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replacing 6a-f with 4a-ge
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Sat, 01 June 2002 07:28
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hi
i'm looking to replace my current 6a-f with the 100kw 4a-ge. just wondering how hard the conversion is going to be to do myself or should get someone else to do it?
whether the current gearbox (which is sweet as still) will mate and handle the load well enough?
how hard it is to make the wiring loom?
whether any probs going from carby engine to efi one?
don't really have alot of time on my hands so can't afford to have the car off the road for ages.
any thoughts?
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Re: replacing 6a-f with 4a-ge
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Sat, 01 June 2002 13:02
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myself or should get someone else to do it?
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if you think you can do it.. then save some money and go for it
if you take it to a workshop they would quote you about 1.5k-2k just for labour + about $250 for efi fuel tank + extras
so if you reckon you could pull the old apart and have tools or can borrow tools.. you'll save a whole lot.. so whenever your stuck you can just ring a mobile techy to fix you up.
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whether the current gearbox (which is sweet as still) will mate
and handle the load well enough?
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when you get the engine it gerneraly comes with the gearbox on it..
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how hard it is to make the wiring loom?
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hard.. if you dont know what your doing.. you'll need the right books and diagrams.. its better to buy the loom right from the wreckers (if not given with the engine)
things you'll need
*engine looms
*chassis loom this will get you running
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whether any probs going from carby engine to efi one?
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not if you get it setup right
the fuel tank should be replaced to an efi one.. which would be an easier bet.. unless your comfortable doing with an aftermarket pump.. with the conversion i did.. the old carby tank went.. efi tank took its place.. checked the back seat found a plug allready for her 
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don't really have alot of time on my hands so can't afford to have the car off the road for ages.
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like i said workshops would generaly take between 3-6+weeks
if your comfortable with it.. and have all parts ready you should be able todo it over 2 weekends
hope this helps mate!
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Re: replacing 6a-f with 4a-ge
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Sun, 02 June 2002 07:00
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Yeah thanks for the help.
My biggest concern is doing the loom. don't know shit about car electrics and even following wiring diagrams bit of a pain.
Swapping the engine i'm not so worried bout.
Is it worth unbolting my current gearbox (c50) and then rebolting that to 4A-GE or using the one that comes with it?
I know exactly what current one is like and as said the shift is still sweet on all the gears even tho done 230K kms or so.
Whats the difference between efi fuel tank and carby one? Just the pump?
I've been looking round the web heaps for info on the conversions but doesn't seem to be any/much on carby to efi conversions and engine swaps in ae92s. Bit of a pain really coz really interested in doing it.
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Re: replacing 6a-f with 4a-ge
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Sun, 02 June 2002 10:39
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| partyjase wrote on Sun, 02 June 2002 5:00 PM |
Yeah thanks for the help.
My biggest concern is doing the loom. don't know shit about car electrics and even following wiring diagrams bit of a pain.
Swapping the engine i'm not so worried bout.
Is it worth unbolting my current gearbox (c50) and then rebolting that to 4A-GE or using the one that comes with it?
I know exactly what current one is like and as said the shift is still sweet on all the gears even tho done 230K kms or so.
Whats the difference between efi fuel tank and carby one? Just the pump?
I've been looking round the web heaps for info on the conversions but doesn't seem to be any/much on carby to efi conversions and engine swaps in ae92s. Bit of a pain really coz really interested in doing it.
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trust me.. just buy the looms
i had to run back and forth about 4 times.. so it pays to have it all..
the gearbox is apparently the same as the carby one im figuring.. i guess the only reason you'll want the engine is if your old one is crap. my had chrunching noises when you try to put it in reverse and sometimes while.. a sound from 2nd gear which isnt really to good =p
the pump is the only thing missing in the tank so you could do an external job. also the fuel filter is alot different 
the old carby one was a el cheapo $2 plastic one.. the new one would be a metal canister version which is supposed to be high pressure?
you best bet is to go half cut.. becuase everything will be there minus the fuel tank?unless you can get a deal where you get the engine/looms(engine=x2,chassis=x1) after that you'll probably need a custom wiring job nothing major just about 3 wires so she can start
ive attached a pic of my engine bay and you'll see some things i mentioned such as the fuel filter just behind the airfilter. custom wiring job i did from ignition to batt( the ones with blue electrical tape =p) and the coil with an ignitor on top/underneath
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Re: replacing 6a-f with 4a-ge
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Sun, 02 June 2002 11:53
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damn wish i had a pic of engine bay right now. dunno if u've seen what 6a-f looks like. pretty crappy 
ain't all that much different tho. fuel filter in basically the same spot so could just replace. also distributor on the right hand side near ur pod filter.
xcuse my ignorance.. but i thought there was only 1 loom - that being the electrics between engine and dash/lights/ignition/etc.
doesn't the pod filter get affected by heat soak in that position?
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Re: replacing 6a-f with 4a-ge
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Sun, 02 June 2002 12:24
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Your car could beat Civic GLi's? Which one?
My car gets caned. Even the base model Civic could nearly 10 secs 0-100...I'd be lucky if my Celica could match the factory 12.2
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Re: replacing 6a-f with 4a-ge
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Sun, 02 June 2002 12:44
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Xfader: How'd you bolt your strut brace to the firewall? Maybe I'm just being dumb, but I can't see how you get in behind there without pulling the dash out...
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Re: replacing 6a-f with 4a-ge
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Sun, 02 June 2002 12:48
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| strutto wrote on Sun, 02 June 2002 10:44 PM |
Xfader: How'd you bolt your strut brace to the firewall? Maybe I'm just being dumb, but I can't see how you get in behind there without pulling the dash out...
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=p
you know with the pic where i had my 4ac.. how i poked the sticker? behind that those leaf guards. pull those out and get some nuts shove the screw and wallah! hehehe
you just gotta squeeze your fingers
after putting the strut brace on its more stable after 4k to about 7k mark.. not like befor the car would lift or follow the road pattern at 4-5k just when the tvis kicks in =/
anyway hows you car mate? you recovered all the dash yet?
i still need to to fix some stuff.. as i put the wrong screws and broke some plasticis 
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Re: replacing 6a-f with 4a-ge
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Sun, 02 June 2002 12:49
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geez even 6a-f could prob beat hunk of junk 4a-c!!! hehehe
wish had a tacho so could see what kinda revs doing when 90km/h comes up in 2nd gear. get round to replacing the cluster sometime soon....
interestd bout the brace as well
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Re: replacing 6a-f with 4a-ge
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Sun, 02 June 2002 12:57
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ohhh i dunno bout that dash... its pretty 80's looking!! 
ae92 dash i reckon just looks so much cleaner. just doesn't have the damn tacho 
how hard to change the cluster? anyone done one and know?
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Re: replacing 6a-f with 4a-ge
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Sun, 02 June 2002 13:01
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| partyjase wrote on Sun, 02 June 2002 10:57 PM |
ohhh i dunno bout that dash... its pretty 80's looking!!
ae92 dash i reckon just looks so much cleaner. just doesn't have the damn tacho
how hard to change the cluster? anyone done one and know?
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but the 80's was the best man =p
thats when the 4A-GE came out, the sprinter, and heaps of other stuff =p
the cluster... hmm i wouldnt have a clue ehehehe
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Re: replacing 6a-f with 4a-ge
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Sun, 02 June 2002 13:16
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hmm the 80's.... wasn't interested enough to appreciate them - was too busy having fun and being a kid!! hehe
anyone know bout the cluster?
guess could just buy an aftermarket tacho but looking at some of the prices... could go crazy!!
idea of changing cluster (even if is harder) appeals to me alot more on the cost basis.
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