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drifting ae86 sprinter australian standard car
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Sat, 01 June 2002 04:22
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hey guys...
im thinking bout buying an ae86 to use as a day 2 day car and to drift alot in. if i buy a standard sprinter will it be powerfull enough to drift. or will i have to mod it?
if so what mods and roughly how much.
joe
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Re: drifting ae86 sprinter australian standard car
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Sat, 01 June 2002 04:35
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well a standard sprinter has the carby 4A-C ( like 50kw) so no...
unless the roads are soaked and u are a good driver...
try getting a sprinter with a 4A-GE already converted to it.
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Re: drifting ae86 sprinter australian standard car
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Sat, 01 June 2002 04:43
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cheers,
how much do they go for? 4000?
cos thats all i got.
joe
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Re: drifting ae86 sprinter australian standard car
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Sat, 01 June 2002 06:59
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they go for usually 5-6grand (or a bit more)
depending on condition etc ( thats with a 4A-GE ) not often they are up for grabs tho
but 4A-C sprinters go for like 2-4k
depending on condition etc again.
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Re: drifting ae86 sprinter australian standard car
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Tue, 04 June 2002 08:37
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what oes the conversion cost.
ive almost finnished building a nissan et turbo.... damn no drift fwd,, tho 12-15 psi is fun.... so im sick of doing the work myself, especially as i nolonger have access to a garage, so how much to get the swap to the twin cam done by a mechanic? oh yeah and a realistic price not one a mate might be able to get.
joe
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Re: drifting ae86 sprinter australian standard car
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Tue, 04 June 2002 10:12
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sell the ET,and it should just cover the conversion costs.
or,sell it and put the money you have aside into a silvia.
Justin...
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Re: drifting ae86 sprinter australian standard car
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Wed, 05 June 2002 08:38
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Hey..
I don't have access to a garage either, nore the tools.
Cost me $3300 from a blown up 4ac to get the imported TVIS MAP rear wheel drive motor put in, with a 6 month warranty from Just Toyota in Melbourne.
Top job, took a little time though.
Tho I've had one rebuild, new radiator, new fan/fanbelt (all under warranty, didn't cost me one cent) I really have no complaints.
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Re: drifting ae86 sprinter australian standard car
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Wed, 05 June 2002 10:14
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yer get a silvia as fergo said
just make sure its a turbo, otherwise u will feel dissapointed as the car looks faster than it is *sigh*
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Re: drifting ae86 sprinter australian standard car
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Wed, 05 June 2002 13:25
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What about a 4AGZE in a sprinter, I could imagin that would make for some good drifting ! 
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Re: drifting ae86 sprinter australian standard car
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Wed, 05 June 2002 23:45
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how much to get the 4agze put in? 4000?ish im definately going to buy a sprinter and then ill save for the conversion. oh and how much for a 100kw 4age?
cheers joe
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Re: drifting ae86 sprinter australian standard car
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Thu, 06 June 2002 07:00
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ok it depends on your definition of drift...........
if by drift u think like most people, getting sideways somewhere then yeah a 4ac will do it trust me. 
In the wet it is much easier, but with some speed in the dry u can get sideways.
Just get some understeer and wait for it to snap back and it will get out.
But anthing other than a bit of sideways out of the exit of a corner and the 4ac ain't too good.
Need more power like ge or better gze.
ge gets sideways fine in dry especially with bad rear tyres hehe
But u have to add in suspension too cos the stock stuff is CRAP
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Re: drifting ae86 sprinter australian standard car
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Thu, 06 June 2002 11:16
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what do i need for the 4age conversion. microtech new fuel system? im not sure could someone please help?
joe
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Re: drifting ae86 sprinter australian standard car
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Thu, 06 June 2002 14:13
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or actually, you might be better off with an rx7...
you could get one of those old 13b non turbo ones for $3000 or so?
they make about 88kw I think, and are a well ballanced car.
So half the price of a 4age sprinter, with about the same power etc.
