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turbo charging a 3sge
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Wed, 27 April 2005 08:51
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does anyone know what turbo manifold will straight onto the 3sge? and what turbo bolts onto that manifold? thanks
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Brisbane, Queensland
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January 2004
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Re: turbo charging a 3sge
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Wed, 27 April 2005 11:16
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the 3sgte manifold bolts up. the ct26 or ct20b bolts up there after.
My next question is why? by the time you stuff around turbo'ing the engine you have now, you would have spent more money then if you just swap in a 3sgte.
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Sydney
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September 2003
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Re: turbo charging a 3sge
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Wed, 27 April 2005 13:05
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| -==L=a=N=c=E==- wrote on Wed, 27 April 2005 21:16 |
the 3sgte manifold bolts up. the ct26 or ct20b bolts up there after.
My next question is why? by the time you stuff around turbo'ing the engine you have now, you would have spent more money then if you just swap in a 3sgte.
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Totally agree, go to search and type in [3sge turbo] and you will see a lot of information for you.
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Victoria, Melbourne
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April 2005
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Re: turbo charging a 3sge
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Sat, 30 April 2005 07:15
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i typed in 3sge turbo and i found my own thread. great -_-' lol so far no progression, everyone keeps talking about ecus compression temperature and all this scientific mumbo jumbo
but all i really wanna know is how do i make my 162 go faster
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Sydney
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April 2005
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Re: turbo charging a 3sge
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Sat, 30 April 2005 08:55
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PUT A 3sgte in it and a 3sgte EFI computer!
Take your old engine and computer out and put the turbo motor in with its computer.
It will go much faster 
Quite easy stuf really
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Perth
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May 2004
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Re: turbo charging a 3sge
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Sat, 30 April 2005 14:23
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To turbo your 3SGE you will need, (not a complete list)
An understanding of what you want to achieve
An understanding of the basics of turbocharging an engine and the dangers associated with it 
A big wallet (thats full of $$)
once you have them, set about obtaining the rest...
Turbo Manifold (GT4 manifold is a possibility, however i believe using this one causes the turbo to foul on your starter motor - only when using a S-53 from a 3SGE engined ST162, the 3SFE Transmission has the starter located in a different spot)
Custom manifold is probably better... (but you will need your turbo selected before hand)
Turbo - You will only be running low boost, so a good condition second hand unit will be fine
Bigger Injectors, Bigger Fuel Pump (could possibly get away with the stock one).
Intercooler + piping.
Downpipe for turbo.
Oil lines for the turbo (possibly coolant lines aswell)
Oil cooler for the engine oil, 3SGE has no piston squirters so this is a good idea.
MAP sensor and as a minimum a Programmable fuel computer.
Bigger brakes
and heaps of other small things,
Modification permission, more money for insurance, patience
This should get you started, then....
You may need an upgraded clutch,
better suspension
better tyres
Better exhaust
fulsik stikkas
As you can see, its actually quite serious stuff and will take you a while to do. By no means impossible.
If you dont have about $4000 then I would suggest you don't try and get this done to your car. I get the feeling that you are not a mechanic so will have to pay at least $1500 for labour and fabrication during the install of the turbo and tuning of the engine.
You could purchase the parts needed for $2500 - $3000 quite easily, but will take a while to aquire them all.
In conclusion, turbocharging you st162 will make it go faster for sure. but do it wrong and you will have a really slow car (ie broken)
I believe your best option would be to buy later model 3SGE engine (gen 3 180hp) and put that in. Its not turbo but will go pretty hard.
No get googling mate, you have much to learn
-Adam
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Victoria, Melbourne
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Re: turbo charging a 3sge
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Sat, 30 April 2005 15:04
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thx heaps for that summarized information adam, i guess u slammed the blunt fact in my face the only way to make it faster is to go turbo since i already got the intake and exhaust done. i was told dont go to extractors since that goes in the bin when the turbo goes in the bay.
and yes ur correct, i aint no mechanic. anything and everything u guyz teach me now will be all i know i am starting from scratch you see. (i just got my fist car etc.) i guess i better start saving up, friggin hell i need a new job!
can anyone hook me up with a decent paying job so i can get my turbo? i work hard because i know its for my car, when ppl say they work hard they're lying but im telling the truth coz i actually have a reason 
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Location:
South Australia
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July 2002
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Re: turbo charging a 3sge
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Sun, 01 May 2005 04:46
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thx heaps for that summarized information adam, i guess u slammed the blunt fact in my face the only way to make it faster is to go turbo since i already got the intake and exhaust done.
