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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Mon, 05 September 2005 04:26
 
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| indian wrote on Mon, 05 September 2005 14:18 |
mine is on boost off the line
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well yours is the only GZ20 that does 
i wish my 1GGTE was as energetic at producing power as yours 
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Mon, 05 September 2005 04:28
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yeah its only quatret bigger but remember its also mandrel bent so thats a key too thestock is press bent and look under the diff and u will see a wonderfull sight
yeah manual will be good for the revs , im hoping the single t28 will spool faster as it was on a 2 liter 4 cylinder engine but now its going to get the extra 2 exhaust pulses on it which might make it spool faster , me thinks 
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Mon, 05 September 2005 04:32
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| Merudo wrote on Mon, 05 September 2005 14:26 |
| indian wrote on Mon, 05 September 2005 14:18 |
mine is on boost off the line
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well yours is the only GZ20 that does
i wish my 1GGTE was as energetic at producing power as yours
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well that was comparign blk 1g-gte soarer with mine but his will murder mine after another 1000rpm or so lolllll but after installing the bigger cooler an new leads its boosting pretty qiuick , im having trouble keeping the boost 0 as ive got a leaking rubber hose atm so the minute it starts whining i have to take my foot off damn
good for fuel economy gave me 430 on normal setting as compared to 370 before lol
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Mon, 05 September 2005 04:33
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indian my 1GGTE was no less responsive after I put the exhaust in, it was no less laggier, it just sounded sweeter and made more power 
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Mon, 05 September 2005 04:51
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fark now i dunno what size exhaust to get damn
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Mon, 05 September 2005 07:22
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Maybe i should trade off the 2 1/2 i got off mine. I finally fitted the boost valve thing today and i reckon it made a difference. It was meant to be set just above stock when i got it, i even feel it boosts earlier as it is whistling about 2500 now. But yeah it was a down right PITA to fit. the pipe that was assessable come off pretty easy but the one that was a pain to get to wouldn't come off, and now i am sore and cut. But i am seriously loving this car now. i don't want to play with boost until it is back on the dyno but it is seriously flying now.
On another note is it worth getting a EGO sensor for my car? i was told the only real aftermarket gauges that are important are boost and EGO. any thoughts?
Oh and you will never see me with a cannon exhaust as i think they are ricey geh! I am trying to keep mine as a sleeper though and thus i only have a chrome 3" pipe that sticks out the back and bends down slightly, i reckon it looks so much better. I don't see the point in cars that you can use the rear of the exhaust as a boot (my mate has a 5 or 6" tip i think i can nearly stick my head in it). Sorry if i offended anyone thats just my opinion
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Mon, 05 September 2005 07:42
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BUGGER U GOT A 2.5 INCH SYSTEM WITH UR HALF CUT , LUCKY 
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Mon, 05 September 2005 07:45
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Um no. I got a 3" system with my half cut. although i actually bought a wreck. it was too much stuffing about to fit the 3" as the two cars are different. I kept the 3" dump and got the exhaust place to weld it up to my 2 1/2 system that was on it from its NA days. As the 3" also didn't have a Cat and i wanted it to pass safety. Sold the 3" off
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Mon, 05 September 2005 07:46
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Oh and i don't mean EGO sensor. i mean the EGO/mixture gauge thing to tell you when its rich or lean
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Mon, 05 September 2005 07:50
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whats the 1g go like with the 2.5 inch system as thats what i want to get as i alredy have a 2.5 inch custom dump coming off a t28 which will be repacing thre twins soon -- when i get some time and money lollll
ive been in a 3 inch soarer and it doesnt boost like the stock ones , more laggier thats why i want to know about the 2.5 inch system
cheers
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Mon, 05 September 2005 08:31
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can you get digital boost gauges as i would like to keep the digital theme otherwise i will build my own i guess with a row of leads. as i would also like to keep mine totally stock looking.
As for the 2 1/2 i have nothing to compare it too but like i have said before i got 103Kws at 6psi and you feel it at about 3000rpm. but thats the W55 and 4.2 diff. So the 3" lags more? i never new that. maybe i will keep mine, would a high flow cat help?
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Mon, 05 September 2005 14:33
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bullshit
3.5inch created no extra lag....
indian sometimes you got to think about what you are saying...
I know for a fact that a 3.5" exhaust on a 1GGTE did nothing but GOOD THINGS for the performance of the car, there was no extra lag, there was only extra power...
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Mon, 05 September 2005 22:46
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| ndgcpr wrote on Mon, 05 September 2005 18:31 |
can you get digital boost gauges as i would like to keep the digital theme otherwise i will build my own i guess with a row of leads. as i would also like to keep mine totally stock looking.