-fOOZ.
oh and yes, I do drive an ae86 with a 4age, so no flames about the suggestion of a mazda
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Re: drifting ae86 sprinter australian standard car
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Sun, 09 June 2002 07:23
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got a mate with a rx7 12a turbo, its a cool car but not for me.... im going to go the ae86 with a 100kw red top. can u still get the rwd engines or do u need to convert a fwd?
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Re: drifting ae86 sprinter australian standard car
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Mon, 10 June 2002 02:15
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you have to convert a 100kw 4age,as they were never made in FR form.
do you know someone who can reverse manifolds? that's one thing you'll need done. IRALLY has one sitting around already done I believe.
you'll need to get the wiring loom from the donor AE92,and splice it into the ae86's,adding the appropriate computer,and extra wiring to run the new fuel system.
add in a fuel pump,mounts,and new lines throughout.
also,grab a thermo fan for the radiator(and a switch to control it) as the FR waterpump won't take the load of a belt-driven fan.
you'll need new hoses as well.
Use the engine mounts off of your 4AC,and use the ae92's flywheel. add in a new clutch.
also don't forget a new exhaust system,as the GE's runs down the opposite side to the C pipework. you might want to heatshield your clutch slave cylinder,it's hoses, and starter motor while you're at it.
getting someone to do this work will set you back a couple to three grand on top of the parts costs. total costs including buying a std oz-spec levin will be up around the $10k mark. 
don't bother. just buy a silvia. more power std,easy to get parts for compared to a sprinter(which you'll need seeing as you want to be a drifter),and about the same to insure. 
Justin...
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Re: drifting ae86 sprinter australian standard car
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Sat, 29 June 2002 15:38
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umm, fergo308.. I don't mean to disagree with you again.. but..
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getting someone to do this work will set you back a couple to three grand on top of the parts costs. total costs including buying a std oz-spec levin will be up around the $10k mark.
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A workshop should only charge about $1000 labor for the conversion, that's converting a 4ac sprinter to a 4age sprinter.
Using the map sensored 128hp rwd 4AGE.. (the tvis one! with the big ports! and the 9.4:1 CR as opposed to the smallport which has a 10.4:1 CR and only 8 hp more).
As I said previously, it cost me $3,300 to get a 4age installed into my sprinter.
$950 of that was labor.
if you got your own engine, the 100kw one or so, and did lots of the work yourself (i.e. taking out old motor, putting in the new fuel system, bolting in the new engine and mating it to the gearbox) then I can't imagine the conversion costing much at all.
anyway, getting it totally done in a workshop should set you back no more than $3000 ($3300 including GST).
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Re: drifting ae86 sprinter australian standard car
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Sun, 30 June 2002 09:34
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>fergo308.. I don't mean to disagree with you again.. but..
doesn't matter,discussion is a good thing.
>A workshop should only charge about $1000 labor for the >conversion, that's converting a 4ac sprinter to a 4age sprinter.
wow,I'd like to know who you've been using to get that kind of drive-in,drive-out swap cost. that includes everything needed,supplied and fitted? fuel system,loom mods,the lot?
>Using the map sensored 128hp rwd 4AGE.. (the tvis one! with the >big ports! and the 9.4:1 CR as opposed to the smallport which >has a 10.4:1 CR and only 8 hp more).
sure,the 88kw engine is much easier to do the swap,as they were originally rear wheel drive. however,this post was discussing fitting a 100kw engine to a sprinter,so I borke down what's required and the associated costs as I understand them.
if you can find an FR 4AGE,it's worth buying over a 100kw,as the amount of hassle saved,is well worth the difference in the power curve IMHO. once the engine is in,you can always look at using a 100kw bottom end and dropping the 88kw head and manifolding onto it later,to get the benefits of both types.
>As I said previously, it cost me $3,300 to get a 4age installed >into my sprinter.
yeah,a RWD 4AGE,as stated. not a FF-converted 100kw 4AGE.
>if you got your own engine, the 100kw one or so, and did lots >of the work yourself (i.e. taking out old motor, putting in the >new fuel system, bolting in the new engine and mating it to the >gearbox) then I can't imagine the conversion costing much at >all.
as was also stated in the thread previously,the person asking about doing the swap can't do the work himself. he doesn't have the tools,nor a place to do the job.
