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470hp conversion or sell ma61 Sun, 03 April 2005 12:47 Go to next message

ma61 conversion or sell[ 41 vote(s) ]
1.do conversion 29 / 71%
2.sell ma61 12 / 29%

i'm in a bit of a pickle here. i bought the ma70 supra from importbitz with a shitload of mods. the plan was to put the engine/gearbox and anything else i could use from it into my ma61. i've heard a few people say to keep the ma70 though. i'm putting up a poll for this and i'd like to hear what people have to say about it. i'll answer any questions aswell.
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Sun, 03 April 2005 12:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
sell it.

470hp could be better in a jza80 Very Happy!
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Sun, 03 April 2005 13:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
470hp in an MA61 Shocked Shocked Shocked FUCK ME!!! keep the MA61.. i was thinking of selling mine but they are way to good to sell!!
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 00:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
sell the ma61! the ma70 shits all over a ma61, it maybe heavyer but the suspension design, better brakes and comfort really show how old the ma61 is.
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 00:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ma61 shits all over ma70 in looks department.
ma70 is an fat old mans cruiser
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 00:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
you own a fooking nissan! like your opinion counts Razz
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 01:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
STR8 2.8 wrote on Mon, 04 April 2005 10:14

ma61 shits all over ma70 in looks department.
ma70 is an fat old mans cruiser


i second that.. but since i own na MA61 my oppion does count Laughing
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 01:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
TRD_Supra wrote on Mon, 04 April 2005 11:00

STR8 2.8 wrote on Mon, 04 April 2005 10:14

ma61 shits all over ma70 in looks department.
ma70 is an fat old mans cruiser


i second that.. but since i own na MA61 my oppion does count Laughing


nah but your from tazzy so you probably think the ma61 looks just as sexy as your sister Razz
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 01:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ma70 with 470hp > ma61 with 470hp.

Once you do the conversion then you'll have to muck around with brakes/suspension etc which be a waste of time since you already have an ma70 with better suspension geometery, large brakes, better interior (IMHO) and a shitload stronger than the ma61. The ma61 will be quicker though (provided you can get the power to the ground). I'll say if you do the conversion about half-way through you'll realise what a WAFTAM it was and regret not keeping the ma70.
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 01:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
MA61.... all the way. Easy to upgrade the brakes and suspension. MA70s are just Jap Trans Am..... all be it better ones.
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 01:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
why do you think i sold my MA61..?
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 01:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
rsdeo wrote on Mon, 04 April 2005 09:12

MA61.... all the way. Easy to upgrade the brakes and suspension. MA70s are just Jap Trans Am..... all be it better ones.


ahhh but dont you remember in the 80s when you used to see them with some greasy haired wog behind the wheel and some HOT ASS in the passenger seat! its all about the pulling power! Very Happy
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 01:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
hamgatan wrote on Sun, 03 April 2005 21:16

rsdeo wrote on Mon, 04 April 2005 09:12

MA61.... all the way. Easy to upgrade the brakes and suspension. MA70s are just Jap Trans Am..... all be it better ones.


ahhh but dont you remember in the 80s when you used to see them with some greasy haired wog behind the wheel and some HOT ASS in the passenger seat! its all about the pulling power! Very Happy


Interesting choice of words.... seems your avatar is a little misleading.

I've owned an MA61 and two MA67's in the '80s. All at the same time. Still own the one MA67 and will not give it up for even a JZ80.

Remember these cars had parts that were good enough to be used by Lotus and Lotus did some development work on them.
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 01:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Allan wrote on Mon, 04 April 2005 11:11

TRD_Supra wrote on Mon, 04 April 2005 11:00

STR8 2.8 wrote on Mon, 04 April 2005 10:14

ma61 shits all over ma70 in looks department.
ma70 is an fat old mans cruiser


i second that.. but since i own na MA61 my oppion does count Laughing


nah but your from tazzy so you probably think the ma61 looks just as sexy as your sister Razz


That is just lame.. Mad
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 01:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
i meant the trans-am, not the MA61 Very Happy
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 01:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
MA70 are very trans am and boaty and heavy Laughing Very Happy
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 01:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sell the MA61. Much as I love it, it'll probably prove too much of a hassle to convert everything over... and as was mentioned, you'd definitely need better brakes, tyres, suspensions etc etc.
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 02:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
yeah, the brakes are just so hard, since there's a z32/r33 brake upgrade kit going around, which costs less than $100 on top of the usual prices (calipers, rotors, pads)
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 02:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
MA61 = teh win, IF you're willing to do all the other necessary upgrades, ie brakes suspension and maybe drivetrain. I can tell you from experience 400hp is SCARY in a stock MA61, and 470 will be close to suicidal. However as Draven has suggested it's not hard to upgrade to something that will walk all over an MA70, if you're willing to put in the effort that is.

