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ae92 lowering: cut the springs or genuine one
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Tue, 19 November 2002 01:15
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ok guys..i own a ae92, with a 4a-fc engine, done a few mods to the engine. as i am aware, the 4a-fc is weak(dunno bout the one i have. Got pretty good guts). but who cares.
anyways i;m thinking of of lowering it. Do u guys think it worth putting th bitch down to its ass.
If so, which one is better? cut them or a genuine one?
i do have a budget for the mags and lowering so, keep that in mind.
if i do put the ass down...would there be more aerodynamic. (more speed) and more smooth
+ any other notes about lowering ass
laters all
jimmy..
thanks
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Perth, WA
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October 2002
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Re: ae92 lowering: cut the springs or genuine one
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Tue, 19 November 2002 02:18
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allow me to tell you what everyone else on this forum will tell you.
DONT CUT THE SPRINGS.
and once more with feeling
DONT CUT THE SPRINGS.
and again: IF YOU CUT THE SPRINGS YOU'RE A BLOODY IDIOT.
this announcement was brought to you by the 'real cars against dangerous rice' foundation.
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Lost in the K hole
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Re: ae92 lowering: cut the springs or genuine one
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Tue, 19 November 2002 03:37
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Hi, im doctor Rudy...
in an earlier episode of life support, you may remember me talking about lowering your car. now for those of you who missed that show, let me remind you of my garunteed, 100% money back methodology...
"buy new springs"
now remember, lowering your car will only work if you...
"buy new springs"
watch my lips
"buy new springs"
100% garunteed to work, but only if you...
"buy new springs"
cheerio
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Re: ae92 lowering: cut the springs or genuine one
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Tue, 19 November 2002 03:49
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HAHAH, this is good...ok
i understand i am NOT TO CUT THE SPRINGS!!!! 
ok, no worries there, so buy new springs...
what about the standard shockies? will they be ok with lower springs??
how low do you recommend to go for an ae92 seca?
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I supported Toymods
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Re: ae92 lowering: cut the springs or genuine one
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Tue, 19 November 2002 03:57
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reasons to cut ya springs
Reasons not to cut ya springs
- it wrecks ya shockies
- makes ya car bounce
- hard to get the right height all round
- Voids any form of insurance, Comprehensive or bomb
- Dangerous, cut them to much they can fall out
- makes ya car look stupid ( as it bounces down the street
ok they are just some of the reasons i could think off my head
Cutting cut Chop Chopping lowering cheaply ( i put these words in so when this topic comes up again next week people can just use the search button and find this thread easy!)
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Re: ae92 lowering: cut the springs or genuine one
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Tue, 19 November 2002 04:36
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haah....ok guys......but the new springs will cost a big time$$$ wont it...
that y i need to get them cut.
because one of my freind is the forum said that if u get them cut..u will need to get them reset afterwood...isn;t that rite guys?
like steve said, will the original stock shockers will be usable?
thanks again..
JIMMY~
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Canberra
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May 2002
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Re: ae92 lowering: cut the springs or genuine one
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Tue, 19 November 2002 05:27
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when i was looking for new springs most places i went had around the same price of $800 give or take abit and that was for Munroe(sp) gas shocks all round and Lowered King Spring all round with new alignment and so on. With abit of shopping around you should be able to get new spring for about 3-400.
Pretty good considering the damage cuts springs can cause your car.
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I supported Toymods
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Re: ae92 lowering: cut the springs or genuine one
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Tue, 19 November 2002 05:38
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hmmm. reckon decent springs are expensive - try shopping around - you will be suprised. although, what is your definition of expensive springs dude?
sure go ahead and cut your springs, will probably cost you a cutting disc for your 4" grinder. oh, and while you're at it consider potentially the cost of your life or someone elses, not to mention the legal fees and invalid insurance costs.
how expensive are proper springs now? 
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Canberra ACT
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November 2002
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Re: ae92 lowering: cut the springs or genuine one
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Tue, 19 November 2002 05:55
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If you can't afford proper lowering springs - then you can't afford to lower your car.
Simple as that!
Get used to the standard height until you can afford springs.
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Southern Sydney
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Re: ae92 lowering: cut the springs or genuine one
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Tue, 19 November 2002 07:20
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King springs are only $150 a pair.
thats $300 to lower your car front and rear.
Its a simple job. Can do it easily in one afternoon if you have some decent tools and can borrow a good jack off somebody.
Plan to upgrade your shocks in the future though. As the standard ones will probably wear out depending on how much you lower it by.
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I supported Toymods
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Tue, 19 November 2002 07:26
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Cheers Remedy...
$300 aint much at all!!
how much we looking at for some decent shockies??
i've heard/read bad things about monroe on this forum before....
