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4 cylinder nissan engines
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Tue, 19 April 2005 07:09
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i know i know i know its a nissan, but what 4 cylinder nissan engines fit into a ke20?
ps if this is in the wrong section please move.
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Sydney
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February 2005
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Re: 4 cylinder nissan engines
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Tue, 19 April 2005 07:10
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...why?
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Location:
leumeah NSW
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November 2004
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Re: 4 cylinder nissan engines
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Tue, 19 April 2005 07:24
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its purely for curiosity sake. i would NEVER taint my old rolla with a evil nissan anything. Toyota through and through.
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On Probation
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North East NSW
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December 2002
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Re: 4 cylinder nissan engines
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Tue, 19 April 2005 07:28
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ke20 weighs 760kg, legal limit for turbo is weight * 2.5 (1900cc), or n/a weight * 3 (2280cc)
so you can put in turbo ca18det, or naturally aspirated ca18de or rb20de. i've heard there's a 100cc discretion on the above rule, but it's not in the RTA VSI, and i'm yet to ask an engineer about it
which is the better stronger motor depends on who you talk to. seriously tho, would you need to do anything to even a turbo CA in a ke20? with the exhaust, frontmount, computer and induction you'd have to with the conversion, it would already be a 12 second car (you do need to do computer, they don't idle in non-original cars, the different intake length messes with the AFM/MAP or whatever)
you could also put in an earlier datsun motor like a Z16/18 or L20B (or even an A12 or A14 if you really wanted) but you'd want to be able to do it yourself and get the motor on the cheap. the dude i bought my ke25 from used to have a ke30 with an L20B in it, he said it hauled ass pretty well. now he has a ke70 pano with an sr20det and 220kw
true that 3s-gte is a better option than any nissan motor, stronger motor with more potential to make power, but they're so expensive! rwd CA front cuts are ~$2300, rwd SR frontcuts are ~$2800 for s13, up to ~$4500 for s15. if you know the right people, you can pick up entire written off turbo drift silvias for as little as $1500
4ag is another toyota option, but everyone's done one of them  the biggest rotary you can put in a ke20 is a naturally aspirated 12a. bridgeports can make upwards of 200hp, but you'll pay for it in the fuel bill (and getting my sik hektik cousin's brother's sister's nanna's rotary workshop to build you the engine)
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Location:
Coffs Harbour, NSW
Registered:
November 2004
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Re: 4 cylinder nissan engines
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Tue, 19 April 2005 08:09
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| Super Jamie wrote on Tue, 19 April 2005 17:28 |
cousin's brother's sister's
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wouldnt that just be your cousin anyway?
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On Probation
Location:
North East NSW
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December 2002
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Location:
Sydney
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September 2003
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Re: 4 cylinder nissan engines
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Tue, 19 April 2005 08:50
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| Super Jamie wrote on Tue, 19 April 2005 17:28 |
ke20 weighs 760kg, legal limit for turbo is weight * 2.5 (1900cc), or n/a weight * 3 (2280cc)
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Since you know so much , what are the lagalities of a 1ggte in a ke25?.