I might add that an MA70 will need upgrades to handle that sort of power in a safe and competent fashion. Sure those brakes are bigger but the car is substantially heavier as well... a big brake swap would be well advised. Ditto for the suspenion, it's fine for a stocker but double the power and everything changes.
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 02:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
you know you want teh TEMS.. Very Happy
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 03:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
MA61 all the way.. if u have to work on them u might as well put in a little more effort and get the MA61 upto speed!!!
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 03:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
double wishbone > Mcpherson strut and trailing arm
16inch wheels > 14inch
5 years younger design
aero dynamics
larger diff

factory fitted with 7m

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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 05:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Allan wrote on Mon, 04 April 2005 11:43

double wishbone > Mcpherson strut and trailing arm
16inch wheels > 14inch
5 years younger design
aero dynamics
larger diff

factory fitted with 7m

Suspension is better in MA70 yes, MA61 with kings, tokico and bushes is just awesoe though.
Wheels can be upgraded
Since when is newer better?
I'd say MA61 aero dynamics are the same as MA70
G series diff is better but nothing is wrong with F series.

factory fitted 7m just means factory fitted BHG

MA61 is lighter, cheaper parts.

Do the conversion, buy a cheap 7mge, drop it in, and sell the MA70.

[Updated on: Mon, 04 April 2005 05:25]

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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 06:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ah good now we have ourselves a good old fashion debate. these are the brake and sus upgrades in the ma70
JIC coilover shocks
FRONT BRAKE KITS FROM R32
Project Mu rocket brake rotor Front
brake pad project Mu rocket HC titanium
R brake pad for Supra endless
trust Front tower bar
CUSCO R tower bar
Front aftermarket stabilizer bar
rear hatch tower bar
now how convenient there is already a brake upgrade for the ma61.
drive system mechanical LSD(Toyota factory part)
not sure if this will fit in the ma61 though
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 06:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
umm if you dont want the JIC's PM me with a price for them!! im looking for some at the moment!
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 07:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
i say keep the ma70.. either way ur not gonna get power down.. the ma70 is a hell of alot sexier with a way newer interior..
but the main reason id keep it in the ma70 rather than doing a converison to the ma61.. is cause its easier
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 07:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
take the ma70 for a drive and then take the ma61, that should clear things up

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[Updated on: Mon, 04 April 2005 07:31]

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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 07:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Allan wrote on Mon, 04 April 2005 15:30

take the ma70 for a drive and then take the ma61, that should clear things up

Yeah, GREAT comparison there.
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 07:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
CrUZsida wrote on Mon, 04 April 2005 17:32

Allan wrote on Mon, 04 April 2005 15:30

take the ma70 for a drive and then take the ma61, that should clear things up

Yeah, GREAT comparison there.



just puttering around town not using the extra power available just a day-to-day commute, that ma61 will be for sale faster then you can say shitbox.

tim you have driven my ma70 hows it compare to your ma61?
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 07:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
How can you honestly compare a car, with 2k+ worth of suspension, and 470hp, to a car with 20yearold suspension, and 140hp?

You can't.

And the difference if both were stock, and in as new condition would be minimal, if ANY difference.
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 07:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
CrUZsida wrote on Mon, 04 April 2005 17:37

How can you honestly compare a car, with 2k+ worth of suspension, and 470hp, to a car with 20yearold suspension, and 140hp?

You can't.