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Re: ae92 lowering: cut the springs or genuine one
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Tue, 19 November 2002 07:29
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I think KYB shock are a good alternative.
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I supported Toymods
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Re: ae92 lowering: cut the springs or genuine one
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Tue, 19 November 2002 07:30
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Pfft. Take your springs to a spring works. They can reset your current springs to a lower ride height for a fraction of that.
Or, you can get them to make NEW springs for you at the desired rate and ride height for $80-100 a pair.
If you take your springs to the spring works the only extra information they will need from you is the installed height of your current spring.
See, not really that hard not to be a complete cretin.
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Hobart
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October 2002
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Re: ae92 lowering: cut the springs or genuine one
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Tue, 19 November 2002 07:35
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do king springs have a website with info on all their different spring types? autobarn stock them dont they? are there any online car part stores that sell them also?
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Tue, 19 November 2002 07:38
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http://www.kingsprings.com/
What a cool lookin page...so far i have got as far as the front page...
i have never used/seen this site..
jsut typed it in the browser then...
haha, love the first intro bit how the screen flickers etc
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Townsville, Queensland
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September 2002
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Re: ae92 lowering: cut the springs or genuine one
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Tue, 19 November 2002 07:40
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i know it is dangerous to cut springs but if done properly you can get a set of springs alot cheaper than you would pay for a brand new set of lowered springs. The trick is to get a set of springs for your car that will fit in your car (ie rodeo ute springs for a holden gemini)that are stiffer and then cut them, do it sensibly though as to not go too far. A friend has had great success with the ride and height of a variation of holden springs in his gemini and I have experimented with my Toyota Tercel which has standard springs that are stiff as already and it rides no different now days (just lower, you try buying a set of lowered coils for a 1984 Toyota Tercel 4wd SR5) . You just need after market double action shocks from what I have heard, so you don't screw your standard shocks.
I am not trying to encorage the cutting of springs, but this whole thing about it being the most dangerous thing is not as true as you make it. I have seen more dangerous cars getting around with standard springs than I have with cut springs.
It is really a budget, availablity (yeah the Tercel)and how much you want to play around with them, you don't just "pull em out n cut em n chuck em back in n see how she rides ay", there is a bit more to it than that if you do it properly.
That is my opinion anyway. I know the next car I get (more popular model) I will be buying proper lowered coils for it, just because it is easier etc.
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Re: ae92 lowering: cut the springs or genuine one
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Tue, 19 November 2002 08:03
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guysguys.thanks to all your advice, then i think i should save up, until i can offord some dam kingsprings..then..hey....
but like i said..if new springs..lowered do i need to get a new shockers?..
thanks
jimmy~
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Adelaide
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July 2002
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Re: ae92 lowering: cut the springs or genuine one
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Tue, 19 November 2002 08:46
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this argument about cut springs falling out is crap, my brand new heavy duty lowered springs will fall out just as much in fact more so as they are lower in unsprung height than the cut ones!! i had cut springs, took off 1.5 coils at the rear and 1 coil at the front which basically equates to 2.5 inches rear and 2inches front, i drove around like this for a good couple of months then the cuntstables didnt like the look of my one windscreen wiper in the middle of the windsheild (yeh yeh rice i know) and i got defected  but the ride was fine, pretty bouncy tho ;P and i understand that the springs are made to a certain spring rate so that when u cut it u stuff em up and the chances of hitting the bumpstops are increased but if u drive sensibly and don't hit big potholes at speed then you'll be fine. there is no substitue for a good set of properly lowered springs, ive got a good set in there now from Industrial Springs on Port Road and they are excellent. From what i've been told if u lower the car more than 30mm you *should* replace the shocks because they are not designed to work at that height and can wear out quicker or just not work properly or both.
Bliz see if anyone on here knows if the AE92 struts and springs are the same as on the AE82 if so then u can have my cut springs if u want 
Another option bliz is to go to industrial and they will reset ur current springs to what ever height u want this is probably better than cut springs i'd say u'd be looking at about 80 for the 4 springs. they also do real lowered springs at about 120 a pair, so 240 for the set.
And i also don't understand the misconception that everyone i have to talked to has, i've been to tyre shops, muffler places, suspension places, and they've all told me that changing the springs is a hard job that u shouldn't do yourself!! its piss easy with the help of a good socket set and spring compressors!
