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kayot1k
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icon14.gif  4agze vs Vtec Vti ? Sun, 13 March 2005 06:06 Go to next message
i wanted to know what you boys think about a 4agze put up against a vtec type honda engine.

i used to think vtec was nothing much but a twincam type like setup. once my mate with a vtec 1.6 EG hatch type finished his cold air induction fitted to stock airbox his car was super quick from the word go.
my 4agze map type with aftermarket ecu plus bigger pulley could not pull away.

we were head to head pretty much depending on who launches better, the last time we encountered i had the launch on him but once vtec started to kick in he was pretty much in line to 80.

damnz i thought the gze would have had the edge against the vtec. His car is quite quick as it can keep up if not beat most high end cars for atleast the first 2 gears.

hmmm, i dunno what do you guys think.

by the way we both have cold air induction but i have yet to get a bonnet scoop for my top mount which i would be getting quite soon.

edit./ vtec has cat back exaust, 4agze has hi-flow2.5inch cat with 2.1/4 inch exhuast all the way to muffler.

regards

[Updated on: Sun, 13 March 2005 06:12]

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Re: 4agze vs Vtec Vti ? Sun, 13 March 2005 06:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Honda engines are very impressive. My mates have had a few civics and the such and they are quick for what they are.

I think its time to "GTE" you ride. Then there wont be anymore neck on neck, you'll be about a kay and a half away!

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Re: 4agze vs Vtec Vti ? Sun, 13 March 2005 06:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
get a nevo on the biyatch, also fix up your intercooling. OR go turbo.
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Re: 4agze vs Vtec Vti ? Sun, 13 March 2005 06:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
i do have a pulley a 164mm nevo.
i pull from about 10 - 12 pounds depending on ambient temp.


i know a 4agte would be killer but if i have to turbocharge my car inorder to make it the victor its seems quite ... you know what i mean.

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Re: 4agze vs Vtec Vti ? Sun, 13 March 2005 07:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I don't see why you are having problems

I killed one of these at the toymods drags , and also a Prelude VTI-R

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Re: 4agze vs Vtec Vti ? Sun, 13 March 2005 09:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mate you must have a supercar.

im not saying i cant beat it, i probably could if we reached higher speeds.
i.e over 90 -100

but for a vtec to keep up 1st possibly 2nd, means its not too bad of an engine.
just a few mods for the vtec make it a really good competitor.

diz you say you so called "killed" these cars but what speeds did you go to before you killed them and how close was it.
theres one thing to beat one but by how much.
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Re: 4agze vs Vtec Vti ? Sun, 13 March 2005 09:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I had them off the mark , and they never so much as approached my side view. If i remember right they were both about a half a second to a second behind.

As for that pac green machine , that is another story. Sad
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Re: 4agze vs Vtec Vti ? Sun, 13 March 2005 12:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
i love vtec, the real ones that is VTIRs and typeRs. they sound awesome. will put up a good fight against ZEs. my friend with stock B16a in a 88 crx, rolling 2nd gear = game over for me.

recently EG civic with type R engine = 12.8s, very impressive.
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Re: 4agze vs Vtec Vti ? Sun, 13 March 2005 13:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I have a stock Civic VTIR hatch and I have beaten a couple of AE82's with 4AGZE's Laughing Not be a big margin but one that was nonetheless decisive.
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Re: 4agze vs Vtec Vti ? Mon, 14 March 2005 03:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
indeed.

Never underestimate Honda engines.

I was speaking to the driver of that EG civic 'EGK-20A' yesterday and he said both him and the owner were quite impressed with the performance of the car so far.

To my amazement, it is running the stock gearbox, and the motor is not too modified either (mind you it's a Jap spec DC5R engine) - still pulling off 12.886 @ 106MPH Shocked

They have some mods coming for the next WSID event, hoping to crack 12 secs Shocked Shocked

Twas funny, he said when the lil civic was pullin up at the line, the 180sx driver did not even take notice as to what he was facing, only to look at the clock after the drag to the response of 'WTF' Laughing

But it all depends on what honda you are up against - it sounds as if the EG you were runnin has had a B16A transplant, don't be suprised if you were beaten, cuz i've heard many stories about this unsespecting combination - including a mate of mine saying it was the fastest thing he has ever been in.

But on the contrary, if it was an EG Vti with the standard SOHC Vtec, then it's hard to comprehend how it stood a chance against the mighty 4AGZE.I own a pretty much stock AFM GZE, and it is just no match for my gf's Vti. Laughing Razz
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Re: 4agze vs Vtec Vti ? Mon, 14 March 2005 03:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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have yet to get a bonnet scoop for my top mount


umm hasnt anyone noticed... non intercooled 4agze... im suprised it hasnt cooked itself into next week..

get some cooling happening and give it another shot, your intake temps will be though the roof.
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Re: 4agze vs Vtec Vti ? Mon, 14 March 2005 08:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Yep damn hondas are good!i use to hate them, but now i respect them.(i recently brought one so that helps too. Razz )
i've raced a few vtec honda's. my celica @ 6psi was neck to neck from launch at the lights with a new type r integra.2nd gear he creeped infront,but 3rd gear i got in front of him by a nose,i would call it a draw.
i've owned two civic vtec's thou Evil or Very Mad
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Re: 4agze vs Vtec Vti ? Mon, 14 March 2005 08:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
but think of the age of thew motors too!
the honda might ave more mods than just a cold air intake. n plus the 4agze would just need a pully change n it should get to pull away a lill faster.
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Re: 4agze vs Vtec Vti ? Mon, 14 March 2005 11:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
dayam you need a front mount!
Your top mount is just basically an inter-heater. Plus they aren't overly large...
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kayot1k
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Re: 4agze vs Vtec Vti ? Mon, 14 March 2005 11:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
im getting the scoop installed soon, with aftermarket topmount.
ill see how it goes after the installation.

but hell the civic is quick, we think its a SOHC vti but its damnz quick.
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Re: 4agze vs Vtec Vti ? Mon, 14 March 2005 11:41 Go to previous message
hmm the SOHC have hardly any balls, so doggy off the line, and lacks the balls thru gears.

maybe its got some good headers, chipped?
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