a 7M-GTE it will weigh a bit more, but I have a feeling an extra litre of displacement more than makes up for that.
This thread proves there's no point comparing a stock car to a modified car. The answer to the original question is "try it and see".
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Wed, 09 March 2005 10:31
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sw20's suck teh dick
MA61 looks better and would go harder 
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Wed, 09 March 2005 12:02
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| TRD_Supra wrote on Wed, 09 March 2005 11:23 |
evil that sounds like how mine will be !! BTW they are both manual! but i will have hte boost cranked up to around 12-15 when getting competitive!! TEACH those commodores a lesson in REAL POWER
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Dude, you wont be able to crank up the boost that high on a stock 7M. Boost will cut at 11.5psi exactly or somewhere close to that region.
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Wed, 09 March 2005 12:11
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I call bs on a stock turbo sw20 pulling High 13's. I test drove a GT turbo (however I can't remember the production year) and there is no way it was quicker than the car I purchased which runs a 14.1 second quarter.
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Wed, 09 March 2005 12:20
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hmm well i am hearing different things from different people... Maybe i will just got he aftermarket ECU!! but to start with just a good old 7 or 8 psi...
How can u say that the MA61 looks junky.. i bet u r just one of those new car fags that thinks anything that is slightly old is shit... y don't u appreciate anyhting older?? BTW MA61 looks WAYYYYY BETTER than an SW20... SW20 is very hair dressery
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Wed, 09 March 2005 12:52
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eh the ma61 prolly looked tuff in its day, imagine what kids will be saying about jza80's in 15 years.
i just dont like it, looks too old skool. mr2 still looks pretty modern / sporty (basic design/shape of teh sw20 was from '89 to 98, gotta be doin something right to keep it lookin the same for nearly a decade). pft hair dressers car? nah thats a paseo.
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Wed, 09 March 2005 12:55
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the MA61 still does look very tuff now... newer cars look boring... the roundness jsut seems a bit to CUTE for me... i like hard edges an hard angles on the car.. makes it look sharp and fast.. rounded cars just look fluffy and flowery if that is anyway to descrive it
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Wed, 09 March 2005 13:02
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| TRD_Supra wrote on Wed, 09 March 2005 22:55 |
the MA61 still does look very tuff now... newer cars look boring... the roundness jsut seems a bit to CUTE for me... i like hard edges an hard angles on the car.. makes it look sharp and fast.. rounded cars just look fluffy and flowery if that is anyway to descrive it
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ditto - hence my favourite cars are:
MA61 supra (own one)
MA70 supra (own one)
MZ21 soarer (want one)
I do want a JZA80, but im not fussed on their ricey-ness.
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Wed, 09 March 2005 13:05
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yes highly agree with the above statement... i would say the JZA80 is a bit of an exception from the flowery look, they are quite a unique design and it just sort of flows the look of it.. i have always thought an SW20 looks alot like a Ford Probe from the front..
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Wed, 05 October 2005 00:36
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sw20 any day.
i think we should have a meet and drag each other to settle this.
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Wed, 05 October 2005 00:40
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| boing wrote on Wed, 05 October 2005 10:36 |
sw20 any day.
i think we should have a meet and drag each other to settle this.
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One he's in tassie your in sydney bit hard to race and street racing is bad mmkay, third this thread is old let it die peacefully.
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Wed, 05 October 2005 01:51
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LOL! since this thread i have raced an SW20, i was running 13 psi, the SW20 was running 16psi and they seem pretty much even!
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Wed, 05 October 2005 02:07
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k, i actually lied and i bet it by a bit but i will just saw we are even to keep everyone happy!
*** K thread back to sleep ***
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Wed, 05 October 2005 04:20
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nah bugger that i think ill pip up a bit here for the sake of the ignorant..
early sw20's were fat and weak at the knees. gen 1 and gen 2 3SGTE's weren't all that spesh.. 90% of the SW20 turbos on the road are 15 year imports on SEVS.. so theyre all late 89's early 90's.
i think however if you were pitted up against a Gen 3 3SGTE sw20.. you = teh 0wn3d. 189kw at the flywheel stock. take around 15% drivetrain loss on a MR2.. 160kw at the wheels. later revisions of the sW20 were also a buttload lighter.. mine with the 3SGE gen III is 1050kg stock im quite sure.. either way... j00 = teh pwn3d!
wait i know how u can beat the SW20!
HKS Sticker + 10kw
Trust Sticker + 5kw
Apexi Sticker + 5kw
You can do it!! 
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Wed, 05 October 2005 04:50
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wat year is this tho ?
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Wed, 05 October 2005 04:59
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late 95/early 96 to early 98 i think..
correct me i im wrong someone..
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Wed, 05 October 2005 06:07
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Early SW20's are listed at 1250kg. I fail to see how the later versions somehow lost 200kg, especially given the tendency of cars to get fatter as the model run progresses and more features are added.
Meanwhile an MA61 is only slightly heavier at about 1300kg, and a 7M will match the power output of a late model 3S but walk all over it for torque.
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Wed, 05 October 2005 06:16
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Nuf said!
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Re: Mk.2 7MGTE vs SW20
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Wed, 05 October 2005 09:18
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Huhh ???
This thread lived past more than two posts ???
Why, .... no, really, WHY ?
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