As for the 2 1/2 i have nothing to compare it too but like i have said before i got 103Kws at 6psi and you feel it at about 3000rpm. but thats the W55 and 4.2 diff. So the 3" lags more? i never new that. maybe i will keep mine, would a high flow cat help?
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u can get digital boost gauges i think turbo smart itself makes one high flow cat is def a big advantage
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Mon, 05 September 2005 22:56
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thats a good point why do you keep saying otherwise when SA's top bozoukou soarer drifter is telling you he has had first hand experience with larger exhaust systems and can tell you its only good times as far as performance is concerned?
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Mon, 05 September 2005 23:22
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| Merudo wrote on Mon, 05 September 2005 22:36 |
| ndgcpr wrote on Mon, 05 September 2005 18:31 |
So the 3" lags more? i never new that. maybe i will keep mine, would a high flow cat help?
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i wasnt told it would... when i was looking at zorst upgrades before i decided on saving for 1J, i found through talking to people that 3" would be ok, and wouldnt be too big
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Merudo that’s what I got told as well at many exhaust shops we can only take peoples word f or it Like and already being in a soarer with a 3 inch zorst I know what it feels like off the line that’s why I was asking here , but mr 1j seems to know what hees talking about most of the time so im not arguing with him
On another topic does anyone here know how to get those scissor doors to Australia
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Mon, 05 September 2005 23:25
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they are the stocker ones ud be lucky to get a couple of hundred for them unless someones desperate
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 06 September 2005 00:21
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| indian wrote on Tue, 06 September 2005 09:22 |
[Like and already being in a soarer with a 3 inch zorst I know what it feels like off the line that’s why I was asking here ,
On another topic does anyone here know how to get those scissor doors to Australia
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trust me there's more variables than the size of an exhaust system that can dictate the performance of a car. 
also, the 'scissor doors' are just struts that replace the hinges... not special doors.
There was a webpage posted a page of this thread back or something that showed how to fit them and everything. the quarter panels need to be taken off and the mechanism fits behind the panels as well.
has anyone taken off the quarter panels off the front? is it difficult?
I need to remove my drivers side one.
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 06 September 2005 00:46
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| MR 1JZ wrote on Tue, 06 September 2005 00:33 |
bullshit
3.5inch created no extra lag....
indian sometimes you got to think about what you are saying...
I know for a fact that a 3.5" exhaust on a 1GGTE did nothing but GOOD THINGS for the performance of the car, there was no extra lag, there was only extra power...
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NA Car - Large exhaust causes drop in back pressure = bad
Turbo Car - Large exhaust free's the way for more air to be put through the engine. If anything a larger exhaust is BETTER for your turbo car, not worse. I cannot see any way that it would cause turbo lag, if anything it should reduce it as there as less restriction for the air that is about to come out
/end Indian's exhaust lesson 101
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Tue, 06 September 2005 00:47
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is there any way someone can post the email adress for that scissor door company /place for me so i can acess it i cant do it from work as the computer keeps crashing lolll
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 06 September 2005 00:47
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Whoever told you it would be laggier to have a 3" exhaust was talking out their p00 shoot. Think about it for a sec, what is going to slow the turbo from spooling...resistance. Where is that resistance going to come from on the exhaust side...backpressure. Anything you can do to remove backpressure will be a good thing.
As exhaust gas is going to cool down the further along the exhaust it gets, this was my reasoning for having a 3" dump, 3" cat then down to a 2.5" for the rest of the way. I reckon there would be a bees dick of difference between that and a full 3" exhaust.
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 06 September 2005 00:48
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thanks lads...
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 06 September 2005 00:55
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i dont understand then ,
why is my car quicker off the line then blk 1g-gtes
mine is dead stock
is has blitz - bag turbos and 3 inch turbo back exhaust
he also told me after he put the exhaust on even with the stocker turbos there was lag
why ???????
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 06 September 2005 00:59
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the blitz turbos are highflowed and steelwheeled, that is one factor, PLUS THE 2 MILLION OTHER FACTORS...
maybe his chrome wheels are heavier than yours and that attributes to the car being slower, maybe something isnt right with his engine, his diff ratio could be different...
so many factors, i highly doubt the exhaust is the sole reason for his car being slower than yours off the line...
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 06 September 2005 01:13
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| MR 1JZ wrote on Tue, 06 September 2005 08:59 |
the blitz turbos are highflowed and steelwheeled, that is one factor, PLUS THE 2 MILLION OTHER FACTORS...
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High-flowed, they are already steel wheeled.
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 06 September 2005 01:14
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ah well when i get to the exhaust shop i will see what happens , if the 2.5 inch dump has tobe modified to fit in my engine bay then iil have it enlarged to 3 inch , and continue till the cat as jcmf said , then have 2.5 inch till the mufffler
fitting them is the pita
btw did anyone happen to have the part number for the sunroof cable someone here said they did cant remember who though
summer is coming heee heeeeeee
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 06 September 2005 01:25
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Tue, 06 September 2005 10:43 |
| MR 1JZ wrote on Tue, 06 September 2005 08:59 |
the blitz turbos are highflowed and steelwheeled, that is one factor, PLUS THE 2 MILLION OTHER FACTORS...
