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Tue, 23 August 2005 03:24
 
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Och! Cruz where to start!  
Many have kept logs of their conversion, Merudo will be one with his (look forward to that) and I think Wilbo kept a log.
One of the main things is i dont want to ask the same questions over and over again (so i'll write them down  ) but more, I hate asking a question, not understanding the answer, and having to ask it again. See I barely know where to start with questions so how about:
1JZGTE (with manual gearbox) into an MZ12 - what steps involved?
dont worry about to much detail just yet, ballpark it.
Engine and transmission out, new engine mounts in, 1jz and gearbox go in? Somehow, I don't think it would be that easy.
What kinda of snags am I likely to come up against?
What are the difficulties in hooking up the gearbox for the 1jz, do the mz12 soarer?
Christ, I know everyone starts out at some point feeling as dumb as I do, tres frustrating though.
oh and wilbo! I OVERHEATED MY 6MGEU! think back to your journal on your conversion - Yes Phyro got teh blinking heat gauge!
Should also mention I most likely will have the benefit of a mechanics help - and his shop. Dunno if that means much.
cheers for the patience
Phyro
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 23 August 2005 03:28
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| Phyro wrote on Tue, 23 August 2005 11:24 |
1JZGTE (with manual gearbox) into an MZ12 - what steps involved?
dont worry about to much detail just yet, ballpark it.
Engine and transmission out, new engine mounts in, 1jz and gearbox go in? Somehow, I don't think it would be that easy.
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Few options here.
Buy JZX81/90 front cut, or by JZZ30/JZA70 front cut and a separate front sump.
Buy 2JZGE manual gear (bellhousing, flywheel etc)
Source W5x gearbox, crossmember, tailshaft from MA61
Buy Bonneyville JZA61 mounts
Buy RA65 p/s lines from wrecker
Bolt in, wire up, measure radiator/heater hoses. Buy
Get IC piping/zorst piping
Drive, enjoy.
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 23 August 2005 03:42
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Love your work!
Will be in touch with more specific questions later, for now, i gotta do some statistical work for a stupid subject that i didnt even want to do. bloody bollocks to uni and their compulsory subjects. least the girls are hot. 
Hey Cruz, what DO you do?
And how did those wheelarches go, someone was organising them for the '20 soarers
-Phyro
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 23 August 2005 03:44
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Sorry I know I dont belong here, but if you need help  I'm always glad to lend a hand in conversions.
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 23 August 2005 03:45
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| rvrolla wrote on Mon, 22 August 2005 17:11 |
Indian, seriously mate, search before posting. All these questions have all been covered in the past - not necessarily in this thread but many others. Do some shopping, ring around some places in your lunch break, as your local mechanic etc. Think for yourself boy!
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teh nokie! lolscissors!
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Tue, 23 August 2005 03:47
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Cool thanks, when things start happening i might drop you a line.
As i hinted, I would like to do as much of it myself as possible, but at the same time practicality enters the equation aswell. stupid practicality. 
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 23 August 2005 03:49
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| Phyro wrote on Tue, 23 August 2005 13:47 |
Cool thanks, when things start happening i might drop you a line.
As i hinted, I would like to do as much of it myself as possible, but at the same time practicality enters the equation aswell. stupid practicality.
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*Rubs hands together in glee :evil:* . Can't wait.
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 23 August 2005 04:24
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Hey Cruz,
Just clarifying, the cross member the auto mz12 comes with can't be used can it?
Phyro
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 23 August 2005 04:25
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By auto crossmember I mean the one that holds up the rear of the gearbox, not the one under the motor.
And no, its a different shape to the manual one.
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 23 August 2005 04:25
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| Phyro wrote on Tue, 23 August 2005 12:24 |
Just clarifying, the cross member the auto mz12 comes with can't be used can it?
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Unlikely, the MA61 manual one will be fine though.
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 23 August 2005 06:27
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will not a W5X box crumble under the power?
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 23 August 2005 06:29
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| ndgcpr wrote on Tue, 23 August 2005 16:27 |
will not a W5X box crumble under the power?
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heh, crumble.
I just got this mental picture of the gearbox just crumbling away like old sandstone or something when you put your foot down
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 23 August 2005 06:32
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Only if you don't know how to drive, or you drive digital.
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 23 August 2005 06:49
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| CrUZsida wrote on Tue, 23 August 2005 14:32 |
Only if you don't know how to drive, or you drive digital.
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I believe the word you're looking for is "binary accelerator pedal"
Seriously though, the W58 will be fine providing you don't drive like an idiot.
