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I supported Toymods
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Harnesses
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Sat, 23 November 2002 02:44
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Thinking about getting harnesses for my Recaro seats...do I require a roll cage to use these, otherwise how are they fitted to an Ae86. Taking out the back seat is an option, but I would prefer to keep it.
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South Australia
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Re: Harnesses
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Sat, 23 November 2002 13:48
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Bolting them to the back seat mounts is probably not the best idea. Puts too much downward pressure on the seat during a high speed accident - that's why rally cars are only allowed to mount them horizontally (or thereabouts).
Also, I think when you change the seating capacity of your car, it needs to be certified or re-registered, I'm not sure about the full details for that though.
Unless you are planning to put yourself in a situation where you will have a high speed accident, I'd stick with the lap-sash.
And there is almost no safe way to keep the back seats and put in a harness (for above-mentioned reasons).
ON TOP of all that, not all harnesses are ADR approved, most are FIA or SFI approved and have no approval for use on the oz roads so look for the ADR compliance label if you still want to get them.
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Harnesses
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Sat, 23 November 2002 13:56
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thanks for that
so id be better off installing a harness bar or a full rollcage?
im thinking of myself here, safety is important if im going to be racing my 86. i have to get ADR compliant harnesses to race anyhow
any good brands recommended?
im awake that u have to re-register the car afterwards
im thinking i might just scrap the back seat and carpet etc
not sure though... might need a car for transporting PEOPLE one day
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Harnesses
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Sat, 23 November 2002 21:56
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Go here. These are CAMS guidelines. Go to schedule I for some guidelines.
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Re: Harnesses
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Sun, 24 November 2002 23:23
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ae86drift: if you are going to be racing your AE86, then you will most likly have to install a roll cage any way. Better read the Cams manual first!! This may also have a bearing on weather or not you can remove the rear seat and carpet!
Also, heres somthign else to think about. Say you roll your car. If your in a harnes, and dont have a roll cage, what happens if your roof crushes in? where do you go? Thats why its always a good idea to have at least a half cage when usung harneses.
The idea behind a lap sash seat belt is you can lay over to one side if your cars roof crushes in. (weather or not you can actualy do that in an accident s another matter!)
Yes, it is possible to get a cage into a road car legaly, but it will cost time and money to get it passed, it must be done to a Cams competition spec, and you may have to butcher some of the interior and dash to get the cage in correctly!
Also, is some states, the may require you getting a 'dedicated rally car' registration, which apart from being expensive, has a number of stipulations about when and why you can drive the car on the road.
To race under Cams, the belts dont have to be ADR compliant. They have to meet a specification that Cams is happy with (FIA, SFI etc) How ever, if you have a rally car, this would mean you would need ADR compliant ones as a rally car is driven on the road as part of a rally. (this applies to seats as well!!)
Supraman has a good solution i think. The harneses sound like they are installed correctly, and he has left hiself the back up of standard belts 'just in case'.
Another 'got ya' is that in the specifications for SFI belts (this is not Cams, but the manufacturer) is that SFI certified belts MUST be returned to the manufacturer every 2 years to have the webbing replaced, no matter what condition they are in! I've been caught out by this once!
Last but not least, having been in a rally car accident a couple of times now, get 3" wide harnesses! Much better the 2" if you do actualy hit somthing. If you are serious about getting harneses for safety, get a 5 or 6 point style with the crotch belt as well. Not only does this hold the waist belt at a better position, it will stop you 'submarineing' under the belts and having to pick your knee caps pout from under the dash in a head on accident! (I've seen it happen! She ended up with 4 broken ribs as well...)
remember, you get what you pay for! Dont skimp on saftey equipment.
Craig.
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