>anyway, getting it totally done in a workshop should set you >back no more than $3000 ($3300 including GST).
and if you can find a shop which can supply the engine,and fit everything that's required for that money,keep going there,as they will be the only one in the world who can,and stay in business. $3k would be doing the job almost for free. the parts needed alone will cost more than half that.
go back and re-read my post,do the math,and you'll see that I'm closer to the mark than you think.
Justin...
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Re: drifting ae86 sprinter australian standard car
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Sun, 30 June 2002 09:49
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Sorry Justin, my bad!
I thought we were talking about getting a 4age into a sprinter, read not twice but thrice now, yes a 4age 100kw motor would be fairly more expensive.
But, the workshop I went to (Just Toyota) did drive in drive out for $3300 with me doing no work myself (the $3300 is including GST and the tow truck to pick it up from my place).
They located the engine, they did everything, even a nice set of 4-2-1 2" extractors (technically headers?).
It took some time (3, 4, 5, 6 weeks?) I can't exactly remember, because well, it felt like an eternity having no car.
I think that was the first time they did it to, so I'm guessing it'd be a fair bit quicker the next trip through, their head (I think) mechanic Phill is rahter, well, special. He can look at my motor and tell me what's wrong with it 
Oh! they also took care of everything regarding the new engine in the car, wtih vicroads and such.
Grant.
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Sun, 30 June 2002 10:01
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Grant,
that still is a very good price you got. I'm honestly amazed,though I can think of ways to still make a few hundred off the job with that figure.
*taking 6 weeks-they worked on it between other jobs,which cuts down their labour spent
*supplying a motor,with new extractors-they bought an engine from a wrecker,minus manifolds(much cheaper that way),and got all the bits separately. extractors can actually work out cheaper to buy than the std manifolds,as these as quite rare nowadays afaik.
the inlet manifolds are getting rare as well. I regret having sold the one I had.
how was your loom and fuel system done? what ecu is running the show?
Justin...
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Re: drifting ae86 sprinter australian standard car
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Sun, 30 June 2002 14:21
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Justin, they had the engine imported from one of their sources in japan, or so I'm lead to belive.
It's the original ECU, which they wired up.
the engine came with everything bar the exhaust manifold and pipes etc.
I've got the reciept right here, if you really wanted, I could scan it on for ya so you could see exactly what was spent on what..
Labor - $950
4age minus ex. manifold - $1045
Extractors - $550
parts total (includin 4ag, but not extractors) - $1380
and i got a 6 month/10,000 k warranty on parts and labor.
Which has served me well, a few oil leak fixes, new radiator and one rebuild (WHICH THEY DID IN TWO DAYS!!!)
$50 for towin, and $70 to test radiator (radiator test was at my request btw.).
They've been spot on with follow up support, if i have a problem, or a question, it's usually fixed that night, apart from the gearbox dying, and the rebuild.
So it went in as a dead 4ac ae86, and came back as a 4age, with extractors, and a pod filter ! all for $3300!
Anyway, Joemor, there you have it, the price of a twincam 4a into your car in melb with warranty.
I can't imagine a 4agze into sprinter would cost much more than a 100kw motor either come to think of it, anyway, enjoy.
Grant.
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Re: drifting ae86 sprinter australian standard car
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Sun, 30 June 2002 15:53
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btw i reckon drifting in an aus spec ae86 is possible..
it doesn't mean u can hold the drift for long tho
try clutch kicking [kills your clutch]
in the wet u can just accelerate and it will slide out
clutch kicking in the wet will make the back snap out [and u can keep controlling it]
i've tried these, but i had a lowered car..
shouldn't make too much difference ..just really short small angled drifts which generally only work well in one direction due to no lsd
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Re: drifting ae86 sprinter australian standard car
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Mon, 01 July 2002 02:13
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I thought the AE86 Tureno (aka sprinter) came with a 4A-GE???
and the Levin's came with...???
Not sure, can some one set me straight??? 
