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I Supported Toymods
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Glenmore Park, NSW
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March 2004
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Perth,western australia
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December 2003
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Re: Emergency panhard rod replacement! help!
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Mon, 09 May 2005 13:54
 
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Ta22 is to short for RA28 as it has a narrower track.
i have also tried this and its not to short but may fit on a lowered 28,
but anyway,
one off an RA23 will fit ,otherwise whiteline make an adjustable oneim preety sure.
what have you got on there now??
cheers
Dom
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I Supported Toymods
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Glenmore Park, NSW
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March 2004
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Re: Emergency panhard rod replacement! help!
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Mon, 09 May 2005 20:48
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what's on there now?
a severely bent ra28 one 
pretty sweet now but .... ive got a whiteline adjustable lined up.
thanks all
Nathan
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I Supported Toymods
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Glenmore Park, NSW
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March 2004
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Re: Emergency panhard rod replacement! help!
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Tue, 10 May 2005 11:45
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bump
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cambo
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May 2002
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Re: Pan Hard Rod - How to propely set?
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Tue, 10 May 2005 11:50
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jack the car up by the diff, adjust so the diffs in the centre. let the car down, check and readjust if necessary.
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Dandenong Ranges, VIC
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July 2004
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Re: Pan Hard Rod - How to propely set?
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Tue, 10 May 2005 11:52
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I installed a Whiteline adjustable rod on my TA22.
I just removed the old one, dropped the car to ride height and adjusted it to the right length and slotted it on. Then just tightened up the adjusting nut.
I dont know if it was the correct way, but it seems to work... seeing that its just there for locating I figured this would work fine, open to suggesstions though.
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I Supported Toymods
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Glenmore Park, NSW
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March 2004
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Re: Pan Hard Rod - How to propely set?
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Tue, 10 May 2005 11:57
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i just cant help but think the positioning may be a bit more precise than that?
drive shafts and uneven loading of the diff pop to mind.. can see a potential for damage.... but then i can over exagertae alot of the time....thats why i ask.
has any1 noticed handling / performance increases with adj pans or is this not the real point of a panhard rod.
Cheers
Nathan
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cambo
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May 2002
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Re: Pan Hard Rod - How to propely set?
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Tue, 10 May 2005 12:18
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driveshafts? i thought this was a ta22?
its not an exact science, tho if you want it exact take it to a place that does wheel allignments and they can laser-align it for you if you want it spot on.
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Dandenong Ranges, VIC
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July 2004
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Re: Pan Hard Rod - How to propely set?
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Tue, 10 May 2005 12:21
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I noticed my car was a bit more balanced, it allowed me to carry more mid corner speed, but this was only compared to before I had the adjustable rod, so my geometry was all out of whack. ie right wheel stuck out about 1" to the side 
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I Supported Toymods
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Glenmore Park, NSW
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March 2004
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Re: Pan Hard Rod - How to propely set?
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Tue, 10 May 2005 12:50
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driveshafts? i thought this was a ta22?
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ra28
wateva you call the watsamajiggy going from the gbox to diff
taill shaft i guess.. what does drive shaft only refer to those on a fwd?
Cheers
Nathan
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I Supported Toymods
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melbourne.vic.au
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May 2002
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Re: Pan Hard Rod - How to propely set?
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Tue, 10 May 2005 13:04
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The way how my brother did it to a mate's Commodore is to jack it up and have the axles supported on stands get 2 planks of wood (same length and thickness) and have it lined pressed up on the rear wheels. With a mesuring tape measure from the outer or inner rear arches. Within 30 minutes the car was perfect and not scrubbing to the one side if the car was loaded up like before...
Cheers.
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S.E suberbs, Vic
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December 2003
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Re: Pan Hard Rod - How to propely set?
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Tue, 10 May 2005 13:47
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to be done right these have to be done at the ride height of the car. I personally raised my car on a hoist with the rear wheels off, lowered it down so that the diff was suported by a work horse and stopped once the diff was in the position that it normally sits at. Then I measured from the top of the brake disk to the inner gaurd, can't get much more accurate than that I think.
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tallahassee FL usOFa
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May 2002
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Re: Pan Hard Rod - How to propely set?
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Tue, 10 May 2005 15:42
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normal ride height, 1/2 full tank & driver present, center the diff.
the diff center is between the axle flanges, not the pinion or drain plug, except by accident.
the body/frame center line should be found, but usually the body/wheel arch is good enough for me on an un damaged/pranged car.
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I Supported Toymods
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Glenmore Park, NSW
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March 2004
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Re: Pan Hard Rod - How to propely set?
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Tue, 10 May 2005 21:09
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allencr: prob is it is pranged (shhh don't tell the misus)
sam_q: that sounds like a convincing method.
ZZT231: sorry but that way sounds confusing.
thanks all for your input!
pretty sure i can nut this one this arvo with a bitta confidence.