And the difference if both were stock, and in as new condition would be minimal, if ANY difference.


my ma70 has new TEMS shockers and tims ma61 has new inserts the ma70 hangs on and has much more feel then any ma61 i have been in with maybe more under-steer dialed in from factory being the only disadvantage, you cant even adjust rear camber on the ma61 without major fucking about. the MA45's 5-link solid rear is probably superior in many ways to the ma61's IRS and is at least easily upgraded to G series

the ma61 is a nice car but no way would i hack up a perfect already modified ma70 just to do up an ma61 its like that LPG JZA80 thread an exercise in fucking about
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 08:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Allan wrote on Mon, 04 April 2005 15:58

my ma70 has new TEMS shockers and tims ma61 has new inserts the ma70 hangs on and has much more feel then any ma61 i have been in with maybe more under-steer dialed in from factory being the only disadvantage

Go for a ride in Glens and you'll change your mind.

Stock for stock the only difference between the two is that the MA70 has double wishbone, but the MA61's lack of an extra 300kg will more than make up for that.

And don't bother talking about TEMS.
A good set of off the shelf gear will drill TEMS any day.
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 08:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
just drop your pants and compare fellas Razz
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 08:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Go for a ride in Glens and you'll change your mind.

Stock for stock the only difference between the two is that the MA70 has double wishbone, but the MA61's lack of an extra 300kg will more than make up for that.

And don't bother talking about TEMS.
A good set of off the shelf gear will drill TEMS any day.



Confused Confused Confused Confused

Im going to have to agree with teh 7m lovers here.

Sell the 61 if you have a budget in mind, or be prepared to pay another imported supra price tag for the mods needed to get the 61 happening, just ask norbie how much his 61 has set him back.

Alternatively, put another motor into the 61. If you put a GE back into the ma70, the resale on it will be smashed compared to what you paid for it, plus you cant use all the suspension.

I am in the same situation, i have the above mentioned worked 61 and a worked mz21 on a boat very shortly, and im considering my options, swapping the gear across in my opinion makes it a costly exercise that i will only lose money from.
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 08:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
BlackSupra wrote on Mon, 04 April 2005 16:18

[I am in the same situation, i have the above mentioned worked 61 and a worked mz21 on a boat very shortly, and im considering my options, swapping the gear across in my opinion makes it a costly exercise that i will only lose money from.

MZ21 vs MA61 I'd take the MZ21.

But the MA70 just looks like an ass when compared the MA61.
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 08:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message


Go teh 61 Evil or Very Mad


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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 08:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
MA61 i agree
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 08:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
i would have bought a ma70 in the first place but i don't like the extra puppy fat it carrys around. my budget will be a problem as now i've spent it all on getting the car in the first place.

another problem is getting it registered on the road.

i do however have one person interested in the shell of the ma70 and hamgatan is interested in the coilovers. maybe i could get some money back
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 08:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
TRD_Supra wrote on Mon, 04 April 2005 18:26

MA61 i agree


Buy a 7m.
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 08:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Damn Glen that post is based on legitimate logic.

I really don't know what to think anymore.

On the topic though, it would be a shame to strip down a nicely modified MA70 for the weight reduction of a MA61 when you can't use all of the parts.
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 08:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
If you go the 61 you will need to address as a minimum:

springs, shocks, bushes, diff, tailshaft, rotors, calipers, rims, tyres, gearbox, tranny tunnel.

That would be just to accept the 7m and have a car capable of holding up to those stresses!
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 08:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joshstix wrote on Mon, 04 April 2005 18:29

Damn Glen that post is based on legitimate logic.

I really don't know what to think anymore.



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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 08:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
CrUZsida wrote on Mon, 04 April 2005 15:24

... MA61 is lighter, cheaper parts.

Do the conversion, buy a cheap 7mge, drop it in, and sell the MA70.

I do admit that the MA61 is lighter, but I have receipts as thick as the bible... they are not cheap (especially dealing with Toyota as generic parts aren't avaliable).

I am planning in the future (way in the distance) for a transplant but I am in 2 minds about it even though I have fueling problems with the 5M-E, otherwise it's still going fine.

Allan wrote on Mon, 04 April 2005 17:35

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tim you have driven my ma70 hows it compare to your ma61?

Yes I have driven the MA70 which is relatively stock and have driven the MA61 (stock as well) they are both different and depending in what you want, I could write a small list of plus and minus of both cars but I don't want to be badgered in what I state. All I am going to say is that both cars are different in their repect, just choose one that you think is right and be happy with it.

If I had a choice would love to own these three models MA61, MA70 & MA71 (All Australian Spec. and Delivered Version) if I could afford it...
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 08:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ZZT231 wrote on Mon, 04 April 2005 16:38

CrUZsida wrote on Mon, 04 April 2005 15:24

... MA61 is lighter, cheaper parts.

