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IM SORRY, I HATE CARBIES!!!!
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Mon, 11 November 2002 05:13
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Sorry for slagging anyone with a carby in an earlier post,Its just im a lazy Person who cant be stuffed working on crap anymore,
All carbies should burn in hell!!!! well thats my thoughts anyway......sorry...
When will the day come when carbies are obsolete,hopefully in the next 10 years,
If u own efi would u go back to carb........dont think so unless ur 10c short of a dollar..
Id rather cut wires than cut my hands....
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Re: IM SORRY, I HATE CARBIES!!!!
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Mon, 11 November 2002 06:44
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I'm a computer engineer and as a result I'm an electronic injection person, I understand through electronics how an engine works...However I can appreciate and admire the "carby".
You sound like someone who has had a lot of trouble with them and thats ok we all have difficulties with things, I hate electronics sometimes...But you've gotta respect something that is just too good an invention to say that it's "crap"...
Ok so carbies aren't high tech. They were there before and that particular invention still does the job...Without wires...And anything that will be affected by spikes/overheating etc...They all have their ups and downs...
Oh I guess i'm trying to say, it's prolly not a good idea to diss something like that...It may be old but it's still something that one can appreciate.
Dont mean to sound like I'm flaming you which I'm not, just pointing something out.
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Re: IM SORRY, I HATE CARBIES!!!!
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Mon, 11 November 2002 08:33
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Without carbies, what would all the keybangers out there do???
    
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Re: IM SORRY, I HATE CARBIES!!!!
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Mon, 11 November 2002 08:57
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you've broken every rule for "breaking" yourself into a new community
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Re: IM SORRY, I HATE CARBIES!!!!
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Mon, 11 November 2002 09:54
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| mrsmart wrote on Mon, 11 November 2002 19:57 |
you've broken every rule for "breaking" yourself into a new community
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LOL to true.
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Re: IM SORRY, I HATE CARBIES!!!!
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Mon, 11 November 2002 10:11
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damn... get some twin carbs.. some ram tubes... get some awsome induction noise... good shtuff
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Re: IM SORRY, I HATE CARBIES!!!!
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Mon, 11 November 2002 12:16
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Spend a little time working on a motocycle and you will quickly learn that Carbs can still be used to very good effect. I bet my CR has better throttle response than the EFI on your car.
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Re: IM SORRY, I HATE CARBIES!!!!
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Mon, 11 November 2002 12:37
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Let's bolt on a Toyota flywheel to a CR and run the test again 
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No, really - carbies are good.
Anything mechanical that can match head to head a fuel injected engine's max power cannot be all that bad.
Sincerely, A.
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Re: IM SORRY, I HATE CARBIES!!!!
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Mon, 11 November 2002 13:34
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The only plus I see on carbs is that they are easier for larger throttlebodies (and multiple)/more fuel mods by just sticking a larger (or another) carb on.
Easier to tune not being computer controlled too.
But I still prefer my EFI systems.
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Re: IM SORRY, I HATE CARBIES!!!!
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Mon, 11 November 2002 22:39
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As much as I love carbies, I must disagree as it comes to tuning fuel system between efi and twin carbies.
It does require fair amount of technical knowledge and labour to go over a pair of twin carbies to make sure they're alright. Only after that they are ok'd for getting installed on engine.
Working out just perfect emulsion tubes for both, main and idle fuel circuitry will be labour intensive. On top of that we have to find just perfect fuel jets to accompany emulsion tube characteristics. All this we top off with appropriate sized air correction jets. Not to forget accelerator system calibration and jetting. Chokes need to be optimum too, as does fuel pressure.
Fooling around with efi parameters can be time consuming business as well, no doubt about it.
-A.
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Re: IM SORRY, I HATE CARBIES!!!!
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Mon, 11 November 2002 23:18
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congratulations d1ckface, you have just got on the nerves of at least 30% of this wonderful community here!  where we normally apreciate everything for what it is, and rather than slag it willy nilly, we say yes its good, but i think this is better because this.
Im sorry mate, but from now on you have lost all respect with me, and probably 90% of the people here. well done!  d!ck.
myeslf i have owned both carby and EFI, in the forms of a 1.6L N13 pulsar, a 4afe powered rolla, an 18rgu powered RA28, and an 18rc powered RA28 celica..... and to tell you the thruth.... im in love with the 18rgu.
