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FS: 4AGE & 7AFE
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Fri, 08 November 2002 20:04
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Ok, I have 2 engines for sale:
AE92 100kw 4AGE + loom + extractors
AE102 7AFE + loom + a dead auto box to go with it 
Offers?
Sorry no computer...
I may sell seperatly.
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Re: FS: 4AGE & 7AFE
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Fri, 08 November 2002 20:05
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I mean, I WILL sell the 2 engines seperatly, but I may sell the loom or the extractors seperatly.
Ohh and I am located on the Central Coast NSW.
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Re: FS: 4AGE & 7AFE
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Sat, 09 November 2002 04:33
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hey did you give up on the conversion
matty
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Re: FS: 4AGE & 7AFE
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Sat, 09 November 2002 11:43
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Daniel, how much you looking at getting for the 4AGE + loom + extractors ??
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Re: FS: 4AGE & 7AFE
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Sat, 09 November 2002 12:55
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Hey Matty, yeah kinda, not enough time or initiative.
Steve_AE92:
Mate, make an offer on the 4A, i couldn't tell you how many k's are on it either. I bought it off Johnny, so I'll E-Mail him and ask him.
It seems to be in good nick, and no, as far as I'm aware, everything is there. Injectors, extractors the lot!
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Re: FS: 4AGE & 7AFE
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Mon, 11 November 2002 04:24
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Hi, have you used the 4age at all since you bought it?
And it hasn't ever overheated or any major damage?
If not, how does $250 sound for the "AE92 100kw 4AGE + loom + extractors"?
Cheers
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Re: FS: 4AGE & 7AFE
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Mon, 11 November 2002 04:27
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Fark $250 now that would be a bloody bargin and a half.
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Re: FS: 4AGE & 7AFE
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Mon, 11 November 2002 04:33
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your kidding right.... i would have thought that engine would have at least been worth 400...
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Re: FS: 4AGE & 7AFE
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Mon, 11 November 2002 04:40
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hehe is it?
damn..well i'll pre-empt his "NO" to $250 then..
what kind of extractors and what condition is it in?
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Re: FS: 4AGE & 7AFE
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Mon, 11 November 2002 05:02
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Need the $$$ will accept $300 for the 4age + loom + extractors
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Re: FS: 4AGE & 7AFE
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Mon, 11 November 2002 05:07
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okay $300 then!
When can i get it?
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Re: FS: 4AGE & 7AFE
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Mon, 11 November 2002 05:08
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$300!! my mate will proaably give ya more than that if its still forsale
let me know
craig
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Re: FS: 4AGE & 7AFE
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Mon, 11 November 2002 05:25
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Nothing wrong with a bit of friendly competition 
Im on the Central Coast, name a day when you can come up and grab it
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Re: FS: 4AGE & 7AFE
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Mon, 11 November 2002 05:29
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Probably Wednesday earliest..got exams to study for..
Doin the same 7afe-7age conversion u were planning 
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Re: FS: 4AGE & 7AFE
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Mon, 11 November 2002 05:36
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Wed night? I work all week.
You want me to put the 4A head back on?
I have already bought new gaskets for the intake and exhaust manifolds for it too...
Want the 7A as well!!
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Re: FS: 4AGE & 7AFE
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Mon, 11 November 2002 05:42
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cool!
nah don't really need the 7a..unless i bung up my engine somehow 
how much extra u want for the 7a,etc too?
Don't worry about puttin the head on cos i'll be taking it off anyway..
Wed night should be okay, what time u reckon?
Do I need any special equipment to pick up the engine?
and do u reckon it'd fit in the back of an ae102 seca rv? 
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Re: FS: 4AGE & 7AFE
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Mon, 11 November 2002 05:44
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why have u got a spare 7afe anyway?
do u still have one in ur car?
i emailed u a few weeks ago about ur conversion but u never got back btw..but now i see u've given up on it 
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Re: FS: 4AGE & 7AFE
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Tue, 12 November 2002 10:04
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Daniel,
Do you have a gearbox to suit a 4A-GE???
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Re: FS: 4AGE & 7AFE
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Tue, 12 November 2002 10:27
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how much for the 7a???
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Re: FS: 4AGE & 7AFE
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Tue, 12 November 2002 12:56
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Sorry no G/B and the 7A is also gone...
Sorry fellas
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Re: FS: 4AGE & 7AFE
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Mon, 25 November 2002 17:01
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that was a blody good deal there, i am shocked that u let that GE package go so cheap. U r a generous man rv rolla......anyways good buy leebroozlee
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Re: FS: 4AGE & 7AFE
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Mon, 25 November 2002 22:18
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Yeah, a few reasons to sell it so cheap/fast. Mainly cause I had to make room in the shed for stuff... It had nothin to do with the fact that I was too lazy to gt off my arse and do the conversion or anything either !
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Re: FS: 4AGE & 7AFE
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Tue, 26 November 2002 15:44
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hehe i know! bargain of the year 
just gotta make sure i make time to do the conversion...haven't heard of anyone in oz building a 7age in a while
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Re: FS: 4AGE & 7AFE
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Tue, 26 November 2002 22:37
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Found this yesterday reading the TOYSPORT tech info....
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http://www.toysport.com/4ag_tech_notes.htm
Stay away from the 7AF to 7AG conversion since the crank is not forged and the flywheel bolts are too small, with no provision available to upgrade. The rods are potential failures also when subjected to real 4AG RPM operation. It is an exercise in creativity but a total sidestep for any real performance-oriented application. If you like the torque of the 7AF, use the complete engine.
