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icon5.gif  Celica engine swap feasability Mon, 25 November 2002 13:43 Go to next message
Hi, I'm the owner of a 76 RA23 Celica, (http://www.xdesign.com.au/celica.php), and I've been wondering what kind of engine could fit in it. Everything I've read said a Supra 6 would never fit, yet your site says that a 2JZ-GTE engine will fit. I had a bit of a scrounge around the net and everything I saw said, lots of money, lots of pain in the butt. What would be your comments/suggestions?

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Re: Celica engine swap feasability Mon, 25 November 2002 13:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hey mate

2JZ-GTE ??? i dont think so ....not legal either

the one supra 6 that will fit without moving the firewall is the 1G-GTE (correct me if im wrong ppl)....and i rekcon thats the go

but ppl will prob say that its a heavy angine and that it'll stuff up your handling (looking at u Norbie Razz )

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Re: Celica engine swap feasability Mon, 25 November 2002 14:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Should get removed from the swap list then

RA23 (76 - 78) - 4A-GZE, 18R-GEU, 3T-GTE, 1G-GTE, 7M-GTE, 2JZ-GTE, 3S-GTE, 1UZ-FE

gives people like yours truly crazy idea's Smile
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Re: Celica engine swap feasability Mon, 25 November 2002 14:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
how odd

im assuming youve seen this thread ??

http://www.toymods.org.au/ga23.html

if u havent ....see this thread

http://www.toymods.org.au/ga23.html

oh here it is again

http://www.toymods.org.au/ga23.html

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Re: Celica engine swap feasability Mon, 25 November 2002 14:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
A 2J in an old celica would be possible, but not for a road car. Have you left out 1J or was it not on the list?
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Re: Celica engine swap feasability Mon, 25 November 2002 14:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
yeah, I pretty much read through the extended version of that article abit back. Have to save up some now. Damn having to pay for things, always a down side
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Re: Celica engine swap feasability Mon, 25 November 2002 14:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
BigWorm wrote on Mon, 25 November 2002 22:30

A 2J in an old celica would be possible, but not for a road car. Have you left out 1J or was it not on the list?


List said most powerful engine shown, hence 2j over 1j I believe. I think the hardest thing is just finding out for sure. Everyone I've talked to has had a different opinion. I read one site that said basically forget it, would never fit. Was prolly talking about a different model tho
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Re: Celica engine swap feasability Mon, 25 November 2002 14:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hey, almost anything can be "made to fit". But no one with the know how would bother doing it for a road car.
Why bother when people like yogi (YOGI8U) pull 12 second quarters with a 1.6 4A-GE? Much faster than that & it's gonna need to be a dedicated drag car.

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Re: Celica engine swap feasability Mon, 25 November 2002 14:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Some guy that works near where i live is whacking in a 1JZ-GTE in a 23.....he obviously had to move the firewall back but its gonna fit... but yeah moving the firewall back as u know is a pain in the ass

so i say stick with the 1g-gte ....and youll be more than well satisfied

But if u want i can talk to him and get some details if u want

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Re: Celica engine swap feasability Mon, 25 November 2002 22:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I know of at least two RA23/28's with 1JZ-GTE's installed, and that's with no firewall mods. It's a big job to do it right, but it can be done. The 2JZ-GTE is the same length and width but it's a little bit taller, so it should fit but modifications to the bonnet may be necessary for headroom.

Of course the car's overall weight will go through the roof and chassis balance will be utterly screwed. Half the reason I own an old Celica is because it's so light and "chuckable" - but if you put a big lump of six in the front you're just left with an overpowered 25 year old car that's good for drag racing and not much else.

IMO a 3S-GTE conversion is a much better option. It will be cheaper, it will go in much easier, weight/chassis balance won't be affected, and it will develop more power than an RA23 can realistically use on the street.
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Re: Celica engine swap feasability Mon, 25 November 2002 23:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I am all for pushing the bar a little, but you have to be reasonable, too much engine weight in a light street car is a big dissapointment.

I would go with either the 1G-GTE or a 3S-GTE, they are both great engines, install relatively easily, are engineer friendly and have been done plenty of times before.

I would go for the 1G as there are plenty of guys in the club that have done it before, and know the pitfalls. The engine is tuff as and given a bit of boost will more than satisfy the itchy right foot.

Either way have fun.
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Re: Celica engine swap feasability Tue, 26 November 2002 01:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
1UZ-FE
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Re: Celica engine swap feasability Tue, 26 November 2002 04:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I think after reading what you guys said and doing abit of scrounging around the 1G-GTE sounds like the best option. This is like a, in six months or so project, just wanna make sure I know what I want before I start buying stuff Smile
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Re: Celica engine swap feasability Tue, 26 November 2002 04:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sorry if u already know this but youd prob have to uprade front brakes with that engine....and maybe other things
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Re: Celica engine swap feasability Tue, 26 November 2002 05:47 Go to previous message
Yeah, I figured twice as much power would need some new brakes. Also would need to change the suspension, the travel in it now is bordering on the non-existant Confused
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