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Going faster does NOT require turbo. I highly doubt you've done everything you can to the intake and exhaust - if you want performance out of ANY engine, turbo or naturally aspirated, you will have to spend LOTS of time and money whichever way you go. Just changing the air filter and sticking a cat-back exhaust on isn't going to get anywhere near the amount of power you can make out of an engine - turbo or not.
verbatim210 -> if you are a good reader, you might want to go to your local library and look around for some books on internal combustion engines, or motor vehicles. You'd be amazed how much quicker you'll pick stuff up than spending pain stakingly huge amounts of time on a forum getting each tiny little question answered.
I could easily add about 20 more things you will need to do in order to turbocharge your 3S-GE on top of the list that acreese has put there and that's only because I've spent a long time reading up on alot of car and mechanical related texts and I've spent many hours in my shed taking cars apart (and occasionally putting them back together  )
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Location:
Perth
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May 2004
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Re: turbo charging a 3sge
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Sun, 01 May 2005 10:20
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| RWDboy wrote on Sun, 01 May 2005 12:46 |
Going faster does NOT require turbo.
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correct, but i am not opening up that can of worms....
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Location:
Vancouver
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June 2004
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Re: turbo charging a 3sge
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Sun, 01 May 2005 18:54
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All of the 3SGTE turbo blocks have oil nozzles to help cool the pistons and everything, but only the Gen3 and later 3SGE blocks have the nozzles installed. My Gen2 3SGE block has spot-faced areas for the nozzles, but the holes have note been drilled, tapped, or even located... I have been told the Gen3 3SGE block has nozzles from the factory
Also, you mentioned that you have a ST162 motor - the best thing to do with that model is stop mod'ing it, and go to a later unit. Those engines have totally different valvetrain than the later motors, so the only cams and whatnot you can fit are the VERY expensive TODA parts, and only after you've installed their VERY expensive parts kit to use th high lift 162-specific cams...
That doesn't mean you can't enjoy the car with basic mods, or you have to hate the 162 motor - it means if you are going to start getting into heavy mods, consider the limited availability of a very limited number parts for your 162 motor (Gen1)
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Parramatta
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July 2002
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Re: turbo charging a 3sge
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Mon, 02 May 2005 01:32
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if you are serious about power and dont have that much money, do NOT do the turbo conversion 3sge turbo, as stated by heaps of people lots of $$$
cheap fast relaible fun is a 3sgte, as its built as a turbo therefore can and will take the boost. throw a turbo on a 3sge with out decompression (which is even not a good idea) it will last you a few months of hard driving.
a 3sgte will last alot longger, it was engineered for the power it makes.
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Location:
Victoria, Melbourne
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April 2005
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Re: turbo charging a 3sge
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Mon, 02 May 2005 02:54
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thanks guys,
i agree, except i dont even think it'll last the couple of months. a cousins n/a prelude didnt last that long with a custom turbo and his engine suppose to be stronger than mine.
and yeh even if i do get the transplant, 3sgte that'll cost heaps wouldnt it. engine is like what, 2-3k ish? + labour and a shitload of wiring = arm/leg
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Location:
Brisbane, Queensland
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January 2004
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Re: turbo charging a 3sge
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Mon, 02 May 2005 03:01
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Halfcuts can be had for around $2k these days. Shop around.
Installation is a snap, it is bolt in. If your handy with a spanner then you can do it yourself.
And the wiring is what, 5 wires max and its running.
If you pay someone to do it, $5k all up for the job would be resonable. If you did most of the work yourself, u'd be looking at $3k.
But then, compare that to turbo'ing the 3sge, turbo/manifold, injectors, ecu, tuning, intercooler,etc... I know which one would be cheaper, and more reliable. Go the half cut.
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Victoria, Melbourne
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April 2005
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Re: turbo charging a 3sge
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Mon, 02 May 2005 03:33
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i guess the solution is obvious, half cut is the way to go. i'll double check with my mechanic and my older bro, i remember him telling me half cut is bad idea not sure why, i'll ask him again and get a concrete reason from him.
also, st185 is the gen 1 3sgte right? question... why not go with the next gt4 engine up, wot is it the st205 right?