Do the conversion, buy a cheap 7mge, drop it in, and sell the MA70.

I do admit that the MA61 is lighter, but I have receipts as thick as the bible... they are not cheap (especially dealing with Toyota as generic parts aren't avaliable).

I said cheaper, not cheap.

And 90% of the consumables on an MA61 can be gotten aftermarket, or if not, they are usually pretty cheap from Toyota.

Its only the nitpicking MA61 specific interior/body bits that are pricey from Toyota.
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 08:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ZZT231 wrote on Mon, 04 April 2005 18:38

CrUZsida wrote on Mon, 04 April 2005 15:24

... MA61 is lighter, cheaper parts.

Do the conversion, buy a cheap 7mge, drop it in, and sell the MA70.

I do admit that the MA61 is lighter, but I have receipts as thick as the bible... they are not cheap (especially dealing with Toyota as generic parts aren't avaliable).

I am planning in the future (way in the distance) for a transplant but I am in 2 minds about it even though I have fueling problems with the 5M-E, otherwise it's still going fine...

What I mean that doesn't matter, if it's a MA61, MA70 or MA71 they are all expensive no matter where you look for parts...

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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 08:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Spence wrote on Mon, 04 April 2005 18:28

i would have bought a ma70 in the first place but i don't like the extra puppy fat it carrys around. my budget will be a problem as now i've spent it all on getting the car in the first place.

another problem is getting it registered on the road.

i do however have one person interested in the shell of the ma70 and hamgatan is interested in the coilovers. maybe i could get some money back
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Do you intend on getting it engineered with the 470hp motor? With that much power pumping out of the 7m, you can bet its got lots of aftermarket goodies hanging off it. And Vicroads/RTA/Regency don't like those 'goodies' too much. Just think about the insurance on the MA70... then super modified MA61.. *shudders*
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 08:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Yian wrote on Mon, 04 April 2005 16:48

Just think about the insurance on the MA70... then super modified MA61.. *shudders*

Doesn't matter which car its on, insurance is gonna be a reeming.
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 08:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Yian wrote on Mon, 04 April 2005 18:48

...Do you intend on getting it engineered with the 470hp motor? With that much power pumping out of the 7m, you can bet its got lots of aftermarket goodies hanging off it. And Vicroads/RTA/Regency don't like those 'goodies' too much. Just think about the insurance on the MA70... then super modified MA61.. *shudders*

I agree with Yian, insurance is a problem and also the local road authorities... Why do people think I haven't upgraded my motor yet (hint - age has something to do with it - Damn 'P' Plate drivers.)?

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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 08:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
yeah see that is the main concern i may be forced to go down the conversion road because i might not be able to get the 70 registered. already having the 61 registered ill just have to bide my time til i get defected or something.
one small advantage i have is that i'm on a rating 3 at the spritely age of 20 so insurance won't bend me over and take advantage of me so harshly.
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 09:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
yeh as i said if ur goin to strip it, i want first dibs on the coilover and both strut tower braces.. im in the market for them at the moment! and ill pay up to $1400 for a good set of those items!
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 10:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I just wanna retort to the 'more feel in an ma70' part by allan.
What fucking ma61 have you been driving.. although ive only driven an MZ20 and an MZ10 but thats exactly the same as ma70 and ma61.
My mz10 has a CRAP load more feel through the wheel
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 10:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jag7799 wrote on Mon, 04 April 2005 20:04

I just wanna retort to the 'more feel in an ma70' part by allan.
What fucking ma61 have you been driving.. although ive only driven an MZ20 and an MZ10 but thats exactly the same as ma70 and ma61.
My mz10 has a CRAP load more feel through the wheel


I have driven Tim's MA61, Ed's MA61, extensively driven a former mates MA61, and owned an RA40 and MA45's with the same front end, McPherson struts are cheap and nasty no if's but's or maybe's combined with the trailing arm rear there is only so much you can do cost effectively with the ma61 - the MA70 on the other hand has a wide range of coil over and shocker replacements available cheaply
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 10:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ma61 handling is tops!

mind you i also like getting my wang caught in a blender..

no seriously. you could have tokico's and strut braces galore, but ma61's only handle well if you change the blimmin steering rack. period.
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 10:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
good thing mine has been rebuilt Smile
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 10:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Allan wrote on Mon, 04 April 2005 20:32

