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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Crank Pulley
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 01:58
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Quick question on soarer numbering.
I understand Z1, Z2 ect. but what is the diff between a MZ20 and MZ21? whats the last digit for?
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 01:59
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The 1 in 21 means airbag suspension.
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 02:00
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Airbag suspension 
Waste of time!
Dan
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 02:01
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gee fellas do you guys just sit here waiting for a reply or something. that was all of about 30 secs
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 02:07
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We live to serve you
I'm at work, and whenever someone replies to a thread i'm subscribed to it emails me!
Dan
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 02:16
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MZ21 IS THE AEROTOP MODEL GAVIN, VERY LIMITED NUMBERS WERE MADE AND ONLY CAME IN THE 7MGTE ENGINE
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 02:21
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The mz20 limited also had air suspension didn’t it ,
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 02:23
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Probably only TEMS
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 02:42
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the MZ12 came with TEMS air
I have heard that (from a haynes manual actually) airbag susp. all but rivals coilover for ride quality. Not as good as, but not far from it. I never got to try mine, the bags had been replaced with springs   . everything else is still there
Hey, anyone know how to rework the TEMS to provide incar height adjustable suspension and not just 'stiffness'?
I'll be timing this one... 
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 02:45
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TEMS is not airbag.
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 02:45
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the mz20 werent aerocabin , the guy who wrote that must have got the 0 insted of the 1 in there
the mz21 were the only aerocabins
and the mz20 (limited) im pretty sure did come with sat nav and air suspension
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 02:50
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| indian wrote on Tue, 17 May 2005 12:45 |
and the mz20 (limited) im pretty sure did come with sat nav and air suspension
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Danners has an MZ20 limited and it didn't have airbag suspension before he put his konis & kings on as far as i know
And now for something completely off topic
Anyone else with their soarer still as an auto, notice the turbos don't spool up when you rev the car in neutral?
Just curious as to what causes this, and what purpose this serves
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 02:51
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Turbo's need load to build boost.
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 02:51
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stand corrected
but on the other hand my car is highest grade in the 2.0 liter wooooo hooooooooooo
gz20 twin turbo L
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 02:53
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they have some sort ofcut whereas the boost only enagges in 2 nd gear or some shit like that i think ,
and yeah it need load to come on boost but that doesnt explain my old exa where the neutral and reving would have caused the bov to blast like a bomb
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 03:11
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i hope it will have boot in 1 st gear i jnow the silvias dnt they have the same prob boost only in 2 nd gear and after some safety reason i presume ,
but my old eax had fullboost on 1st gear takl about tourque steer in the lil fwd the steering wheel would just pull to one side like mad and wheel spin like hell, specially in the wet , lolllllllllll miss that car
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 03:13
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hmmmmm..
no boost in first... that definitely explains why my cars slow off the line, LOL!
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 03:17
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yeah did u see my dyno results the afr was shocking , have to get it checked out soon
how the manual conversion hunt going
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 03:19
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They'll definetly make boost in first gear unless there is something wrong with them. They require load to spool, and sometimes the gearing in first makes it too easy for them to really make proper boost.
If your car is slow, it's because its a stock, auto, 2l turbo engine which would be struggling to crack the 110rwkw mark yet weighs like 1500kg.
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 03:31
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Tue, 17 May 2005 13:19 |
If your car is slow, it's because its a stock, auto, 2l turbo engine which would be struggling to crack the 110rwkw mark yet weighs like 1500kg.
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indeed.
i got beaten by a guy in a stock 1994 sprinter
it was quite embarrassing.
