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Re: What would be better to put in??
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Fri, 31 May 2002 18:14
 
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Mate I've got two MA70 third gen supras with 1GGTE's in them. The biggest problem is torque or the lack of! Mine are imports and I only got that motor type because the slim body MA70 that came out in Japan had only that motor. They look beatiful, much better than the wide body (Australian delivered) model, but lack the power. My latest car is in very good condition and so I'm starting now to try some mods on the 1g and just see where it can go on a budget. I post what I come up with.
I don't know what the NA 7M is like but if you were looking to do a conversion with such a big car then I suggest 100% too save your money until you can afford to put in a 1jzgte.
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Re: What would be better to put in??
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Fri, 31 May 2002 23:11
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go the 1GGTE because it is a strait bolt up. seeing your car is already using a 1 GEU the GTE seems like the logical coice.
the 7mg will have more torque but less high end power and it will require an MA crossmember. the 1GGTE uses less fuel than the 7 MG anyway. the GA 60 will be lighter than a MA 61 anyway and do a few weight loss mods and without much effort it will weigh as much as an RA 60so the ssmall difference in torque should make sweet fa. difference.
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Re: What would be better to put in??
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Fri, 31 May 2002 23:14
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oops, hehe 
i read the wrong thing GA 70 not 60 well,
that changes it,
if you can afford some mods go the 1GGTE but if not go the 7 series the lack of torque does make them a little sluggish down low, well at least the one i drove anywayz.
sorry aboot the mistake, ill give myself an uppercut for y.
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Re: What would be better to put in??
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Sat, 01 June 2002 01:25
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I was thinking of getting a 1JZGTE a while back but I've checked out Auto stores and they don't even have parts for the thing...sparks, leads, etc...so I don't wanna pay double to service my car...not my idea for maintenance.
So then I thought about getting a 7MGTE but no one for sale thats in good condition.
Then MX83TOY was selling a 7MGE thats been serviced and stuff and I thought it might be a good idea since I wont have to do that stuff myself. And it's like only 1 second slower than the 7MGTE in stock form and I really want fast 0 - 100 times and be able to tromp it from around 80 - 140 quickly....dunno if the 7MGE can do that...
Then MAD510 is selling a 1GGTE with *everything* which has gotten me lots interested in that one coz its straight out of a GA70. And I want to be able to get come cooler noises and stuff one day just to be able to say I got a turbo even if I don't race people coz the motor mightn't make the car quick. The thing is I dunno the condition of the engine.
Also I just recently got my exhaust system done which included a high flow cat and muffler and 2.5" mandrel bend piping to the back. This costed me $570 and I don't exactly want to buy something that will make me HAVE TO get the exhaust system done again.
Anyway, Japspec, what sort of times can u get with the 1GGTE in the GA70? And it's true, I like the import shape better...for some reason. I'd like to be able to get to 100ks in about 6-7 seconds. This is important to me coz my mate with an EB XR8 reaches it in 8 - 9 seconds.
Thanks for reading...but I need to make a decision so please help me!!!
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I supported Toymods
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Perth WA
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Re: What would be better to put in??
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Sat, 01 June 2002 01:58
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If you put a 1jz you will definitely be getting in the 6-7 to 100kph.
As for consumables, the spark plugs are platinums and should be OK for 80,000+.
The timing belt was freely available from Gates (the 1jz is an international Toyota Engine)
The oil filter is as 7m-gte (ryco 418 ? = $10)
Get a large K&N pod for about $120 that you can wash
You shouldn't need spark leads as the coils plug onto the spark plugs in between the cam covers.
You DO use more fuel (I used to get 400 km per tank as opposed to my wife's 7m-gte that can get 500+ before I tuned the AFC. These are both autos. Now I get about 450km
It also does like to have a 3 inch exhaust, but saying that, the stock exhaust was about 2 1/2 inches
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Adelaide, SA
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Re: What would be better to put in??
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Sat, 01 June 2002 04:15
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I've recently put a 1jz-gte from a jza-70 front cut into my 1986.5 MA70. You require the jza-70 or late model MA-70 crossmember with round, fluid filled mounts (ex toyota $268 ea).
From my experience this is a great conversion but it's not as easy as you might think!. My car currently has all toyota consumables such as air filter ($57.00), new plugs ($13.70 ea) TEMS shocks ($71.80 ea "so cheap!!! - these are 3 way adj KYB items only for TEMS"). Don't be put off by most auto shops, (these guys only cater for holden and fords!) and go to a Toyota dealer. My local guy has been extremely helpful, and most parts were available within 2 days on ordering (ex Sydney).
If you want part numbers etc just ask!
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Re: What would be better to put in??
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Sat, 01 June 2002 05:29
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man the 7m goes trust me it is really good
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Melbourne
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Re: What would be better to put in??
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Sun, 02 June 2002 00:27
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I'd LOVE a 1JZGTE but buying parts from Toyota is not exactly something I would like doing a lot...coz they are EXPENSIVE!!! I bought these interior door handle clips coz 1 of mine got lost at the car audio store when they took my door trims off and it costed me $15.
Anyway, I don't want anything fast fast, just quick enough so I can give it a squirt here and there without feeling ashamed. My current 1GGEU 'sounds' like it's going, but it's really going no where. So I feel embarrassed when I'm in a hurry and tromping it.