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High-flowed, they are already steel wheeled.
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my bad
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 06 September 2005 01:27
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| MR 1JZ wrote on Tue, 06 September 2005 10:59 |
the blitz turbos are highflowed and steelwheeled, that is one factor, PLUS THE 2 MILLION OTHER FACTORS...
maybe his chrome wheels are heavier than yours and that attributes to the car being slower, maybe something isnt right with his engine, his diff ratio could be different...
so many factors, i highly doubt the exhaust is the sole reason for his car being slower than yours off the line...
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trust me there's more variables than the size of an exhaust system that can dictate the performance of a car
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come on indian, we're ALL telling you a 3inch exhaust wont affect performance, with a turbocharged engine the less restriction the better.
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 06 September 2005 01:33
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again, my bad 
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 06 September 2005 01:37
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| MR 1JZ wrote on Tue, 06 September 2005 11:33 |
again, my bad
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no apologies needed man!! i was just saying how i agree with you 
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 06 September 2005 02:31
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Maybe someone was saying something about needing smaller plumbing on the intake side and you misheard it Indian? I'm under the impression that larger plumbing intake side reduces spool rate as there is more cubic cm's to fill up with air, where as outake side of engine, bigger = goodness.
(by smaller i mean plumbing the same size as the turbo - not smaller than, that would be... silly  )
Just a thought is all - related to engine and lag and all that. quite possible to mishear something bout cars. don't know how many times i've misheard someone shout out 'cool car' to me when they actualy said 'get back here with my girlfriend' never seen the 6mgeu work so hard
ok so the last bit was bullshit, but im pretty sure bout the first bit. just trying to work out where the confusion could have come in.
anyone got a pic AFTER doing the manual conversion into a z20 soarer? PM please.
Phyro
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Tue, 06 September 2005 02:35
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what do you want pics of phyro?
inside? master cylinder placement? pedals?
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 06 September 2005 02:42
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| Phyro wrote on Tue, 06 September 2005 12:31 |
Maybe someone was saying something about needing smaller plumbing on the intake side and you misheard it Indian? I'm under the impression that larger plumbing intake side reduces spool rate as there is more cubic cm's to fill up with air, where as outake side of engine, bigger = goodness.
(by smaller i mean plumbing the same size as the turbo - not smaller than, that would be... silly )
Just a thought is all - related to engine and lag and all that. quite possible to mishear something bout cars. don't know how many times i've misheard someone shout out 'cool car' to me when they actualy said 'get back here with my girlfriend' never seen the 6mgeu work so hard
ok so the last bit was bullshit, but im pretty sure bout the first bit. just trying to work out where the confusion could have come in.
anyone got a pic AFTER doing the manual conversion into a z20 soarer? PM please.
Phyro
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well i went bigger sized intake pvc plumbing from turbo to cooler to throttle and noticed better response and am still using the stock exhaust
i will still be using the 2.5 inch intake plumbing most probably as it seems to be right size for what i want but might change it to stainless or al depending on the cost i will def do the turbo side as the air will be really hot due to the bigger turbo and increased boost after the cooler the air is pretty cool so i wont bother unless i need to as it might be cool enuf for the pvc to handle but yeah if i can afford it then might as well change the whole thing to metal
and yeah im after some pics of the conversion as well of the inside
i just realised my alarm and bost gauge wires are runnign through the master cylinder slot damn 
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Tue, 06 September 2005 04:46
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Smaller intercooler pipework would in theory create higher velocity into the intake than a larger diameter pipe.
But a larger diameter pipe will physically be able to move a larger volume of air.
And yeah the bigger the diameter, the straighter and less restrictive a turbo exhaust is, the better.
The lag you talk about it brought on by other factors as MRs 1JZ mentioned above.
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 06 September 2005 04:50
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| BlackSupra wrote on Tue, 06 September 2005 14:46 |
The lag you talk about it brought on by other factors as MRs 1JZ mentioned above.
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LOLLLLLLLLLLLL
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Tue, 06 September 2005 04:51
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What's so funny?
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 06 September 2005 04:51
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| indian wrote on Tue, 06 September 2005 14:20 |
| BlackSupra wrote on Tue, 06 September 2005 14:46 |
The lag you talk about it brought on by other factors as MRs 1JZ mentioned above.
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LOLLLLLLLLLLLL
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im failing too see the humour here...