...I have driven Tim's MA61, Ed's MA61, extensively driven a former mates MA61, and owned an RA40 and MA45's with the same front end, McPherson struts are cheap and nasty no if's but's or maybe's combined with the trailing arm rear there is only so much you can do cost effectively with the ma61 - the MA70 on the other hand has a wide range of coil over and shocker replacements available cheaply
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I can concur that Allan has driven my car Nod If you think my car handles like a boat or an army tank... That is your opinion as my car is stock (as much as I can afford) Rolling Eyes

MA61's suspension were tuned by Eric Chapman (Associated with Lotus)*I Think*

*I invite you when you (Jag7799) are in my end of the woods to jump into my MA61 and take it for a drive*

Cheers.

* Edit - Quote of wrong person...

[Updated on: Mon, 04 April 2005 10:53]

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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 10:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
tuned - i can see it now some desperado engineer is paid $2000 to say he picked the spring rates and then thay got dummed down for the masses Razz
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 10:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ZZT231 wrote on Mon, 04 April 2005 20:50

Allan wrote on Mon, 04 April 2005 20:32

...I have driven Tim's MA61, Ed's MA61, extensively driven a former mates MA61, and owned an RA40 and MA45's with the same front end, McPherson struts are cheap and nasty no if's but's or maybe's combined with the trailing arm rear there is only so much you can do cost effectively with the ma61 - the MA70 on the other hand has a wide range of coil over and shocker replacements available cheaply
*

I can concur that Allan has driven my car Nod If you think my car handles like a boat or an army tank... That is your opinion as my car is stock (as much as I can afford) Rolling Eyes

MA61's suspension were tuned by Eric Chapman (Associated with Lotus)*I Think*

*I invite you when you (Jag7799) are in my end of the woods to jump into my MA61 and take it for a drive*

Cheers.

* Edit - Quote of wrong person...


What i was saying is that an ma61 to me had way more feel through the steering wheel of what the car was doing than an ma70.. and i dont need to drive a stock ma61, cause ive driven my stock gz10.. which is exactly the same

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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 11:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Well 90% of people on here with MZ10's and MA61's will never experence a corner "properly" nether drift nor drag requires great handling, Ed's maybe an exception but I was not about to fang his car around dubbo hard enough to experance the cornering his negitive camber is set for (11 on the oh-fuck-o-meter)

Im interested in what you have to say ed im shure you have probably delved deeper into the ma61's suspension then anyone else.

Allan
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 11:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Allan wrote on Mon, 04 April 2005 21:02

Well 90% of people on here with MZ10's and MA61's will never experence a corner "properly" nether drift nor drag requires great handling, Ed's maybe an exception but I was not about to fang his car around dubbo hard enough to experance the cornering his negitive camber is set for (11 on the oh-fuck-o-meter)

Im interested in what you have to say ed im shure you have probably delved deeper into the ma61's suspension then anyone else.

Allan

while my upgrades are rather budget conscious they still have improved the handling a lot.
thats mainly what i use my car for, i dont really are for either drift nor drag in my car.
ive taken the mountain run around mt glorious at speed with my car and it hasnt screwed me yet. it just sticks to the road like all hell.
my mate had an mz20 with all the stops, coilovers etc and i wouldnt have said it handled any better than my mz10 what it has
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Re: 470hp conversion or sell ma61 Mon, 04 April 2005 12:00 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Allan wrote on Mon, 04 April 2005 21:02

Well 90% of people on here with MZ10's and MA61's will never experence a corner "properly" nether drift nor drag requires great handling, Ed's maybe an exception but I was not about to fang his car around dubbo hard enough to experance the cornering his negitive camber is set for (11 on the oh-fuck-o-meter)

Im interested in what you have to say ed im shure you have probably delved deeper into the ma61's suspension then anyone else.

Allan


What is the definition of a proper corner experience?

With tokicos, standard height king springs, rear strut brace, PU bushes, rebuilt steering rack, JZ power steering pump and 16's with decent rubber, the 61 is a fairly well handling car... i reckon i have been to the place of corner experience.

Sway bars would be taking it to the next level of handling, but it would then be a snap oversteer machine!

And if i had any more rear neg camber, id want shares in a tyre company.
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