Now, I gotta really choose between the 1GGTE and 7MGE, I'll be able to spend a fair bit modding up both engines. Over time I'd say a couple thousand ... up to maybe $4000 - $6000 or a lil more and then I'll stop once it gets to the point where u spend LOTS of money and get very minor performance gains.
I'd like a turbo for cooler noises...could I get it with a 1GGTE?
And Japspec, when u thrash ur car, or go as fast as u can, how does it go? You might say it's slow, but what sorta times and stuff? As I said, I'm more concerned about 0 - 100 times mostly and then from 80 - 140ks.
I should have bought a car with turbo, but back then I was more concerned about insurance.
Is it possible to get the launch power on the 1GGTE fixed up or get turbos to kick in quicker?
[Updated on: Sun, 02 June 2002 00:40]
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Re: What would be better to put in?? 7MGE or 1GGTE??
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Sun, 02 June 2002 04:51
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Jee if you did not like buying parts from toyota cause they were expensive, youd love trying to buy parts from toyota for an import engine, not only are they expensive, but it would not suprise me if toyota requsted a blood sample from you if you need a part.
Out of all the engines that you could put in that car id say go with a 7m-gte, it is a decent size so it could get the car moving, you could use the standard engine gear (turbo, ic etc) and get the car moving, you will find it much easier to get parts for, as the engines was available in Australia, and from my expirience with cars id say that if you want to pull from 80-140 quickly and not to concearned with 0-100 times i find id prefer a torquier engine as you would not have to rev the shit out of it to get it to do such things. But thats just my opinion.
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I supported Toymods
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Perth WA
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Re: What would be better to put in?? 7MGE or 1GGTE??
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Sun, 02 June 2002 06:23
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Well, If you are looking at converting a GA-70 to a 7m-gte (effectively a ma-70), you might as well buy an MA-70 and save the hassle and cost of half-cut / labour / engineering / registration / insurance + time off the road. You could even test drive before you buy (convert) !
This is unless you have a special attachment to your existing car.
(I can understand that)
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Re: What would be better to put in?? 7MGE or 1GGTE??
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Sun, 02 June 2002 06:37
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from 80ks i could drop it to 2nd and put it to some qwick turbo cars, at 80k's it freakn launches hard and trust me when you hold on to the gas it gets really fast quite quickly go to the genral discusion forum and read unexpected wins...ps most of the stuff in there was done with the old engine the one im selling is qwicker....
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Re: What would be better to put in?? 7MGE or 1GGTE??
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Sun, 02 June 2002 08:06
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| mx83toy wrote on Sun, 02 June 2002 4:37 PM |
from 80ks i could drop it to 2nd and put it to some qwick turbo cars, at 80k's it freakn launches hard and trust me when you hold on to the gas it gets really fast quite quickly go to the genral discusion forum and read unexpected wins...ps most of the stuff in there was done with the old engine the one im selling is qwicker....
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Hey dude, I think I'll go with ur engine, but can u get back to me coz I dont want anyone else buying it!!! This is regarding all the things in the email. Also can u explain the bottom end of the engine? You said in ur first topic that u got all the bottom end gaskets done, then u told me in the 2nd topic that u havent touched the bottom end.
Ummm...why I didn't get a MA70 to begin with? Well, out of ALL the cars I looked at that were for sale...I checked out about 12 or something, I forgot...but it was a lot. Some were nice, some were smooth, some were rough, some had nice interior, shit interior...etc so basically I took the one that had a reliable engine, smooth, interior was perfect (only missing 2 things which I got now. They were lock bezel and a door handle clip), had alarm/immobiliser, tinted windows and a nice new spray job. So I thought I'd get that since the guy was desperate to sell to get an extention to his house for an unexpectd baby and that was when I thought I'd get a 1JZGTE with all the money I saved from him dropping the price. But now I've spent some money that was saved on other things so I gotta do a engine conversion NOW, even if it's not as quick as a 7MGTE or 1JZGTE, which I can do next year. But I want some decent speed other than a 1GGEU until then. If I don't do it now, I'm gonna spend the money I got left on wheels or stereo or something and when I want a new engine I won't be able to afford it. Now I kinda can, so I want to do it now. And a 7MGE and 1GGTE are the only 2 options coz they are nicely priced for my budget. I'd need an extra $1200+ for a 7MGTE front cut and I won't even be able to afford to put it in my car unless there are people in Melbourne willing to do it for free to ensure I get a 7MGTE or 1JZGTE in my car. But I highly doubt that will happen, so 7MGE or 1GGTE for me....I think it'll be a 7MGE anyway!
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Re: What would be better to put in?? 7MGE or 1GGTE??
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Sun, 02 June 2002 08:51
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i know the front and rear main seals were done the gasket for the sump was replaced and the (i think the water pump gaket was done)internally its untouched exept for the forged pistons....  just kidding its stock untouched... the top half you know all about
ps. i'm taking the pics on tuesday hopfully you'll have the pics thursday
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Re: What would be better to put in?? 7MGE or 1GGTE??
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Sun, 02 June 2002 11:24
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Thanks mate!!!
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