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 AE101 box VS AE92 box (differences in dimensions, flywheel etc)
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Tue, 29 March 2005 15:39
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Yo ppl!
Im after info on the differences between the AE101 and AE92 gearboxes and what is required to get an AE101 -> AE92..
Bolting an AE101 box straight onto 100kw 4AGE
1. THE WITZL kindly informed me that my HD ae92 clutch wont go into my ae101 box due to different clutch face size ( from memory) and im wondering if i can just bolt up an ae101 box to the existing 100kw 4age flywheel/clutch assembly....will this not physically fit due to clutch face/flywheel size or is it to do with the gearbox main spline differing in width or something?
2. If i need to get a new clutch to get the ae101 box on im assuming the existing flywheel has to stay due to requirements for it to mate with the starter motor so im confused....do i just need a new clutch then? (It just doesn't make sense to me if the flywheels are the same)
THANKS HEAPS!
Cars off the road at the moment cause i obliterated driver side CV today, check out general section for vids 
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Re: AE101 box VS AE92 box (differences in dimensions, flywheel etc)
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Wed, 30 March 2005 08:49
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GZE, very different, Normal atmo, only the ratios, casing are the same, as well as flywheel, clutch,etc. So If it is a 20V, Me thinks Karl had a fuzzy moment... Never had a problem switching between them.
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I Supported Toymods
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Re: AE101 box VS AE92 box (differences in dimensions, flywheel etc)
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Thu, 31 March 2005 06:32
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bump
could somsone plz give some clear answers to my mate as we are stuck and need answers asap.....
with the blocks being the same i dont see any issues with changing the box besides possibly the g/box input shaft diameter and possibly clutch fork/p/plate
any1 who has done this plz help us out
cheers
Adam
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Re: AE101 box VS AE92 box (differences in dimensions, flywheel etc)
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Thu, 31 March 2005 13:21
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with the blocks being the same i dont see any issues with changing the box besides possibly the g/box input shaft diameter and possibly clutch fork/p/plate
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Again, all Normally Aspirated 'A' series gearboxes are the same from the AE92-AE112 Only the ratios changed, even the six spd have the same cv's and input shaft sizes. You only have to worry if you have a 4AGZE box which:
1. The input shafts are different (Bigger)
2. CV's are different(Bigger)
3. Different fly wheels
4. Have absolutely crap ratios for Normally Aspirated engines
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I Supported Toymods
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Re: AE101 box VS AE92 box (differences in dimensions, flywheel etc)
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Thu, 31 March 2005 16:37
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Ok Thanks HEAPS Johnny
-Based on what you said i definately have the 4AGZE box.. ie ae101 LSD with the larger drive shafts.
-This means that due to the larger input shaft diameter it wont go into my current clutch assembly...
1. If i buy a ZE clutch will it mate with my current 4AGE flywheel or are they so different that i will definately need to also source a ZE flywheel?? (i don't care about weights etc as long as the hoe fits)
Just to recap : AE101 4AGZE box ----> AE92 100KW 4AGE
Pls let me know ASAP cause i need to get car back on road!
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Re: AE101 box VS AE92 box (differences in dimensions, flywheel etc)
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Fri, 01 April 2005 01:12
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the witzl was referring to the E58 boxes being larger (from 4A-GZE engines)
all C5* boxes are interchangable, with 6spd having different mounts (thanks to bigger external housing). I think all driveshafts are interchangable too.
I think what you are trying to ask is:
Can i replace my AE92 C52 gbox with an AE101 C56 gbox?
In which case the answer is YES. You can keep your existing flywheel and clutch setup (cheap and common - and still very good) and just replace the boxes. AFAIK, the C52 and C56 driveshafts are also interchangeable too 
I hope this clears the confusion.
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Re: AE101 box VS AE92 box (differences in dimensions, flywheel etc)
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Fri, 01 April 2005 01:51
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the witzl should also read what is already posted.
If you have an E58-11C box (LSD), then you SHOULD NOT use this on an amtospheric engine..... you car will become UBER SLOW.
I recommend SELLING your E58 box and buying a 20V C56 box, as it will be CHEAPER, EASIER, and make your car FASTER.
A E58 would do the oposite in every case.
To fit the E58, you need a clutch which has the larger input spline centre. NO you cannot just use a GZE clutch, as this does NOT fit the 4age flywheel, you would have to either get a gze flywheel and gze clutch, or get a custom clutch disc made to suit the larger input spline of the GZE box.
You see my reasoning???
GET THE C56!!!
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I Supported Toymods
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Re: AE101 box VS AE92 box (differences in dimensions, flywheel etc)
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Fri, 01 April 2005 02:15
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This gearbox would be only temporary as he is getting a 4agze from japan therefore this would only be for like 2 months...
so the only thing we would have to change to make it fit would be the clutch and flywheel ...correct?
this would make the car slow but it would bolt up wouldnt it?
thanx guys
Adam
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Re: AE101 box VS AE92 box (differences in dimensions, flywheel etc)
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Fri, 01 April 2005 03:00
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yes it would bolt up...
if he is getting a gze - would he not be getting a f/cut?
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I Supported Toymods
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Re: AE101 box VS AE92 box (differences in dimensions, flywheel etc)
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Fri, 01 April 2005 03:11
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yeah he is ...an ae 111 front cut....but i dont think all the g/boxes on them are lsd....and even so this box was a bargain and yeah...wheels are in motion so this is only to get the car back on the road
Adam
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Re: AE101 box VS AE92 box (differences in dimensions, flywheel etc)
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Fri, 01 April 2005 05:38
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Ok thanks WITZL im gona go ZE clutch & flywheel so i can use it on the front cut when it arrives (cant wait for frontcut b4 i get the car back on road and can't be stuffed wasting money on repairing rooted CV's)
One last thing i need to know about the flywheels...do you know the different diameters of the 4agze flywheels? I need this info b4 ordering the clutch. Where is the best place to source a ZE flywheel...im thinking i may aswell go lightened...any ideas?
