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microtech or emanage
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Thu, 14 April 2005 13:38
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microtech mtx8 or emanage in the celica gt4?
What would you recomend?
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Re: microtech or emanage
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Thu, 14 April 2005 14:52
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You mean LTX8S?
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Thu, 14 April 2005 15:00
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Haltech E6X i reckon, microshit is more like it.
Lachlan.
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Thu, 14 April 2005 15:05
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| beterthenu wrote on Thu, 14 April 2005 23:00 |
Haltech E6X i reckon, microshit is more like it.
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Experience talking here?
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Thu, 14 April 2005 15:14
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Yep.
The microshit just doesn't cut it when it comes to total engine management.
Also future support is a joke.
Lachlan.
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Thu, 14 April 2005 15:24
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I see.
But you'd recommend the E6X over it?
Interesting.....
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Thu, 14 April 2005 15:26
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Yeah. Does everything i need it to do.
Otherwise you could always go overkill and get a Motec setup.
Lachlan.
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Thu, 14 April 2005 15:27
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That was actually me being HIGHLY sarcastic when I said 'interesting....'
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Thu, 14 April 2005 15:29
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Re: microtech or emanage
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Thu, 14 April 2005 16:01
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| beterthenu wrote on Thu, 14 April 2005 23:14 |
Yep.
The microshit just doesn't cut it when it comes to total engine management.
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Just curious...what on earth are you talking about?
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Fri, 15 April 2005 00:25
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| ke382TG wrote on Fri, 15 April 2005 07:15 |
I have had a couple of mates with Microtechs and they would fall into the Microshit are crap crowd. One had his car setup like a heap of shit with wiring constantly failing and a real poor execution of the ECU install (not hard to do it well either). He subsequently sold the car because it was an all round heap of shit (not just the ECU probs). Number 2 dude installed ECU and never had it tuned, just drove it around on the base map  he whinged that his car ran rich, didn't make power blah blah blah but wouldn't get a tune
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These are the reasons why Microtech has such a bad rep.
Because the base tune the car comes with is so good (relatively speaking), that you can quite easily drive around for months and months without getting it to the dyno.
I did it for about 2 months before I had all the problems sorted and was able to get a dyno tune (car problems, not ecu problems).
However, get it tuned properly and its a more than adequate ecu.
Could do with more outputs, but you can always get around those issues.
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Fri, 15 April 2005 00:40
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I asked a question, why doesn't a Microtech cut it as an ECU, are you talking from personal experience or heresay like everyone else?
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Fri, 15 April 2005 01:20
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Could do with more outputs
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See the new LTX10s 
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I asked a question, why doesn't a Microtech cut it as an ECU, are you talking from personal experience or heresay like everyone else?
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If someone hears something enough times then it must be true!
I heard that modified cars are dreadfully unreliable  This rumour comes from gits with heaps of shit they assembled with some supa-glue and zipties 
Most car parts can only perform as well as they are installed and maintained. Much of the time both are done poorly, hence bad experiences.
Work out what you want/need from the ECU, determine how much you are prepared to spend, ensure you have a competent tuner for the ECU you wish to purchase within a distance from where you live that you are prepared to travel etc etc.
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Re: microtech or emanage
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Fri, 15 April 2005 07:40
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is the microtech stand alone?
Can i throw away the afm??
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Fri, 15 April 2005 07:44
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Yes and Yes.
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Re: microtech or emanage
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Fri, 15 April 2005 09:03
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Autronic seems pretty good value these days!
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Fri, 15 April 2005 13:47
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| ae86drift wrote on Fri, 15 April 2005 19:03 |
Autronic seems pretty good value these days!
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one of the best parts of the microtech is the fact you dont need to buy a millon and 1 new sensors to get it up and running,
i started looking at autronic but by the time you get all the other stuff to set it up the same as the microtech you were looking at almost $1000 more that the microtech fully installed in the car... tho in saying that im sure the autronic would shat on the microtech with most features (that i wouldnt use  )
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Fri, 15 April 2005 13:59
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| beterthenu wrote on Fri, 15 April 2005 02:11 |
He asked what people would recommend. He doesn't HAVE to listen, neither do you. Instead of criticising, actually make a suggestion.
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Instead of unfounded criticism, how about making a qualified comment on your experience with product X?
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Fri, 15 April 2005 13:59
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From personal experience, i had an MT8 which was woeful on my current engine, but that could have been due to the tuner as much as the ECU. But it couldnt control the injectors 440cc, at idle (quads need little air/fuel) and so it constantly ran rich (enough to ignite in the exhaust mani :S)
This was stolen, and so i replaced it with a Haltech E6X which i quite like. Sure its not the best out there, but it does a damn fine job for what i need it to do, and has a nice rudimentary logging system which provides me with enough info. Sure i would love a Motec ADL with the full logging kit, but i have far better things to do with $22k.
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Fri, 15 April 2005 14:12
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The current series of Microtech shits on the old series (as you'd expect).
Things that weren't available then are available now (like not using MAP for idle mapping).
But I'd say lots of your problems were in the tuning, but most likely not all.
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Fri, 15 April 2005 14:15
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| September_Squall wrote on Fri, 15 April 2005 23:59 |
| beterthenu wrote on Fri, 15 April 2005 02:11 |
He asked what people would recommend. He doesn't HAVE to listen, neither do you. Instead of criticising, actually make a suggestion.
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Instead of unfounded criticism, how about making a qualified comment on your experience with product X?