And yep, you guessed it... ITS CARBY
i think you've had some bad experiences with carby's, yes they are old hat, and a bastard to tune at times.... but they work mate! and damn well too! if i can acheive over 100kW (at fly) with 2 cams, 2L, 8 valves and TWO CARBYS..... and 25 year old technology!
now u people who have owned and driven a twin weber fed motor know the ROAR im talking about. can't emulate that on EFI very easily, if at all
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Re: IM SORRY, I HATE CARBIES!!!!
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Mon, 11 November 2002 23:54
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im in love with twin webbers
they have the best sound in the world.
my mate had an 18RGU with twin carbies and it ROARED when u pushed it flat...
and it wasnt TOOOOOOOOO bad on petrol, if u drove it right
i got another friend with a 2TGUE and its efi, naturally, and it dont go to great..
hes always havin fuel problems
it over heats because one of the sensors isnt workin properly
it sounds bad and on the hole id have to say that its unfixable... but i would rather go carby anyday, on an old school car
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Re: IM SORRY, I HATE CARBIES!!!!
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Tue, 12 November 2002 00:05
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Ah ha.. Thats one way to get some back hairs spiked up!!
Ok witzl, I recently sold a datsun 1600 rally car that had twin webbers, high compression motor. I have to admit that it was a blast in the pants,But the rally car was taken to the rally on a trailer, It used to get thrashed at 9000rpm for a long time it was great,take it back to service try and start the fuggin thing and u get a tempramental bastard.It was good flat out... For street it was crap..
My good friend had a motor built to the same specs,same crank,rods,pistons,head but with efi. His mother or girlfriend has no trouble getting in the car and driving it to the shop,or better yet it has no qualms being revved past its limit it also made an extra 38rwhp to make 206 rwhp, sounds unbelievable i know but true, i have to admit it cost nearly $6000 after all his dyno time ,But i also know of a fella that owns a 1600 sprintcar with a 2ltr, in the class he can not use efi or mechanical injec,he races against big block v8's ,he has a carby that cost him $18,000 after being modified in the states for methanol and this poor guy still has not reached 200rwhp
So witzl i think ur the DICK and i dont really care if i offended anybody,I now own a r32 gtr skyline and a 1j soarer that will keep me happy,At least i know that they will always when i want it to,not its not gunna start because of some unbeknown factor.. I would not goback if you payed me..
Once again youngy i will race you any day , bring your r1 or hayabusa,ur gunna need it,How can a carb have better throttle response than efi,when with the latest systems you can tune a mixture for EVERY single rpm mmmmm i think i know who has better throttle response.....
Anyway im sure i have caused enough stress by now, And WITZL i think ur the dick, i dont come hear to gain respect,i come hear to gain knowledge,Watchout on that pee-wee you might just swallow it.......
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Re: IM SORRY, I HATE CARBIES!!!!
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Tue, 12 November 2002 00:16
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| THE WITZL wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 10:18 |
now u people who have owned and driven a twin weber fed motor know the ROAR im talking about. can't emulate that on EFI very easily, if at all
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Hmmm, multi throttle body EFI sounds the same, and you get all the relative simplicity of EFI. My opinion.
That said, I agree entirely with your sentiments. Some people can't afford, don't like or don't want EFI. That's their prerogative, and not for some brainless twit to decide.
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Re: IM SORRY, I HATE CARBIES!!!!
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Tue, 12 November 2002 01:16
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well... here we go...
people are entitled to their own opinion, just as you are, and i am. Howvere people who wish to push their opinion on other people are a complete waste of time, and dont deserve the knowledge that this FRIENDLY forum provides.
There are people in this world who like to push their views and opinions on others, they are called Facists, Fundamentalists, and amoung them you have the Taliban. They way you are behaving is tending towards these types of people.
Anyway, i like EFI for what it has to offer, but similarly i like my carby's for what they have to offer - keeping my classic celica in the era it was made!
and when we are talking about motorbikes.. there is no way an EFI system on such a small engine can match the trottle response of a carby.... there is just too much lag in the sensors, processing and electronic signals.
Im no motorbike buff, thats just what im assuming.