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Brisbane, Queensland
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January 2004
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Re: turbo charging a 3sge
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Mon, 02 May 2005 03:47
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Ok, the only downside about using a halfcut is that you don't know what the engine condition is like.
As for engines, the ST165 used a gen1 engine, st185 gen2, and st205 gen3. The st205 engines go for close on $5k.
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Victoria, Melbourne
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April 2005
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Re: turbo charging a 3sge
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Mon, 02 May 2005 04:14
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1. will gen2 and gen3 engines fit in my bay
2. if u do halfcut st205 that would work just cost more money and it'll look sorta funny yeh
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Location:
Brisbane, Queensland
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January 2004
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Re: turbo charging a 3sge
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Mon, 02 May 2005 04:17
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any engine with a #S designation in the code will bolt straight in.
And what do you mean look kinda funny? Im not talking about cut and shut here, im talking about completely pulling out the motor and putting it into the engine bay.
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Victoria, Melbourne
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April 2005
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Re: turbo charging a 3sge
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Mon, 02 May 2005 04:56
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i thought half cut mean completely chopping off the front of a wrecked/2nd hand car and wacking it straight into my front half of the car
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Brisbane, Queensland
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January 2004
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Re: turbo charging a 3sge
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Mon, 02 May 2005 04:59
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| verbatim210 wrote on Mon, 02 May 2005 14:56 |
i thought half cut mean completely chopping off the front of a wrecked/2nd hand car and wacking it straight into my front half of the car
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Hell no, who would you wanna do that!
The reason you buy a halfcut is that you are garunteed to get everything that u'll need to get it running in your car. Like Radiator, all the looms, relays, etc. And then you can sell off the rest and get your money back (like suspension, steering rack, interior bits, etc....)
For example, the bonnet is highly sort after, if the panels are widebody they are good money as well. Gearbox's are sort after if its in good condition etc.
The other option is buying just an engine.
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Victoria, Melbourne
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April 2005
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Re: turbo charging a 3sge
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Mon, 02 May 2005 05:05
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so let me get this straight, u buy half front of the car, salvage the engine, transplant it into ur bay, and sell the remaining bits and pieces?
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Location:
Brisbane, Queensland
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January 2004
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Re: turbo charging a 3sge
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Mon, 02 May 2005 05:07
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| verbatim210 wrote on Mon, 02 May 2005 15:05 |
so let me get this straight, u buy half front of the car, salvage the engine, transplant it into ur bay, and sell the remaining bits and pieces?
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Correct
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Location:
Victoria, Melbourne
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April 2005
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Re: turbo charging a 3sge
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Mon, 02 May 2005 05:10
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why would u buy half the car when all u want is the engine, i thought u'd buy the front so u can bolt the entire thing straight onto ur car so it'll make installing it easier and shit.
like u know sil80's and shit
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Brisbane, Queensland
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January 2004
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Re: turbo charging a 3sge
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Mon, 02 May 2005 05:14
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silvia's and 180sx use the same chassis, hence why they can swap panels if they so wish. Not just join them together.
Halfcuts are often used to repair cars.
You can just buy an engine if you so want. Halfcuts arn't that much more over just buying an engine though. Ask most guys here who have swapped engines into there car. The Halfcut can make the job easier sometimes. CAuse you don't have to chase up misc parts.
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Location:
Victoria, Melbourne
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April 2005
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Re: turbo charging a 3sge
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Mon, 02 May 2005 05:17
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this is sucha head ache man, i think im just gonna save up 15g and buy my semi-dream car... sw20
im starting to think the st162 is not worth the effort
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Location:
Brisbane, Queensland
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January 2004
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Re: turbo charging a 3sge
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Mon, 02 May 2005 05:21
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| verbatim210 wrote on Mon, 02 May 2005 15:17 |
this is sucha head ache man, i think im just gonna save up 15g and buy my semi-dream car... sw20
im starting to think the st162 is not worth the effort
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AHHA, i wonder how long it'd take you to relaise it wasn't worth it.
Alot of people on here just stopped bothering telling people that. It comes down to how much effort and money you wanna pour into your car.