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 23 August 2005 07:38
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| CrUZsida wrote on Tue, 23 August 2005 16:02 |
Only if you don't know how to drive, or you drive digital.
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or you are norbie
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 23 August 2005 07:43
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| MR 1JZ wrote on Tue, 23 August 2005 15:38 |
| CrUZsida wrote on Tue, 23 August 2005 16:02 |
Only if you don't know how to drive, or you drive digital.
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Hence the binary accelerator pedal comment 
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 23 August 2005 13:58
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I like sandpaper
800 wet rub makes me do naughty things....
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 23 August 2005 23:29
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ok people i was just thinkin about this guye cruise 2 canberra we r all gonna go on... should we start plannin it or not.. i kmno ppl wanted it at th end of yyr or early next yr so i thought maybe the 8th of january 06 on a sunday??? it gives u a week 2 recover from new yrs and then double demerrits should have finished...also where in canberra are we gonna meet?? does any1 live down that knows also a good photo place??
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 23 August 2005 23:38
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might need to have it before that as people will have the christmas holidays which can be utilised for this just a thought
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Wed, 24 August 2005 03:49
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Sounds guut to me.
providing i have enough notice and enough money to survive for a few days. oh, and a car thats working.
would be hell-sad if i was half way through the conversion process during the weekend... hmmm money. a curses on it.
anyone else taking their soarers to the dyno day on the tenth?
Phyro
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Wed, 24 August 2005 03:53
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dyno day , where , want to see if my car improved after the new cooler and thermostat plus pod filter addition
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Wed, 24 August 2005 03:54
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you wont really see improvements from a bigger cooler on a dyno...
you wont see improvements from a pod filter full stop (unless it is properly boxed up)
you wanna see improvements the fork out for a bleed valve and crank up the boost...
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Wed, 24 August 2005 04:04
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Yeah but what im trying to do is figure out weter these additions actually make any improvement in stock form ( as in keep chaning things one at a time )
I dynode totally stock and got 92kw
Now I have pod, cooler and bigger PVC piping and new leads just seeing weter there will be improvement over how the car was when I got it that’s all just for fun
U say it wont make any difference, well maybe ur right but im just doing it so I have a comparison from my stock to modified journey
Im not turning up the boost on purpose I know if I do that I will get better numbers
Just want to see weter the new additions made any difference or not , if it didn’t then I can tell the other guys who are going to do it later on that its not worth it if it did then I can tell them roughly what to expect
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Wed, 24 August 2005 04:38
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to quote chris daveys signiature
"dyno figures mean nothing"
who cares how much power you have, wouldnt you just rather the car go faster while still maintaining reliability?
if youre gonna do a dyno run after every single mod thenyoure gonna be wasting a lot of time and money on dyno runs...
dyno's are meant for tuning...and the occasional power run
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Wed, 24 August 2005 05:10
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| indian wrote on Wed, 24 August 2005 09:38 |
might need to have it before that as people will have the christmas holidays which can be utilised for this just a thought
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yeh thats tru but dont mods ppl go away like dec so i thought jan.. maybe mid jan.. ill get a destination set then ill organise it then we can set a date and if so change it and still give every1 enuf notice
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Wed, 24 August 2005 05:19
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| MR 1JZ wrote on Wed, 24 August 2005 14:38 |
who cares how much power you have, wouldnt you just rather the car go faster while still maintaining reliability?
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yeah I'm inclined to agree with this...
"seat of the pants" dyno in an real-life situation ie driving around on the road, would be more important to me than being a dyno queen...
leave that just as he said, for tuning and the occasional power run.
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Wed, 24 August 2005 06:31
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| Merudo wrote on Wed, 24 August 2005 15:19 |
| MR 1JZ wrote on Wed, 24 August 2005 14:38 |
who cares how much power you have, wouldnt you just rather the car go faster while still maintaining reliability?
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yeah I'm inclined to agree with this...
"seat of the pants" dyno in an real-life situation ie driving around on the road, would be more important to me than being a dyno queen...
leave that just as he said, for tuning and the occasional power run.
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the car sint going to go any faster than stock if it isnt modified we all know that, if u want seat in the pants results u need to do something about it , and that what im doing and trying to see how much im getting with each mod thats all
plus u also find out extra stuff like what ur afrs are like etc etc
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Wed, 24 August 2005 07:42
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hey guys need lots of help PLEASE
i've got a 1989 gz20 soarer with a 1ggte
need to swap to 1j asap
need to know what type of front cut i need cause i've heard it has to be jza70
can anyone verify this
any info on the ins and outs of the swap woulkd also be greatly appreciated!!!!
i would love to talk to someone in sydney who has done the swap!!!
thanks
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Wed, 24 August 2005 09:36
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hey indian, if your car doesnt start with key turned. try moving the shifter around. it could be that your neutral switch has had it. The same thing happens to mine occasionally.