Thanks heaps for all the info
-daniel-
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Re: AE101 box VS AE92 box (differences in dimensions, flywheel etc)
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Fri, 01 April 2005 06:55
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two types of gze flywheel - 225 and 230mm - thus two different clutches, and also two different pressure plates.
BTW - AE111 NEVER came with a 4agze. PLEASE get your information correct before posting, it's just making life VERY confusing to try and help.
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Re: AE101 box VS AE92 box (differences in dimensions, flywheel etc)
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Fri, 01 April 2005 08:46
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Ok thanks WITZL!
I guess i have to wait to see what flywheel i get first before ordering clutch...
anyone got a ZE flywheel lying around?
He meant ae101 front cut. our bad
-daniel-
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Re: AE101 box VS AE92 box (differences in dimensions, flywheel etc)
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Fri, 01 April 2005 12:38
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I think all driveshafts are interchangable too.
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Yep, certainly are.
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One last thing i need to know about the flywheels...do you know the different diameters of the 4agze flywheels? I need this info b4 ordering the clutch. Where is the best place to source a ZE flywheel...im thinking i may aswell go lightened...any ideas?
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Hate to say this, but I'm swapping my 6-spd over to and E58,but not the average garden one, It is and earlier version (Not Sure which one, but a few that have seen it say AE92?) hollinger Gear set, TRD clutch LSD (Yes I had it built for N/A). This one actually does or can use a Standard 4AGE,7AFE or any N/A flywheel. ATM Blacktop 20V Light weight, this is bolted to my new engine-> Mild 20V. The clutch kit does consist of an Excedy Four Pluck for a Landcruiser (Fits the shaft perfectly) and A H/D Diaphram for a 4AGE. All looks great and I was thinking to take a few shots, but got lazy. I have no idea what the standard flywheel dia's are and will admit I should! The yoke is a modified C56 item and a few other bits have also been modified ie linkages. I did use this in the past, and never had a problem. So, I'd be putting a tape across a few thing first and you may be lucky... Then to save a bit of cash, buy a 20V Blacktop flywheel, Nice looking bit of gear when cleaned up and try this out.
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Re: AE101 box VS AE92 box (differences in dimensions, flywheel etc)
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Fri, 01 April 2005 13:18
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[quote title=THE WITZL wrote on Fri, 01 April 2005 16:55]two types of gze flywheel - 225 and 230mm - thus two different clutches, and also two different pressure plates.
and you don't want the 230mm as it may be hard to find a clutch
but the 225 is the same as AE95 4x4 corolla and is easy to get.
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Re: AE101 box VS AE92 box (differences in dimensions, flywheel etc)
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Sat, 02 April 2005 02:36
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Nick's Clutch (NPC) in brisbane DOES stock the 230mm clutch, as a recent GZE conversion i did had the 230mm flywheel. Was a bastard to find someone who actually stocked the 230mm as Matt has suggested - even the pressure plate has a bigger PCD by 2.5mm!!
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Re: AE101 box VS AE92 box (differences in dimensions, flywheel etc)
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Sat, 02 April 2005 17:27
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Ok thanks guys.
Does anyone know which of those ZE flywheels (225 , 230mm) will allow the standard 4AGE 100Kw starter motor to work?
ie what is the size of the 4AGE 100kw flywheel?
If the starter motor doesn't line up in my current engine can i just get a ZE starter motor instead?
Otherwise ill be parking ontop of hills until my frontcut arrives
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Re: AE101 box VS AE92 box (differences in dimensions, flywheel etc)
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Sun, 03 April 2005 10:33
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Nick's Clutch (NPC) in brisbane DOES stock the 230mm clutch, as a recent GZE conversion i did had the 230mm flywheel. Was a bastard to find someone who actually stocked the 230mm as Matt has suggested - even the pressure plate has a bigger PCD by 2.5mm!!
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Yup, I've got the 230mm and 252.5mm PCD. Luckily Anthony organised an Exedy HD Unity item for it...
The place that did the machining of the flywheel wanted to know the correct recess depth of this flywheel, unfortunately we couldn't find a single answer... I got told 18mm, 18.5mm etc... In the end I just told them to skim it as close to what it was, which was 17.2 or 17.3mm...
Now, I just did a test bolting of this new clutch setup to the flywheel and the diaphragm tips are slightly raised from being parallel... This is correct I am told.
Anyone know the correct step/recess depth of these flywheels?
Are there any benefits to having this larger flywheel/clutch setup?
Cheers,
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Re: AE101 box VS AE92 box (differences in dimensions, flywheel etc)
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Tue, 03 May 2005 05:50
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if i may slot in a parallel question here on GZE flywheel/clutchfaces..
have a gearbox coming in for an auto-manual conversion for an AW11 GZE. weve been told its an E58 (? in an aw11? possible, but rare) but its equally likely an E51, and its reportedly an LSD box, regardless which the two it is.
anyone know offhand which of the two clutchface sizes these GZE LSD boxes use on their flywheels? the info would be damn useful so i can try and source the correct flywheel/clutch for the fitup. alternatively grinding the auto fly to suit is an option but then again theres that problem of knowing the nmbers for recess etc etc..
Luckily we in brissy as if it needs the 230mm and we also need a clutch for it, well its a good thing Nick's is nearby
thanks in advance
Cheers
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