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Re: ae92 lowering: cut the springs or genuine one
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Tue, 19 November 2002 09:18
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hey.dude..its me jimmy remember........the one that we were suppose to meet up...lol..
and look for some mags..........
erm...what da heck...who cares..just try the lowered cut springs..2 c if they work..have u got the tools
later dude
jimmy
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Hornsby, N.S.W
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Tue, 19 November 2002 10:25
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GUYS PLEASE BE CAREFUL, IF YOU DO NOT MODIFY YOUR CAR SAFELY YOU DONT ONLY PUT YOURSELF AT RISK, BUT YOU PUT OTHER ROAD USERS AT RISK TOO.
I DONT WANT TO BE A VICTIM OF SOMEONE ELSES STUPIDITY,
 WOULD YOU??????????
PLEASE CONSIDER.
JUZZO
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Re: ae92 lowering: cut the springs or genuine one
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Tue, 19 November 2002 10:43
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The whole reason not to cut your springs is cause it will screw your ride. I know it is cool and trendy to have a super low car but the whole idea behind it is to improve handling.
Road cars must have a progressive rate spring in them. This is the LAW! Proggressive rate means they are coiled tighter at one end then the other. This allows the first part of the spring to compress easily and get stiffer further down.
If you cut the top off your springs you are going to have a spring which is too soft and you will bottom out!
If you cut the bottom off, the spring will be too stiff and your car will bounce all over the place resulting in your car handling like a banged up shopping trolley!
in summing up...
YOU ARE A TOOL IF YOU CUT YOUR SPRINGS!!!
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Re: ae92 lowering: cut the springs or genuine one
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Tue, 19 November 2002 10:57
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REMEDY, you said it beautifully
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Re: ae92 lowering: cut the springs or genuine one
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Tue, 19 November 2002 10:59
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ohhhh shucks!!!
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Tue, 19 November 2002 11:05
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are you BLUSHING
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adel
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Re: ae92 lowering: cut the springs or genuine one
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Tue, 19 November 2002 11:57
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haha yeh ofcourse that i;m being carefull. just tyring it on.and give it a few rides down the street,if i don;t like it then i ditch the stock back on then.
You guys see, i;m not the one cutting them. Its a pro place were i;m getting it done. and also gettin them to reset springs...this is still a nono?
laters
jimmy
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I supported Toymods
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Re: ae92 lowering: cut the springs or genuine one
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Tue, 19 November 2002 14:12
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| bliz wrote on Tue, 19 November 2002 22:57 |
You guys see, i;m not the one cutting them. Its a pro place....
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No 'pro place' I know of would recommend cutting springs.
I hope the full force of the law comes down upon you BEFORE you kill an innocent party with your incredible stupidity.
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Re: ae92 lowering: cut the springs or genuine one
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Tue, 19 November 2002 14:14
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what happened to this forum... ??
this thread is a great example of A Grade knobjockey horseshit. guys, about 1,000,000 hits this site gets (per day??) or per week, or whatever, LOTS people read this shit, and you all look like a bunch of UTTER TOOLS!!
get a clue. the forum is here to learn something from. you wanna be an ignoramus cockhead, dont fill the boards with it.
the intelligent answer was given at the top. you wanna be cheap, you wanna try something stupid that could f-uck up your car, and maybe someone else in the process, do it in your own time ey?
goddamn, im getting older by the minute
cheers
ed
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Re: ae92 lowering: cut the springs or genuine one
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Tue, 19 November 2002 14:27
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very interesting piece of engineering gentlemen! fuck the engine mounts, I'll use blutac to mount my engine! you are an inspiration to all!
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Re: ae92 lowering: cut the springs or genuine one
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Tue, 19 November 2002 14:32
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Or cable ties and gaffa tape. 
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Re: ae92 lowering: cut the springs or genuine one
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Tue, 19 November 2002 19:59
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FLY PSI: in your case, with you car being lowered so low, i defenatly think you should by a specfic lowered shock! on that is full designed to be used in a lowered application, NOT MONROE!!!
JUZZO
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Re: ae92 lowering: cut the springs or genuine one
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Wed, 20 November 2002 06:46
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ahaa...lol..yeh..then in that case. i have to safe up for a real 2 pairs of springs...n shit....
lol...my whole car is held togther by PVA glue, who cares about the screw..... 
ok later all~
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October 2002
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Re: ae92 lowering: cut the springs or genuine one
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Wed, 20 November 2002 10:33
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For well-priced springs, call up k-mac. They take ages to make them, but they're bright orange, come wrapped in tonnes of gladwrap and you get a riceboy k-mac sticker too!!!
And, my lowered mx73 ones were 160 bucks a pair. I ordered them about a month ago, and they finally rocked up at work today. And, the swaybars I ordered at the same time have yet to come. And, in two weeks, K-mac are expanding to do carbon fibre strut braces.
And just a quick question, would arse-end mx73 camber kits look the same as front end mx73 camber kits?
[Updated on: Wed, 20 November 2002 10:35]
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