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I'm sorry but I've hated my Microtech since i got it. It just does not allow enough flexibility. I like the ECU to control EVERYTHING. I don't want to fuck around when it comes to my car, I want it to just work how it should. The Haltech E6X allows me to do this at a good price.
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Fri, 15 April 2005 14:32
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What isnt it doing that you want?
And what model do you have?
The E6X has a few more outputs, and thats about it.
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Sat, 16 April 2005 01:43
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| takai wrote on Sat, 16 April 2005 07:05 |
For me (personally) the Haltech is FAR superior to the MT. All hardware aside, the ECU is only as good as the tuner, and i dont trust many tuners.
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You can't compare it to the MT.
The MT is almost 4 years old.
Its like comparing an Athlon to a K6
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Sat, 16 April 2005 01:48
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Im not, im comparing the Microtech specialist with the Haltech specialist.
And after being screwed over quite convincingly by the Microtech tuner (who might i add changed my dizzy wiring so it ran off the reluctor amplifier) i am not keen on using Microtechs anymore.
From my experience in 3 cities (Canberra, Melbourne, Adelaide) i find, on the whole, Microtech tuners to not be as good as those who tune other ECUs. Sure big generalisation, but thats my experience, and also the experience of many other people i have raced with.
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Sat, 16 April 2005 02:18
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Sounds like you did get well fucked over.
My tuner is actually the Altronic specialist for WA.
The two places that are the Microtech specialists aren't exactly renouned for greatness.
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Sat, 16 April 2005 02:27
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Yeah, i did, quite severely, to the tune of a fair bit of money, and some nice bearing scoring. 
My attitude has changed over the last while from hating all microtechs regardless, to merely severely disliking them. Mostly due to the tuners, and also my dealings with microtech themselves after the MT8 was stolen.
Im willing to acklowledge that they can be persuaded to do the job, especially if tuned by a good tuner....
There just seems to be a correlation between the tuner's experience and the cost of the ECU. And its not a good correlation.
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Sat, 16 April 2005 02:44
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Gidday all
Interesting thread! To start I have a microtech installed on my 1ggteu which has intake and fuel systems significantly modified. I specified all of the things that I was using - such as blanked off 1ggte distributer, eb falcon throttle body, idle control and TPS, el falcon coil pack, specific sepcification of air and water temp, different injectors, etc. I then sent the ecu to microtech who set up the computer to meet my requirements including modifying one of the injector drivers to run the idle control - really necessry if you are running big injectors. $250 and some weeks later I had my computer back, installed and tuned by someone that knew what they were doing (Jake Edwards in the ACT). My car runs like a factory installation, making some 200rwkw at 12-13 psi.
Phew! What is the point that I am making? If you want to save money on an Autronic or Motech and the like do a little planning, and do it properly, and finally use someone to do the tuning that has some idea what they are doing. Why did I go microtech. Well one 'cos I had one hanging around the garage, but more importantly because I could have it tailored to meet MY specification. I also spoke to Jake to make sure that the ecu would do what I wanted and give opportunity to make even more power in the future.
Yes I did look at haltech as I would have liked the extra inputs/outputs that were available (and now on the new microtech), but when I heard that my mate had been told that the fairly recent haltech that he had on his VL would no longer be software or hardware supported, this did put me off. From what I understand Microtech still provide 'hardware' support to all their old products. I am also sure that I could have got the same results as I did with the microtech with haltech, wolf, ems, etc with the same planning and expert tuning support. Please don't make personal preferences into a bagging of other offerings.
I could also have gone with autronic/motech but could not really justify the additional expense.
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Sat, 16 April 2005 02:59
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Sounds like you have had a good run then.
Microtech are no longer suppporting any of the MT series anyway, so that advantage goes out the window.
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Sat, 16 April 2005 03:08
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| takai wrote on Sat, 16 April 2005 10:59 |
Sounds like you have had a good run then.
Microtech are no longer suppporting any of the MT series anyway, so that advantage goes out the window.
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The software side no, but are they supporting the hardware side if a transistor or something dies?
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Sat, 16 April 2005 03:18
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| CrUZsida wrote on Sat, 16 April 2005 13:08 |
| takai wrote on Sat, 16 April 2005 10:59 |
Sounds like you have had a good run then.
Microtech are no longer suppporting any of the MT series anyway, so that advantage goes out the window.
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The software side no, but are they supporting the hardware side if a transistor or something dies?
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Nope, i phoned up to get a component replaced on a friends MT8, and was told that they didnt support it anymore. Ended up having to replace it myself.
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Sat, 16 April 2005 04:22
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| takai wrote on Sat, 16 April 2005 11:18 |
| CrUZsida wrote on Sat, 16 April 2005 13:08 |
| takai wrote on Sat, 16 April 2005 10:59 |
Sounds like you have had a good run then.
Microtech are no longer suppporting any of the MT series anyway, so that advantage goes out the window.
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The software side no, but are they supporting the hardware side if a transistor or something dies?
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Nope, i phoned up to get a component replaced on a friends MT8, and was told that they didnt support it anymore. Ended up having to replace it myself.
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Interesting.
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Sat, 16 April 2005 07:16
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I understand that if you go through a gold dealer they will fix MT series etc.
Craig
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Sat, 16 April 2005 08:27
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| ddeane wrote on Sat, 16 April 2005 17:16 |
I understand that if you go through a gold dealer they will fix MT series etc.
Craig
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Nope, Microtech themselves wont even fix them these days, and im pretty sure that the gold dealers only do it inhouse. I went and got a quote off them, and they said that they would do it for $250, they even told me that the problem was just a single cap. Ended up costing me less than $2.50 to fix 
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Bang for buck it's something to look at.