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 06 September 2005 04:54
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COME ON GUYS READ IT CAREFULLY NO OFFENCE TO ANYONE INCLUDING WHO WROTE IT AND WHO IT WAS MEANT FOR ITS ONE OF THOSE THINGS U HAVE TO LOOK CAREFULLY FOR
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 06 September 2005 04:56
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SERIOUSLY GUYS there is something there thats not right read it carefully lets see who gets it
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 06 September 2005 04:57
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| Merudo wrote on Tue, 06 September 2005 14:54 |
maybe he's just laughing pointlessly because laughing is good for you.
I'm going to try it as well.
LOLLLLLLLLLLL
edit: oh
blacksupra wrote missus one jay zed
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bahahahahaha thats the one just thought it was funny but no one else picked it up no offence guys ok
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Tue, 06 September 2005 04:59
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oh, now I see it
har dee har har
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Tue, 06 September 2005 05:18
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he's just jealous cause he's got a 7M
(just kidding blacksupra, nothin wrong with a good cond. 7M )
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Tue, 06 September 2005 05:24
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| Merudo wrote on Tue, 06 September 2005 14:48 |
(just kidding blacksupra, nothin wrong with a good cond. 7M )
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didnt think they existed
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Tue, 06 September 2005 05:26
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zing 
well his one seems to be built pretty tough
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Tue, 06 September 2005 08:34
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No Message Body
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Tue, 06 September 2005 09:11
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| dadragon wrote on Tue, 06 September 2005 18:04 |
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 06 September 2005 09:31
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Tue, 06 September 2005 10:47 |
As exhaust gas is going to cool down the further along the exhaust it gets, this was my reasoning for having a 3" dump, 3" cat then down to a 2.5" for the rest of the way. I reckon there would be a bees dick of difference between that and a full 3" exhaust.
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Now there is a good idea. as i already have the 3" dump and 2.5 exhaust, just need to replace the cat.
Now i have the option of picking up a cheap inter cooler (on sale cheap not cheap and nasty). the only problem is that it has 3" inlet and outlet pipes. as all of the pipe fit nice and snug everywhere when there are 2" i really don't want to stuff around upgrading it all, so is it bad to run 2" pipes into a 3" IC, although i guess its all the same just different inlet and outlet pipes. I am aware that a big IC will introduce some lag but hopefully it will cancel out with a big cat.
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 06 September 2005 09:42
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Man, stop your shouting...
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 06 September 2005 10:52
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someone please buy my exhaust...
no reasonable offer refused
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Tue, 06 September 2005 11:18
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Indian, the T28 that you talk about. Is this the S14/S15 style turbs? If it is, I'd suggest you go something like a GT28 a much better choice than a T28. Most T28's that are running around are worn so that'd mean you would have to get it rebuilt. So I say save the extra cash, and go the GT28.
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Tue, 06 September 2005 22:54
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| mz21_shiznac wrote on Tue, 06 September 2005 21:18 |
Indian, the T28 that you talk about. Is this the S14/S15 style turbs? If it is, I'd suggest you go something like a GT28 a much better choice than a T28. Most T28's that are running around are worn so that'd mean you would have to get it rebuilt. So I say save the extra cash, and go the GT28.
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thanks man but i alredy have the turbos with me the gt28 is a roller bearing one isnt it , i was told of that and apparently they are bit more bigger and still spool up just as quick as the t28 ah well
ive alredy got them now so iil put them in if they will fit lolll
and yeah to the other dude i wasnt meant to be shouting just wrote in caps so the guys who it was adressed to would def see it as they need those things pretty bad and it was cheap
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Wed, 07 September 2005 00:36
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1) he prefers pickup and is in brisbane
2) its auto
3) its from a chaser
4) thanks but nah
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| ndgcpr wrote on Tue, 06 September 2005 17:31 |
Now i have the option of picking up a cheap inter cooler (on sale cheap not cheap and nasty). the only problem is that it has 3" inlet and outlet pipes. as all of the pipe fit nice and snug everywhere when there are 2" i really don't want to stuff around upgrading it all, so is it bad to run 2" pipes into a 3" IC, although i guess its all the same just different inlet and outlet pipes. I am aware that a big IC will introduce some lag but hopefully it will cancel out with a big cat.
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I have one of the "cheap" Hybrid-clone intercoolers. They're not the best, but after totally caning my car the other night, I was able to touch the post-IC pipe and hold my hand on it, but the pre-IC one was WAAY too hot to touch.
I only got the 450mmx300x75mm one, which I figure is plenty big enough for the power I want, and works well enough on Josh's 1GGTE making 250rwkw. Fits a hell of a lot better.
The only problem I had with the cooler was the 3" outlets. Reducing them isn't really a big problem, the reducers offset some of the cheapness of the intercooler, but meh, it works well enough for me.
My IC piping is fairly damn direct and admirably short. Down factory pipe, through corner of engine bay, into IC and back up the same way. My piping is 2" with 3" adapters.
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