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twincam_ke20
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icon5.gif  need answer quick for-AE92sx 20v swap please Mon, 16 May 2005 22:51 Go to next message
before i start, yes i have searched this site and twincam16 for answers but cant find anything Confused

now, i just bought a written off sx (91` model) with a 20v fitted/running all good.

wanting to swap this in to our sx (90` model) for the 100kw 4age.

so far the 100kw is out and the 20v is in already just for the loom to be pluged in to the ecu. Now my question is, will it all fire and work properly if i just plug it all in? cos all the plugs (engine and body looms) are all the same and go straight in (using 20v ecu of course)

will this work? because thats all it seemed to be in the sx i took the 20v out of and im guessing the body looms wouldnt be different from a 90 model to a 91 model sx would they?


So i guess what im wanting to know is, can i just plug it all up and away we go? or do i need to change a wire or two?

thanks
geoff

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Re: need answer quick for-AE92sx 20v swap please Tue, 17 May 2005 00:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
bump

please, someone? would really like to get it back on the road today
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Re: need answer quick for-AE92sx 20v swap please Tue, 17 May 2005 02:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
okay, i bit the bullet and pluged everything in, it fired first go, ran for about minute `n` half then just slowly died Mad

any idea's?
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Re: need answer quick for-AE92sx 20v swap please Tue, 17 May 2005 02:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
The engine wiring loom from the 16v is definitely different to the 20v's loom. The written off SX must have had the 20v loom fitted to it with some modifications for it to connect correctly to the body loom under the dash, the battery and the relay/fuse box near the battery.

If you have swapped the 20v loom over with the motor, you will probably find it has already been converted to connect properly to the fuse box near the battery. However, you need to check if the wiring to the instruments, starter switch, etc. in the written off car is the same as the car that used to have the 16v in it (I doubt it very much as I had to make some changes to allow it to work in mine). A least do a wire for wire colour comparison (between the written off car and the donor car) on the plugs under the dash near the ECU that connect the engine loom to the cabin loom. You also have some wires going to the ECU that come from the body loom that are different so check them too.

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Re: need answer quick for-AE92sx 20v swap please Tue, 17 May 2005 03:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
twincam_ke20 wrote on Tue, 17 May 2005 12:52

okay, i bit the bullet and pluged everything in, it fired first go, ran for about minute `n` half then just slowly died Mad

any idea's?


that it started is a bonus, but yeah, start tracing wires from the engine loom until it connect to the rest of the wiring and compare with yours... shouldn't be too hard, but be thorough in checking each wire.. just in case...
good luck!
Cya, Stewart
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Re: need answer quick for-AE92sx 20v swap please Tue, 17 May 2005 04:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
hey stu, thansk for the reply! Smile

think i may have found the problem though, crack right through the dizzy cap Mad

on my way to get a new one tho Very Happy
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Re: need answer quick for-AE92sx 20v swap please Tue, 17 May 2005 08:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
well the new dizzy cap seems to make it idle a bit better, but still doesnt run for any longer then 30secs

seems like there is no fuel of something getting it to ?!

help please!!!


can anyone tell me if the sx loom needs to be modified to work with the 20v or what?

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Re: need answer quick for-AE92sx 20v swap please Tue, 17 May 2005 09:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
just use the loom from the written of car.
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Re: need answer quick for-AE92sx 20v swap please Tue, 17 May 2005 09:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
i have, but im talking about the body loom that in the car, not the motor loom

im not swaping those looms! fuk that idea
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Re: need answer quick for-AE92sx 20v swap please Tue, 17 May 2005 22:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
You don't need to replace the body loom, just work out which wires have been relocated on the plugs by comparing the body loom plugs on both the written off car (car A) and the one that now has the 20v in it (car B). Check all plugs that go to the engine loom under the dash on both cars and check if wire colours are different. Also check the body loom plugs that goes into the ECU (from memory, two plugs for the ECU are part of the Engine loom but one plug comes from the body loom).

The guy who converted Car A would have made some modifications to his body loom to make it work (I certainly had to with my 20v conversion in an AE92) and you need to replicate these changes.

Check out the wiring diagram in the Technical Docs of the ToyMods site (4A-GE 20valve wiring.zip) for how the engine wiring works. There are other copies of these wiring diagrams on the net where some of the japanese has been translated slightly better - but I can't remember the exact sites Sad . Unfortunately these wiring diagrams only include details of wiring for the motor and not other general electrics for the car but they should be enough to help your problem.

Toby

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Re: need answer quick for-AE92sx 20v swap please Thu, 19 May 2005 02:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
twincam_ke20: why should this thread be deleted? There is some good direction on where to find info. Maybe not what you were exactly looking for, but someone else might use it.

Secondly, if you want the mods to do something with a thread, there's a "Report to Moderator" link in the bottom right of the messages. Otherwise, how are we going to find it? We don't look at every thread all the time.
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Re: need answer quick for-AE92sx 20v swap please Thu, 19 May 2005 04:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
http://www.rollamods.com/ae101_20v_wiring.htm
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Re: need answer quick for-AE92sx 20v swap please Thu, 19 May 2005 05:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
if you plug in just the engine loom out of the wreck it should all work. No re-wiring required as the engine was already in an AE93.

Then again, all of this depends on if the person that did the 20V swap in the first place was smart enough to make a plug and play loom for the 20V > ae93.

At worst you will have to re-pin the 12-pin ecu plug and 22 pin F plug so the wire colours match the two plugs in the loom from the wrecked car.

The last AE101 20V to SX swap I did I just repinned the 12 pin dash plug, and 22 pin F plug (body harness).

It's likely that the circuit opening relay isn't getting the right feed from one of the plugs, and the car is running off it's initial startup feed of fuel. If the COR is not keeping the fuel pump running, that's your issue. You can temporarily hard-wire the fuel pump under the back seat to confirm if fuel is the culprit, wire 12V to the blue wire with black stripe at the fuel pump.
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Re: need answer quick for-AE92sx 20v swap please Thu, 19 May 2005 12:18 Go to previous message
it should be deleted cos its wasting space now! with useless posts! iv fixed the problem, and thats that.

other wise this will just keep going like 90% of the other threads and fill with pointless posts!
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