The MR2 brings along its own joys.
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Location:
Victoria, Melbourne
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April 2005
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Re: turbo charging a 3sge
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Mon, 02 May 2005 05:25
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yeh i recon huh, watcha recon ppl... shall i go wif da mr2?
btw i was just curious because i figured since i already have the st162 i just wanted to know wot i could do to improve it. coz all im after is the safe adrenaline rush (if there is sucha thing)
can u see where im comming from? bought the celica coz it was cheap and was the only thing i could afford, i guess now i just wanna have as much fun wifit as possible
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Location:
Brisbane, Queensland
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January 2004
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Re: turbo charging a 3sge
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Mon, 02 May 2005 05:27
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I've seen plenty of 3SGTE conversions on 162's and most people i know are happy with what they got.
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Location:
Newcastle
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June 2004
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Re: turbo charging a 3sge
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Mon, 02 May 2005 07:28
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| -==L=a=N=c=E==- wrote on Mon, 02 May 2005 15:27 |
I've seen plenty of 3SGTE conversions on 162's and most people i know are happy with what they got.
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I am! I run about 13-14psi, im guessing i would get very low 14 sec quarters. Very fun.
I wouldn't give up on the st162 too easy. But if you really want an SW20, go for it.
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Location:
Victoria, Melbourne
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April 2005
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Re: turbo charging a 3sge
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Mon, 02 May 2005 07:41
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i havnt exactly made my mind up yet and i wont need to for a very long time, thats y im talking and asking about it wif u guys now.
u c, im very very very povo, i aint got no cash and im looking for a new job as we speak.
but um, if ne1 feels it to be their responcibility to inspire me wif da 162, please feel free to do so
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Brisbane, Queensland
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January 2004
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Re: turbo charging a 3sge
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Mon, 02 May 2005 07:44
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190fwkw enough to spank you silly?
talk to b-rad on here. He'll tell you all about it.
3s-ge man as well
there is a plethora of happy GT2 boys in and around the interweb.
Check out
www.celicatech.net
www.ozcelica.com
Should find the answers you seek.
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Location:
Victoria, Melbourne
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April 2005
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Re: turbo charging a 3sge
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Mon, 02 May 2005 07:50
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i bet it's enuf to spank my $2000 bank account PLUS++
money which i will remind u i wont have in the next couple of days to come, got shit to pay for.
basically im running out of cash and my job sux
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Location:
Brisbane, Queensland
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January 2004
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Re: turbo charging a 3sge
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Mon, 02 May 2005 07:52
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| verbatim210 wrote on Mon, 02 May 2005 17:50 |
i bet it's enuf to spank my $2000 bank account PLUS++
money which i will remind u i wont have in the next couple of days to come, got shit to pay for.
basically im running out of cash and my job sux
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Well start saving and make your decision from there... No-one is forcing you to do anything in here.
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Location:
Victoria, Melbourne
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April 2005
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Re: turbo charging a 3sge
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Mon, 02 May 2005 07:54
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misunderstanding? i didnt say ne1's forcing me, i want to go faster
and yeh i've been saving for a couple of months but theres always things i've gotta pay for.... the fact that its an old car isnt helping either, lots of repairs and services i had to go through but now i think its finally in a healthy state. (engine wise)
that 2grand i was talking about earlier, is going towards paying my bro back, he lent me the money to buy it and so yeh. gotta start saving up again and 10/hour is not gonna get me there very fast :'(
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brisbane
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December 2004
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Re: turbo charging a 3sge
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Tue, 03 May 2005 05:52
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nezza did the conversion for under 4000... mine cost about 7500
both did most the work ourselves but i have a few extra goodies but i think youll be pleasently suprised of the power of a standard 3sgte... all depends on who u know if you arent good with a spanner if you are it is a piece off piss the sv21 camry box is a simple option but ur 162 box will bolt to the 3sgte with a lil mod to the starter motor hole... engine bolts in as stated above, ecu you have 2 options use the standard one a bit of wiring nothing to drastic if you can read a wiring diagram.. or aftermarket again u can wire your self or pay someone to do it your lookin about $2200 for a half decent ecu suplied fitted and tuned. and the list goes on and on and on have a look in the 4th gen section of ozcelica.com if you are interestd in parts and prices ive started to do a write up
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