Nathan
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I Supported Toymods
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melbourne.vic.au
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May 2002
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Re: Pan Hard Rod - How to propely set?
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Tue, 10 May 2005 23:00
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ZZT231: sorry but that way sounds confusing.
Nathan
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Losen the nut that adjusts the length on the panhard rod then while the car is on the ground measure the distance to the hub to the guards using a stright a 1 meter ruler vertically (The ruler should be touching the ground and the top of the guard). Measure and try and make the distance between the two guards equal. I hope this helps.
Cheers
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Terrigal
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May 2002
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Re: Pan Hard Rod - How to propely set?
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Tue, 10 May 2005 23:04
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I adjusted mine at ride height using the guards as a reference. Same as Sam said.
As I had like 1mm clearance before the wheel scrubs the guards this was the most important area for me to centre it.
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Brisbane
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October 2004
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Re: Pan Hard Rod - How to propely set?
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Tue, 10 May 2005 23:06
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i think zzt231 has the idea, if it were me, then that's what i'd be doing... except in my case the body work probably isn't a good reference, i'd try and rely on the chassis rails...
basically all you need to do is to measure the distance from the outer edge of the wheels, to a central datum point on the car... use the same point for both sides, and just make sure that there is the same distance from both outer edges to that central datum.
drive shafts are the ones from the diff center to the hub, tail shaft is the one from the g'box to the diff 
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Membership Secretary
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Sydney
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June 2002
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Re: Pan Hard Rod - How to propely set?
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Wed, 11 May 2005 00:37
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I put mine Whiteline adjustable on when I went to a disc brake rear end.
I had the diff on chocks and lowered the body of the car onto the diff. Adjusted the rod til it went square thru the mounting hole and presto. Figured this was a good starting point.
I then took the car to my local bridgestone who do awsome wheel alighnments. Prior to having the adjustable rod they told me my diff was out of centre. When I went down there with the newly installed adjustable Item they told my the diff was centred.
So my theory worked.
p.s. Was probably lucky that the car came down square. It had all new bushes so I presumed it would.
My 2c
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Banned by his request
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moved to tamworth
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July 2002
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Re: Pan Hard Rod - How to propely set?
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Wed, 11 May 2005 01:47
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couple of ways to do it! i use 4 x 44 gallon drums with 4 x sheets of ply on the tops of the drums,then sit the car on its disc's on the ply{make sure you put a spanner at each end of the disc's so it dosnt roll of). i use a fork lift to put the race cars on the drums. to do it at home you need to dig a pit in the back yard so when the car is at ride height you can reach all four corners or if your lucky with two people you might be able to reach under each hub(but it needs to be exact,dont want to crab down the road). pick a point on the bottom of you hubs must be exact point on each{i drill a small hole and put very small self tapper in each as you have to measure for setup every race}.then just measure diagnally front to rear both sides and ajust bar so you get exactly the same measuments for both side! easy. then go for a good drive and measure again to make sure everything has moved,this way you can make sure there wasnt binding anywere.
mick
p.s sorry about typos.
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cambo
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May 2002
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Re: Pan Hard Rod - How to propely set?
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Wed, 11 May 2005 11:28
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dood that sounds out of the realms of most peoples efforts, whos gonna bother digging a pit? does sound acurate tho.
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Banned by his request
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moved to tamworth
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Re: Pan Hard Rod - How to propely set?
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Wed, 11 May 2005 21:06
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ment to add it dosnt have to be a deep pit as in stand under the car and have headroom. just so you can get under and measure as most will be low cars. sorry must have sounded funny guys digging these massive holes in backyard.
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I Supported Toymods
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Glenmore Park, NSW
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March 2004
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Re: Pan Hard Rod - How to propely set?
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Wed, 11 May 2005 22:37
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thanks guys...pulled the old one off last night.
darn old nuts....diff mount crown nut stripped right out on removal.
bolt is fine ...ive fixed that thread.
where is my best bet to get a new crown nut...the ones that have a split pin go thru?
Cheers
Nathan
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Location:
Adelaide
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May 2003
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Re: Pan Hard Rod - How to propely set?
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Thu, 12 May 2005 00:22
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Just go get a nylocker of the same size. And check it more often.
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I supported Toymods
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I renounced punctuation
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May 2002
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Re: Pan Hard Rod - How to properly set?
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Thu, 12 May 2005 02:35
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In an ideal world your panhard rod should be horizontal to the ground at ride height. This reduces horizontal movement with upwards and downwards movement of the axle as it will travel thru the "flattest" (relative to the end of the Panhard rod) portion of the arc. If you are in a position to do this then I would certianly go for it.
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I Supported Toymods
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Glenmore Park, NSW
Registered:
March 2004
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Re: Pan Hard Rod - How to properly set?
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Sat, 14 May 2005 02:22
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done!
with it only being a degree or two off being paralell with the ground...lovely!
thanks hepas every1!
now to fix that buckled rim making noise...LOL 
Cheers
Nathan
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