I just told him I backed off
I hope danners doesnt see this  
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 03:36
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hmm maybe the economy button doesnt help there at all , merudo maybe try drving the car with the power button or normal on maybe then it will spool faster
i cant do shitee with my car now as the alrm has gone bezerk , had a flat battery and now i need to reset the codes
but yeah i recomend dynoing the car as u will find out weter the car is running well or not like my fuel problem
out of curiousity how much of mileage are u getting for a full tank , im only getting 350 or around there
damn
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 03:40
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i havent filled up a full tank for aaages... but my driving is only 10 minutes to the train station, and 10 minutes home during the week... and then cruising or spirited driving on some nice roads like the old pac highway or whatever... so it uses a fair bit of fuel
but even with that stop-go driving to and from the train station, i get AT LEAST 350km to a tank... for sure
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 03:42
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eah same shit here that the only driving i do as well damn i need to check those fuel problems
should have seen it on the dyno people who were standing in the back of the car came running towards the front with their eyes all watery , looked like they were crying cause of all the unburnt fuel that was going out the exhaust , lollllllllllllllllll
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 04:01
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I know I'd rather be in the Soarer for overtaking though. I remember watching my mates GZ20 take on mates S/C AW11. The AW11 got away from the start every time, and the Soarer once in full flight would start reeling him in, but it was too late.
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 04:12
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oh yeah, dont get me wrong, it goes pretty hard if you need to suddenly get a burst of speed.... and once it gets going, it definitely does go alright... its just the getting going that's the problem...
If and when i decide to get an aftermarket ECU and get it tuned, i'll NOT be going for outright straight line speed... i'll be going for bottom end and mid range power...
Although i guess the two go hand in hand a fair bit... but yeah, I'll be focussing on things other than flat out top speed 
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 04:18
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You will probably find that with a manual conversion it will be a lot faster than that as you will be able to keep it on the boil. Without really standing on the brake and the throttle at the same time to stall up and try to build a bit of boost, all the auto car is going to do off the line is bog down until it builds some boost.
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 04:23
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Tue, 17 May 2005 14:18 |
Without really standing on the brake and the throttle at the same time to stall up and try to build a bit of boost, all the auto car is going to do off the line is bog down until it builds some boost.
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even if i do hold my foot on the brake and stall it up like that... rpm doesnt increase higher than 3000rpm and even then, it still bogs down anyway. Like indian said, its like there's no boost in first gear.
Can't wait for manual.
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 04:26
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btw i rang toyospares , they said they cant help for the gz20 soarer
farkkkkkkk
2k for the r154 conversion  lollll
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 04:30
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is that 2k just for the parts or 2k installed and done?
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 04:33
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Regardless, how are you planning to attach an R154 to a 1G? 
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 04:34
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thats a good question... indian, you sure they didnt think you had a 7MGTE?
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 04:47
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Both of you need to check your timing and fuel. Merudo, perhaps you should chuck yours on a dyno.
If my car can make boost on 5 cyl from a rolling start in first, so can yours.
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 04:50
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I was going to go to the dyno day that was going to be on, but the thread was deleted from the events section because it clashed with an official toymods event, and i missed out on details for it.
I'll be throwing mine on a dyno the next chance I get.
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 05:13
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mine never boosts in first, or second, or at all. i guess thats what happens without a turbo.
Don't your cars at least have a little light to say when you are boosting? can't you just watch that in first? failing that, unplug all the wires to your auto box. then it can't tell what gear it is in. you will either never boost or always boost.
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 05:16
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yeah, they have a little light, but its not very informative. I guess I need to purchase a boost gauge.
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 05:19
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Thet have a little light that comes on as soon as the sensor under intake manifold sees positive pressure.
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 05:24
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Shouldn't even the auto boys have full boost (10psi) by about 3000rpm in first?
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 05:27
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Believe me when I say it, it feels like there is no boost in first gear.
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 05:40
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pull a burnout, that should give you enough load to boost. i don't know what the problem is though. i hated boosting in first, in the 180sx. you would never have any traction. waste of time really. but i see you point you wanna launch and leave everyone for dead
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 05:46
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not concerned about racing, i just want to have decent acceleration
its a slug off the line
and it won't even spin the wheels when i stall it up unless its wet, so i dunno how i'm going to pull a burnout to have it build up boost or whatever you mean
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 06:01
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I think my auto might have some more deeper problems anyway... all the more reason to convert to manual.
i cant stall it up any more than 3000rpm.... it just wont go any higher, stops dead just before it every time if my foot is on the brake... even if the wheels are spinning, it wont let it rev any higher .... dunno why.
plus, shifting from second to third is VERY lazy.... very slow, and if i dont let my foot off the accelerator a bit, a WOT shift from second to third is very jarring and the engine revs in between changes.
been like that since the day i bought it....
the 7MGTE has the advantage of an extra 1000cc of displacement over my car.... if it couldnt spin those wheels... then there would be a problem! lol
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 06:07
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Put it in neutral, rev to 6000 and knock it into drive? 