As far as the peewee comment goes mate. At least i know how to have fun and enjoy myself. Obviously this is something you are deprived of.
GiantTomato - yeah mate i forgot about quad trottle bodies on efi's... but they are pretty expensive, and usually require aftermarket computers to control them properly. (with AFM style engines)
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Re: IM SORRY, I HATE CARBIES!!!!
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Tue, 12 November 2002 01:23
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whats a throtle body?
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Re: IM SORRY, I HATE CARBIES!!!!
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Tue, 12 November 2002 02:05
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and when we are talking about motorbikes.. there is no way an EFI system on such a small engine can match the trottle response of a carby.... there is just too much lag in the sensors, processing and electronic signals.
Im no motorbike buff, thats just what im assuming.
Gee i would hate to see a computer that slow ,it takes time for the computer to gather info from all the sensors and then process it , But it can do this thousands of times in a second.
There is no way ANY carby is as quick as efi to react,thus why efi will provide better all round applications..
As for keeping cars classic  die hard classic rally fans will be hating me...
As for being part of the taliban, what a stupid comment to make you were the dick that read this post in the first place, I am not pushing my beliefs on anybody and if i am, u r a weak individual, Towards WHAT TYPE OF PEOPLE , are u racist, are u pauline hansons brother,Im sure thier are a LOT of ethnic people using this site that dont want to be reffered to,
Dont bring race or religion or beliefs into this,
Otherwise u will be the dick......
READ: I AM NOT PUSHING MY BELIEFS ON ANYONE, CLICKED THE MOUSE BUTTON TO READ THIS,INTURN,IT WAS YOUR CHOICE.....
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Tue, 12 November 2002 02:20
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its amazing how much of a difference eating can make to your mood.... hmmm, donuts....
ok, well... like i said im no buff on this sorta thing, its just from what i've experienced. like i said, EFI has its advantages, and yes they are pretty big advantages. but i like the carby's hanging off the side of my 25 year old car, they match the classique-ness of the car.
and just so you know, at no point was i racist, nor am i racist or biggotist. I am just a guy. if i did offend anyone with my comments, i appologise to them.... but im sure if they read my post properly and grasped the context with which i made those comments, they would understand that its wasnt really discriminatory to any peaceful race/religion.
anyway. I would recommend that in future mate, cast your opinions yes. Cast ridicule off the bat, NO. This is what ryaled me up.
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Re: IM SORRY, I HATE CARBIES!!!!
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Tue, 12 November 2002 02:50
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I GIVE IN
Sorry to all offended
Im the dick
c c c c carbies are OK...
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Re: IM SORRY, I HATE CARBIES!!!!
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Tue, 12 November 2002 03:16
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cool.. now lets get to some nice posting... sorry to have a serve at ya mate
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Re: IM SORRY, I HATE CARBIES!!!!
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Tue, 12 November 2002 04:42
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Can I still have that race. I don't care if I loose, I just like racing..........
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Re: IM SORRY, I HATE CARBIES!!!!
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Tue, 12 November 2002 11:49
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is it rice racing??
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Re: IM SORRY, I HATE CARBIES!!!!
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Tue, 12 November 2002 12:21
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nothing but long grain!.......
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Re: IM SORRY, I HATE CARBIES!!!!
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Wed, 13 November 2002 00:47
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awww, no jasmine? 
SUNRICE!!
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Re: IM SORRY, I HATE CARBIES!!!!
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Wed, 13 November 2002 03:12
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I look at a fuel injected engine and I get confused. I've only ever worked on and driven cars with Carbie's so they don't worry me. I can't wait to get my celica on the road that has the webber. I think that will be a good car to drive!
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Re: IM SORRY, I HATE CARBIES!!!!