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Re: drifting ae86 sprinter australian standard car
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Mon, 01 July 2002 14:00
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Most of the Jap-spec AE86 Levin's and Trueno's came out of the factory with 4AGEs. Some of the earlier AE85s were equipped with 3As and some AE86s had 4ACs in them. The 4AGE motors were the mojority. Both the Trueno and Levin share the same chassis...just a different front end, and easily 'swappable' too!!
Cheers
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Re: drifting ae86 sprinter australian standard car
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Mon, 01 July 2002 22:57
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So the Tureno and Levin are the same except for the front end and if you want one stock standard with a 4A-GE it will be am import??
AFAIK... the Tureno has pop-up headlights and the Levin has fixed?? is this correct??
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Re: drifting ae86 sprinter australian standard car
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Tue, 02 July 2002 11:05
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Yeah, unfortunately it will have to be, if you are after an original model with a 4AGE in it. Imports are available around, and prices they range from about $5500 to $10000+ for a mint condition 1986 AE86 with heaps of fruit.
Trueno = pop up lights.
Levin = standard style lights.
Don't forget the Levin and Trueno both also came out with 3-door coupes too!
Cheers.
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Tue, 02 July 2002 23:45
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Heh, thanks for clearin that up for me mate
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Re: drifting ae86 sprinter australian standard car
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Wed, 03 July 2002 07:31
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| 1bam777 wrote on Tue, 02 July 2002 9:05 PM |
Don't forget the Levin and Trueno both also came out with 3-door coupes too!
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I think that should be 2 door coupes
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Wed, 03 July 2002 10:22
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oops..........sorry about the typo... 2-door coupe is correct!!
I've driven both (standard) hatch and coupe, and the coupe feels a lot tighter.
Nice Trueno Coupe!! Bet she hammers on dirt!
Cheers!
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Wed, 03 July 2002 12:24
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well not knocking the 4A-GE idea's but i have an aus sprinter and have a put a 3T-GTE in mine and with a little work i pulled 155 kw. Nothing beats turbos and adjstble boost
And let me tell u "it fucking drifts!"
155kw motor in a 950 kg rwd is a deadly weapon!
if u want to drift u wanna spend it on a trick motor and suspension!
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Re: drifting ae86 sprinter australian standard car
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Tue, 09 July 2002 16:07
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ok.. i'm soooo lost....
i wnat an AE86 sprinter (not trueno, they're frickin ugly)... and i wanna put a RWD 4AGE in to avoid having to feck around converting it and so forth... how much will it cost to just put teh RWD version in with ECU etc?? i dont care if the FWD version is more powerful or whatever, i'm after less fuss, and mroe saved cash.
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Re: drifting ae86 sprinter australian standard car
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Tue, 09 July 2002 20:59
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isnt' there an old saying "if you have to ask,you can't afford it"?
sprinters ARE a waste of money. you can't make any financial sense out of buying a car this old,and spending at least what the car's purchase price was,if not double,to get it to go well.
you would only do the work and go to all the hassle involved if you geniunely love the car,and plan to keep it for a good period of time.
people on a really tight budget are slitting their own throat by buying a sprinter. if someone reverses into the car you saved up to for 6 mths to buy and dings in the guard and smashes the park light,you'll be looking for a replacement for months,if you can even afford to buy a replacement from someone.
the car is getting rare enough now that certain bits only turn up when someone wrecks one,and you end up fighting with 10 other prospective buyers for an indicator or tail light.
this isn't a car you can just wander down to your local toyota dealer and buy bits for anymore. you need to put in special orders,and wait months for parts.
you are much better off when starting out to by a common,easy-to-get-parts-for car,and having fun in that until you both learn and earn a bit,and can move up.
sprinters are for people who don't care what it costs,they're in one for the fun of driving it,and living with the car is an associated cost of that fun.
Justin...
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Re: drifting ae86 sprinter australian standard car
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Thu, 11 July 2002 04:19
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amen to that last post.
you hit the nail on the head
beofre a sprinter is even mildly entertaining u need, engine conversion, suspension pakage, 14-15" wheels.. and a decent seat to hold you in place when u go for a fang
I think the key to Sprinters handling apeal is not the ultimate grip limit, more the balance on the limit ie a WRX can corner faster but what is better to corner in at that speed 
Mike
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