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On Probation
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North East NSW
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December 2002
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Re: 4 cylinder nissan engines
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Tue, 19 April 2005 08:57
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ke25s get registered as a "ke20 variant", so still 760kg
a 1g-gte is 1988cc and has forced induction. so 
like i said, someone's told me that there's a 100cc variance to that rule, but his last road car was engineered a long time ago, and someone else has since told me the the first guy is full of shit. you guess is as good as mine
if you're honestly wanting to go ahead with the conversion, and not just throwing around numbers-numbers-letters, and a 4agze/4agte/ca18det just isn't good enough, call an engineer and ask them, then we'll both know for sure
i intend to go see an engineer about rollcage, brakes, lsd, etc etc sometime soon, and i'll be asking then
you could always get a heavier car. 2L turbo is 100% legal in a ke30 onwards, but they just don't look as cool as ke2x cars 
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Location:
Sydney
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September 2003
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Re: 4 cylinder nissan engines
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Tue, 19 April 2005 09:00
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| Super Jamie wrote on Tue, 19 April 2005 18:57 |
ke25s get registered as a "ke20 variant", so still 760kg
a 1g-gte is 1988cc and has forced induction. so
like i said, someone's told me that there's a 100cc variance to that rule, but his last road car was engineered a long time ago, and someone else has since told me the the first guy is full of shit. you guess is as good as mine
if you're honestly wanting to go ahead with the conversion, and not just throwing around numbers-numbers-letters, and a 4agze/4agte/ca18det just isn't good enough, call an engineer and ask them, then we'll both know for sure
i intend to go see an engineer about rollcage, brakes, lsd, etc etc sometime soon, and i'll be asking then
you could always get a heavier car. 2L turbo is 100% legal in a ke30 onwards, but they just don't look as cool as ke2x cars
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Thanks for the info mate  , i had a ke30 they are very nice, but i would get a 2 door if i could find the bastard, i saw one for sale owner wanted 2.5k  .
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Location:
Adelaide
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September 2003
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Re: 4 cylinder nissan engines
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Tue, 19 April 2005 10:16
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hey man you forgot the mighty fj20!
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sydney,nsw.oz.
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July 2002
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Re: 4 cylinder nissan engines
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Tue, 19 April 2005 10:20
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Cant beat the old L16 from the Datsun 1600.
Not to forget the L20B from the 200B/Bluebird.
But why would you want to put a Nissan motor in a Toyota ffs ?
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On Probation
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North East NSW
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December 2002
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Re: 4 cylinder nissan engines
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Tue, 19 April 2005 22:24
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because you can get it on the cheap. because they are actually pretty good motors. because a turbo CA is half the price of a turbo 3S and still a stupidly quick motor in a corolla
i didn't forget the FJ, or the RB, i just consider them too heavy to be of anu use in a corolla  i have photos of a ke20 in adelaide with an RB30DE in it, not engineered of course
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: 4 cylinder nissan engines
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Tue, 19 April 2005 22:39
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| FWDCelica wrote on Tue, 19 April 2005 20:20 |
Cant beat the old L16 from the Datsun 1600.
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Um, I'm pretty sure you can actually.
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On Probation
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North East NSW
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December 2002
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Re: 4 cylinder nissan engines
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Tue, 19 April 2005 22:43
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oh, btw, i used to have a ke35 as well. too heavy for my liking at least for a stock 3k. swapping that motor into my ke25 made a noticeable difference, as it does when you drop ~100kg
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NSW Engadine
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June 2003
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Re: 4 cylinder nissan engines
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Tue, 19 April 2005 23:21
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but if you put in a bigger motor in doesnt that add to the weight...
say you got a 720kg car... and the new motor adds 100kg, so now its a 820kg car... times 2.5... gives you... 2050cc...
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Location:
sydney,nsw.oz.
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July 2002
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Re: 4 cylinder nissan engines
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Tue, 19 April 2005 23:30
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| Norbie wrote on Wed, 20 April 2005 08:39 |
| FWDCelica wrote on Tue, 19 April 2005 20:20 |
Cant beat the old L16 from the Datsun 1600.
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Um, I'm pretty sure you can actually.
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Well you couldn't back in the early '70s.
Australian Rally Champ for umpteen years !
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On Probation
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North East NSW
Registered:
December 2002
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Re: 4 cylinder nissan engines
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Tue, 19 April 2005 23:48
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no, the law is based on original tare weight, you can't change it.
or we'd all just chuck some bags of cement in the back and engineer away 
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Location:
leumeah NSW
Registered:
November 2004
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Re: 4 cylinder nissan engines
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Wed, 20 April 2005 02:02
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ok ok i guess the ca18 is a decent option
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