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Re: FS: 4AGE & 7AFE
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Tue, 26 November 2002 23:05
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steve... i was going to ask the exact same thing. The FE series motors were built with really lightweight components to improve response and maximise efficiency, and certainly wouldnt be designed for 4ag revving... which really is where the 4ag makes its power mark! i would rather just slap the whole 4ag in ( in know u cant in a newer car)... cos i dont know that there would be much of an advantage to using the 4ag head on a 7afe? From m knowledge the FE was designed to be nothing more than stock - hence no strong cranks, rods etc etc...
Correct me if im wrong... but from the points the Toysport page makes about the 7age conversion and the FE motors in general, they really can't be improved upon.
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Re: FS: 4AGE & 7AFE
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Wed, 27 November 2002 02:36
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just limit yourself to not revving over 7g, i have read that they will be ok unless you start taking it over 7-7500rpm, even though you wont get the full potential out of the ge head, it would still be a nice boost over the FE head.
There is someone out there who makes stronger internals for the 7A, just dunno where !
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Re: FS: 4AGE & 7AFE
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Wed, 27 November 2002 10:51
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http://www.toysport.com/4ag_tech_notes.htm
Stay away from the 7AF to 7AG conversion since the crank is not forged and the flywheel bolts are too small, with no provision available to upgrade. The rods are potential failures also when subjected to real 4AG RPM operation. It is an exercise in creativity but a total sidestep for any real performance-oriented application. If you like the torque of the 7AF, use the complete engine.
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One word.....WRONG!!! Have a couple of these conversions under way and a 7AFE race engine in bits right now. The FIA Homologation papers, and from actually building all these engine, the race engine is the first and getting all the attention now, the crank is in fact FORGED!! Also confirmed by Neal Bates Motorsport, which built Simon Evans Group A RV. The weakness link is in fact the rods, which is what happened to mine(going forged now), Caused by a 10,000 RPM missing of Gear change. Shot peening is always a good Idea, and were also done to this engine, and would be fine for street use. I standard form, @ 7000-7200rpm are the limit compared to a late model 16V 4AGE's 8,000 RPM in modded form. As for proof have been Thrashing this particular engine for the Past two years, to a 7800-7900 rpm redline constantly on both the track and on rallies, and it hadn't missed a beat, til this minor slip up. A few Guys did see the car in action at a wakefield practice day a few months back, and from the feedback I got, many didn't believe is was a 7AFE,until I lifted the bonnet.
Now, the flywheel bolts, the 7A has less of them, but they are the same size and diameter as a 4AGE, So at the RPM I run, they could to shear off the bolts, which has happened when my co-driver decide to go from redline in 3rd gear to 2nd and let the 'box do the braking, So something had to give, and I was happy it was the bolts and not the hard to get/find 6-spd I just put in. All this can simply be over come by having the flywheel dowelled, Which I have done, so there is a 'provision'.
I really think that Toysport hadn't done their homework when the wrote that articile.
Now back on to the 7AFE->7AGE topic, the first, I'm hoping, will be at the next Dyno Day. I should be along with the rally car with it's new engine. It is going to be is a balanced 7A bottom, 4AGE pistons, Mildly ported 16V head and and old microtech D5. It's a low budget test engine, which a good friend is going to run and give feed back on. The 2nd is a 7AFE-> 7A 20V which I trying to decide to what degree I want to take it too and what I'm going to fit it too, ie if I put it in the g/friends car, it will be pretty much the same as the 16V, if I find a car, I will be an all out monster, and possible a 2.0L not a 1.8, yet to decide.
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Re: FS: 4AGE & 7AFE
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Wed, 27 November 2002 11:08
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cool... always good to see people proving other people wrong by damn well doing it!! and doing it well!
very interesting to know that it does in fact work.
This is what the forums are all about... learning something new. Thanks for the info Johnny
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Re: FS: 4AGE & 7AFE
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Wed, 27 November 2002 11:44
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Do you have a gearbox to suit a 4A-GE???
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I do have the gearbox from that engine.... did you want it?
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Re: FS: 4AGE & 7AFE
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Fri, 29 November 2002 06:29
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reading this thread has once again fuelled my continuous amusement at what Toysport consider what you should and shouldnt do to the 4A series engines (and 3SGE's to some degree as well).....rock on Toysport!, keep me laughing! 
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Re: FS: 4AGE & 7AFE
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Fri, 29 November 2002 14:26
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Nicely said Johnny!
Yeah Ray Hall ran his 20V 7A w/ stock crankshaft at 300hp, no probs. When Steve Wright in the USA does 7agze's he just dowell's the flywheel to the same # bolts in the 4A flywheel, custom rods, then changes all the head/main studs to all the ARP products. It ends up a bit pricey but he reckons they're rock solid after all that.
Oh and I got the number for Argo where u can get their super-strong conrods: (02)49347099
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Re: FS: 4AGE & 7AFE
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Sat, 30 November 2002 06:43
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Oh and I got the number for Argo where u can get their super-strong conrods: (02)49347099
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Thanks Paul, I have to give them a call soon as as I get some time!
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rock on Toysport!, keep me laughing!
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Mick, At least I'm not the only one who finds some of there info amusing...
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Re: FS: 4AGE & 7AFE
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Fri, 06 December 2002 06:41
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Johnny: Keep me updatded on the 7a 20v, sounds like a cool project
leebrooze: what is the situation with the rods for sale at agros, what makes em super-strong?
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Re: FS: 4AGE & 7AFE
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Sat, 07 December 2002 02:26
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not a clue
Try giving em a call and ask why you should get theirs instead of modifying stock ones
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Re: FS: 4AGE & 7AFE
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Sun, 12 September 2004 21:34
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what tranny will be using when converting to 7age?
how about the ecu
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