Good luck
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Wed, 24 August 2005 09:58
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| indian wrote on Wed, 24 August 2005 14:04 |
I dynode totally stock and got 92kw
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Are you serious???? is this what stock soarers do? and this is 9psi? FARK. my little beast did 103rwKws at 6 psi with the 1G-GTE and i thought that wasn't that great, thats hammering
I have everything equivalent to a stock soarer 2 1/2 exhaust and stock intake box, although i am running a thermo (3hp??) and a 3inch dump to the 2 1/2 cat but still.
Also on the saorer cruise topic. what are the thoughts? I was looking at a holiday and although its a long drive it still may be feasible. but i won't drive for 2 days+ each way (how far from brisbane?????) to go for a BBQ? i will have to stay a while, maybe a week. And who is organising it? if its 10 mins from your house you will get a slap lol...
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Wed, 24 August 2005 11:04
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| rt104style wrote on Wed, 24 August 2005 17:42 |
hey guys need lots of help PLEASE
i've got a 1989 gz20 soarer with a 1ggte
need to swap to 1j asap
need to know what type of front cut i need cause i've heard it has to be jza70
can anyone verify this
any info on the ins and outs of the swap woulkd also be greatly appreciated!!!!
i would love to talk to someone in sydney who has done the swap!!!
thanks
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Yes a JZA70 will make it a staight swap.
You will use the X-member and engine mounts.
The gearbox will go in but you will need to get a custom tailshaft.
new exhaust
intercooler plumbing
and then wire it up pretty much.
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Wed, 24 August 2005 13:16
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Bah, I here by curse anyone looking to 1jz a z20 series
Lucky Bastards all of you!
Earthweb/Chris is a perfect example of the ease of conversion  just have to do the mz12, do it right and making you jealous.... well maybe
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Wed, 24 August 2005 13:19
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I'm slack, I bought mine with it done
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Wed, 24 August 2005 14:06
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yeah and im stupid
I did mine
the very very hard way
phyro, i cant belive I am saying this but have you considered a 7MGTE swap?
would probably be much cheaper and easier considering your car already runs an M motor...
still M series shitbox tho
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Wed, 24 August 2005 14:13
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| MR 1JZ wrote on Thu, 25 August 2005 00:06 |
phyro, i cant belive I am saying this but have you considered a 7MGTE swap?
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I already suggested that to him via pm too 
also, look what h3ff4 (user on toymods) did to my car in the photoshop thread
PINK IS PIMPIN!
ROFL!
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Wed, 24 August 2005 15:35
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ndgcpr is your manual or auto???
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Wed, 24 August 2005 22:53
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Yeah gavin is ur an auto or manual , I know his previous engine was running a manual box and 103 kw is pretty good on 6psi
Big rob – my car always starts but when cold need to hold the key down for a few seconds to get her cranking when warm it starts as soon as the key is turned , dunno why just curious as to why it happens
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Wed, 24 August 2005 23:00
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nice car merudo
*waves in a gay fashion*
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Wed, 24 August 2005 23:41
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Nah not like that
Ok here a dodgy description of what it does ,
When cold --- put key in and turn ------ zee, zee, zee, zee, zee – vroom
When warm ---- put key in and turn ---- zee, vroom
(zee, zee--- car cranking noise)
Hope you guys can understand what im saying
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Wed, 24 August 2005 23:44
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so it doesnt crank first go when cold?
dude you drive a 17 year old car...its not overly surprising...
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Wed, 24 August 2005 23:53
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| indian wrote on Thu, 25 August 2005 09:41 |
(zee, zee--- car cranking noise)
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Thu, 25 August 2005 00:58
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| indian wrote on Thu, 25 August 2005 06:53 |
Yeah gavin is ur an auto or manual , I know his previous engine was running a manual box and 103 kw is pretty good on 6psi
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His is a manual. Mine made ~90kW at around 4000rpm, held it for a little bit then died, I've got no doubt it should make well above the 100kW mark once sorted. It spiked to about 8psi, then dropped down to just under 7psi by the end of the run.