Note: I take no responsibility for any damage caused to gearboxes, engines or passers by in trying this I'd highly recommend not doing this... well maybe if your manual conversion is ready to go and you don't want to sell the auto
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 09:55
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Im going to start this post with a big thanks to JOHN DUEL from IMPORTBITZ who had this car in sydney 8 weeks after the auction ended!
Introducing.... Project: WHO IS YOUR DADDY!
Fellas might need a few spares, this sucker is drift spec!
Now thats a mess!
mmm nice suspension
My front bar = FUBAR. Phat cooler though (did i mention its held in with zip ties?)
Big job to clean up this mess! (Note Norbiesqe use of zip ties)
Dash has seen better days, but hey ive seen much worse. Looks like it once had a monster tacho, and stereo has been pinched.
Trust me baby!
Volk Racing rims.....forgot to get size.
Twin cannons, at least it won't run out of puff!
There is HEAPS of work to be done to get this thing running right. Didn't start it due to a flat battery and the drivers seat being wet from a retard leaving the window down with a flat battery
Interior needs a going over, so does engine bay, so does everything really.
Oh and how funny is this, boost gauge lines run from engine bay through the front door seal!
Bonnet latch is well and truly rooted.
Boy am i glad i have 3 weeks off in june!
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 10:19
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look awesome man, more pics!!!
should be a weapon
ROss
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 10:21
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All I can say is that will be one mean machine I will not want to line up next to at the lights....
Once it gets tidied up and checked over it will be awesome.
Just make sure you replace every bit of fluid within the car and check EVERYTHING, but then you should already know this
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 10:56
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meh - the wiring aint that bad, honest
Glen, its Autronic time. It's also RIP EVERYTHING BUT THE ENGINE out of the engine bay time and REWORK.
That is 6000% drift spec jdm bro.
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 11:23
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i just shake my head looking at all the wires and cable ties there. bit of work to clean it all up.
On another note, or a previous one. I have an NA GZ10. is it better off putting a 7M or something in it ahead of the 1ggte? if i choose to take that path. is this what Merudo was on about with the extra litre or is that to do with a 5m? what are the thoughts?
Also i gues from here i have the top notch spec soarer as it seems to have everything. whoever i bought it off has fixed a large metal plate to allow a stereo to be placed in the hole near the stick. i have taken this plate off and the is a large square hole. is it possible that i once had a TV? or not on this early car?
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 12:21
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| BlackSupra wrote on Tue, 17 May 2005 19:55 |
Big job to clean up this mess! (Note Norbiesqe use of zip ties)
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Wow... even I wouldn't make a mess that bad! Good luck...
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 13:48
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| ndgcpr wrote on Tue, 17 May 2005 21:23 |
On another note, or a previous one. I have an NA GZ10. is it better off putting a 7M or something in it ahead of the 1ggte? if i choose to take that path. is this what Merudo was on about with the extra litre or is that to do with a 5m? what are the thoughts?
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all i was saying was the 7MGTE has more bottom end grunt due to it being a larger displacement engine than the 1GGTE
im not sure how much the z10's weigh, but it cant be as much as a z20
a gen 3 1GGTE would probably be sufficient... would be noice with a manual i imagine.
still, i'll wait for the experts to chime in. no doubt, you'll be told to put a 1JZ in it
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Re: Soarer owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 17 May 2005 21:53
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im no expert but id 1JZ it...
Glenn, what suspension does it have? is it bilstien? the tops of the front coilovers look like cusco items too me
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pity about the head gaskets