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Wed, 13 November 2002 06:22
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I still get off on the sound of my carbies when i put the foot down ahhhhhhhh the sound of my costly fuel being sucked into the engine just about gives me an orgy
if this is how you treat carbies then how do you treat your parent's? if it wasn't for your parent's you wouldn't be here now and wouldn't have what you got now, if it wasn't for carbie's you wouldn't have your beloved efi, respect your history,
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Wed, 13 November 2002 07:30
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jasmine , longgrain , what the !! are we getting into RICEISM HERE!!
as for this lovely debate - both are good depending on what you want - oldschool - carbies all the way - multiple webers , hollies , dominators - are ALL GOOD! goota love the induction roar - and its true - nothing sounds better than a hungry weber or two sucking down your go juice
Efi is much nicer IMHO if you want turbboz or just an average mum and dad run about - yes to tunability - yes to multiple settings at the flick of a switch - but its still powered by a pc - and if the pc goes ACK and does - you aint going anywhere !
carbies - its usualy a case of replace a cable - tighten a screw - or something pretty simple - much more user friendly for the enthusiast who likes to tinker .. Im sure not many out there have a plug in EFI reprogrammer they can whack out ona weekend to tinkwer with settings - you'd probably end up playing pacman - while trying to adjust the o2 levels , or find a secret bonus level to the EFI fuel mapping
as for comparisons - Im happy to say theres old carbyfied cars like mine - that will still happily spank the pants out of many modern 4 cyl cars - with no computer assistance .. refinement my have improved - but the gains are still exactly the same in the right hands ... just look at tinas ex porn car celica - 3tg Hybrid -twin dellorto carbies - and STILL holds the title over 4age's and other 2tgeu's that are all EFI ..
put THAT in yer pipe and smoke it
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Re: IM SORRY, I HATE CARBIES!!!!
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Wed, 13 November 2002 08:52
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i think its all about the noise
carbies sound great, especially twin carbies i love that gurgling noise
but as for efi vs carbies
if you are talking STOCK carbies vs STOCK efi, then of course efi is going to be a much nicer smoother ride, although the carbie may have a better top end, MARGINALLY
if you are talking modified as in webbers (not stock) vs modified efi (aftermarket ecu and injectors) the efi will win all over if it is tuned properly, ive never heard of a ecu 'losing' its settings and going berserk for no reason, yeah they can die eventually but so can carbies and they need regular re-tuning
my 3tgte over 25years old computer has no problems but my 2tg hybrid needs the carbies tuned every 8-10 months or so, of course all carbies do
so its not a matter of performance i dont think just the sound of it all, go the twin carbies, i love you
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Wed, 13 November 2002 09:18
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| freaky wrote on Tue, 12 November 2002 11:23 |
whats a throtle [SIC] body?
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It's only funny if you quoted the original mistake properly.
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GiantTomato - yeah mate i forgot about quad trottle [SIC] bodies on efi's... but they are pretty expensive, and usually require aftermarket computers to control them properly. (with AFM style engines)
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Re: IM SORRY, I HATE CARBIES!!!!
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Thu, 14 November 2002 00:28
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ok, so i cant spell!!
yeah what these dudes said above here... a much more level headed argument than my previous dribble.
i like my webers. I like the fact that my RA28 will put shit on a lots of the Ricey lancers and whatnot out there. Its pretty funny when a bloke with some mag wheels and an exhaust sides up next to me at a set of lights, hears my throbbing baby... an gives his rice mobile a rev [WAAAA- it goes].... i just sit there. Lights go green i flog his pants off until i hit the speed limit... and then u wait for him and his inferiority complex to drive past at 100kmh....
Anyway, thats getting a bit off topic. But yes, i like webers. But after having driven my old CSi AE92 just yesterday, i do appreciate the reliability of the EFI.
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Re: IM SORRY, I HATE CARBIES!!!!
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Thu, 14 November 2002 01:17
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heheh, thats the joke isnt that he misspelled it,
the joke is that i dont actually kno what a throttle body is
i'm not mechanically orientated
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Re: IM SORRY, I HATE CARBIES!!!!
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Thu, 14 November 2002 02:20
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lol.... silly bugger
ok fair enough about the small engine EFI... i was taking a punt.. since its my experience that smal engine EFI has slow response compared to small engine carby
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Thu, 14 November 2002 04:30
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did you get the experience for the punt with that pewee in your avitar?
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Re: IM SORRY, I HATE CARBIES!!!!
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Thu, 14 November 2002 05:44
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maybe..... 
well actually no... that was from the Sydney Motor Show
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Fri, 15 November 2002 07:40
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I LOVE EFI, currently running a 2t with corona carby,
soon to be 2TG-EU, E stands for ELECTRONIC FUEL INJECTION
HE HE, im not saying that carbys are CRAP, im just saying that being a autoelectritian has its advantages.
JUZZO
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