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Thu, 25 August 2005 01:04
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Jcmf is ur manual mine was bog stock gen 2 with poor leads (found out later) shitty air filter and stuffed thermostat , was only getting 370km for a full tank ive replaced leads, pod filter and thermo and now getting around 450 ish for a full tank which im happy with when dynode my afr was around 10-11 mostly so im guessing the leads were shitty and not producing enuf spark to have a proper combustion , I will see how much im getting now will be dynoing it soon
Gavin has a manual that’s why he has got that much fair enuf
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Thu, 25 August 2005 01:06
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yeah mine is manual, its the W55 though, so i got tighter gears and the same with the diff. are you talking about me JCMF? it peaked at 8psi yeas but at the 103Kw stage it was on 6, and was flat from there on.
if people are interested.
http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/1097/dyno1lp.jp g
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Thu, 25 August 2005 01:15
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oh an indian after rewiring my 1G-GTE i think i may know why. your fuel pump does not run all the time, it fires when the starter is switched then when the starter is off the fuel pump follows, then the AFM picks up there is enough airflow so the car must be running and switches back on the fuel pump. i think it is so when you stall your fuel pump turns off, its a good idea in my opinion.
However when you car has just been sitting around (it is cold) the fuel lines drain and thus need to be filled again when the starter kicks over. mine does that too, and it will usually start crap if it starts first go. so i hit the starter (for a second or two) then turn it off, then hit it again to start the car and it starts fine.
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Thu, 25 August 2005 01:22
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| ndgcpr wrote on Thu, 25 August 2005 09:06 |
yeah mine is manual, its the W55 though, so i got tighter gears and the same with the diff. are you talking about me JCMF? it peaked at 8psi yeas but at the 103Kw stage it was on 6, and was flat from there on.
if people are interested.
http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/1097/dyno1lp.jp g
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What diff ratio you have mate?
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Thu, 25 August 2005 01:23
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| ndgcpr wrote on Thu, 25 August 2005 09:06 |
yeah mine is manual, its the W55 though, so i got tighter gears and the same with the diff. are you talking about me JCMF? it peaked at 8psi yeas but at the 103Kw stage it was on 6, and was flat from there on.
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I was talking about mine, but yours is very similar, only mine held a little more boost for longer.
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Thu, 25 August 2005 01:32
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off the top of my head i think there is a F282 in there. i think its about 4.2 - 4.3 and an open??? Sorry but i don't really have the means to find out exactly.
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Thu, 25 August 2005 02:45
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yeah thats a possible explanation for it man good stuff , however if anyone else has a theory to it pls share it
i was thinking its the sparkplugs temperature as i know some kinds have to be regapped and i just put mine in staright dunno what the hell it was now but the brand was ngk platimuns , cost me 22 dollars each lol
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Thu, 25 August 2005 03:06
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| ndgcpr wrote on Thu, 25 August 2005 09:32 |
off the top of my head i think there is a F282 in there. i think its about 4.2 - 4.3 and an open??? Sorry but i don't really have the means to find out exactly.
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Thanks for that. W55/4.3 combo same as Hydra.
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Thu, 25 August 2005 04:54
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GUYS TO WHOEVER HAS DONE the auto to manual conversion in the soarer what did u do for the shifter surround did u use the automatic one and modify it anyone have some pics to show me what they did it would be awesome
Cheers
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Thu, 25 August 2005 04:57
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I bought a factory manual one 
fits perfectly
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Thu, 25 August 2005 05:06
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| indian wrote on Thu, 25 August 2005 14:54 |
GUYS TO WHOEVER HAS DONE the auto to manual conversion in the soarer what did u do for the shifter surround did u use the automatic one and modify it anyone have some pics to show me what they did it would be awesome
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Look at the size of the auto one dude its massive without the auto stuff there.
You'll have TONS of room around the shifter, so either get a nice huge leather boot made up, or get a factory manual surround like MR 1JZ.
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hmmm now gotta look for that as well , has anyone here got one of em for sale anyone know if a supra one will fit as i might be able to get hold of one of em
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Location:
Central Coast, NSW
Registered:
February 2005
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Thu, 25 August 2005 05:22
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nah wont
dont buy one, just get some vinyl that matches the inteiror of your car, and make a custom boot for the gearshift
would look cool
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Location:
south east - melbourne
Registered:
March 2004
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Thu, 25 August 2005 05:27
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Thanks mate iil have to get one made up ive just been looking at a pic I found on the net doesn’t look that hard might be able to get away with it loll
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Location:
Central Coast, NSW
Registered:
February 2005
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Thu, 25 August 2005 05:30
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-get vinyl
-cut vinyl to right size-
-attach vinyl
-appreciate finished job
?????
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) that are of no use to anyone. If so let me know, appreciated.