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Location:
Sydney
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September 2003
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Defect Question
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Sun, 29 May 2005 11:42
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Well the Supra got done for a couple of defects.This is what she defected the Supra (JZA80) for -
Ground clearance to be checked
Oversize tyre unable 2 put on full lock due 2 hitting wheel guard
Baffle from exhaust missing
= Now I know the ride height is the reason for the wheels hitting the gaurds.So if I raise it it should be fine.She wrote oversize TYRES im presuming she meant to write wheels but couldnt tell the difference does this mean my wheels are legal (19") ? Also WTF is the baffle from the exhaust ? Any advice guys ?
Cheers
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Location:
Penrith
Registered:
February 2005
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Re: Defect Question
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Sun, 29 May 2005 11:56
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your minimum ground clearence has to be 100mm.
It is a legit defect if your wheels scrub on any part of the car.
the wheel one is a little more complicated.. Your wheel and tyre combination must not be more than 24mm total diameter larger than the largest wheel and tyre combo that came standard on that car so if it came stock with 17" rims and big tyres then if you put 19" rims with tiny low profile tyres on it then it should be about the same size.
just stand the wheels with tyres fitted side by side and if there is less than 24mm difference then they are legal.
this is stated in the "light vehicle code of practice" you can get a copy through the RTA technical advisers but it may cost you.
hope this helps.
Cheers,
Kurt.
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Location:
Coffs Harbour
Registered:
October 2004
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Re: Defect Question
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Sun, 29 May 2005 12:33
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is baffle coming from zorst, meaning shit coming outta zorst or somethin ?
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Location:
brisbane
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October 2004
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Re: Defect Question
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Sun, 29 May 2005 12:41
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um i think she means you have gutted the baffling out your exhaust, ie its real loud/free flowing...
as in the baffling in the muffler or if it smells, the cat.
or you have an aftermarket more free flowing exhaust and she cant tell.
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Location:
Sydney
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May 2004
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Re: Defect Question
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Sun, 29 May 2005 19:07
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thort that having more then an inch over ur stock wheel size was defectable...
as for baffle, yeah i think it means having the internals of ur muffler stipped out or no resonator or no cat hence more loud.
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Location:
Newcastle
Registered:
July 2003
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Re: Defect Question
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Mon, 30 May 2005 00:04
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the wheels can be +/- 25mm WIDTH from standard. no more then +/- 15mm tyre/wheel rolling diameter from standard. and cannot change the track more then +/- 25mm from standard.
if your exhaust is louder the 90db when tested appropriatley then its illegal.
if *ANY* part of the car is < 100mm from the ground its illegal (keep in mind there are also restrictions regardling being able to clear gradients)
if *ANY* part of the wheel/tyre scrubs on the body work then its illegal.
simple.. fix em else your car is unroadworthy and your insurance void... not real good when you back into a ferrari.
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Location:
Gawler
Registered:
May 2005
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Re: Defect Question
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Mon, 30 May 2005 05:27
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I know a little about this subject as my nick mane is defect, yes as you have probably gathered you cant actually increase or decrease your tyre wheel combo by 25mm, i used to work at a tyre place and the company that put the tyres and wheels on the car can actually get in a lot of trouble if the combo is said to be dangerous, and since it was defected it is.
but be happy that your defects can be fixed, i currently have some structural rust that i can fix but it will cost a lot, poor poor ke55.
good luck with it all.
Defect.
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Location:
Central Coast, NSW
Registered:
February 2005
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Re: Defect Question
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Mon, 30 May 2005 05:37
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if your exhaust is louder the 90db when tested
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heh, You should've seen the reading from my soarer when we tested it with a db meter.... 84 decibels.
Gotta to love that stock exhaust. 
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Location:
The Hills District
Registered:
November 2003
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Re: Defect Question
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Mon, 30 May 2005 10:24
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since im guessing that the police officer has not alot of idea what she was going on about like usual theyve seen your modified car and decided to give you a little hassling. im also guessing that if u put things back to standard youll throw them back on after you get your defect cleared, but its just the hassle anyways.
is the defect a full inspection or part inspection? meaning just fix the listed parts or pretty much a whole new pink slip.
if u can find a local mechanic just do a bit of talking and tell them how you were singled out etc and offer a little extra money. dont bother changing anything since youll put it back on anyways. just say to the guy, look ill give u an extra 50 bucks or whatever, just clear it and tell him that you wont take the papers to the rta for like a few days. dont forget to mention that if he does clear it for you that when you went to the servo it was stock. that way it covers both your asses.
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Location:
Perth
Registered:
May 2005
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Re: Defect Question
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Mon, 30 May 2005 10:33
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no it will have a full inspection and test drive and more than likely they will give you another slip with more changes.
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Location:
sydney
Registered:
January 2005
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Re: Defect Question
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Mon, 30 May 2005 10:39
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do you have a cannon exhaust? if you do cannons have been classified as defect because of straight through design. cop said you got no baffle cos they dont know why, just that theyre a defect. equivalent to being a punched out cat or hot dog muff.
you can increase youre rim diameter by more than 2 inches so long as overall wheel + tyre height doesnt exceed 20-25 mm, whatever figure is. but between you and me if you got 18's with 20 profile you pretty much finished.
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Location:
Perth
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May 2005
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Re: Defect Question
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Mon, 30 May 2005 11:16
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yeah i got a cannon, the cop said i need a permit for it but when i got to the pits they told me permits are no longer required by law and the police dont know that. lol 2 people at the pit lane told me this and yes they worked there.
they didnt even look at my cannon really
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Location:
The Hills District
Registered:
November 2003
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Re: Defect Question
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Tue, 31 May 2005 07:16
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seriously guys just because things are meant to be done doesnt mean they are done. great example: im sure at school you had homework to do but didn't do it anyways. just because someone gives you a defect doesnt mean its a defect. i had this deadshit goose copper tell me he my cannon was "defectable" because in his words exactly "i don't like it". and just because a mechanic is meant to test drive your car and check everything doesnt mean that they do or will. btw not all defects are full inspection, there are boxes at the bottom that must be filled in to specify whether they are part or full.
just take the car to a local mechanic, offer him a little extra, and work some magic. like there is any difference with going to standard to clear a defect when the car will be exactly the same in a couple of days. save youself the hassle and part with an extra $50. theres my 2C.
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Location:
NSW.south coast.Drifting
Registered:
February 2004
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Re: Defect Question
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Tue, 31 May 2005 08:43
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OKKKAAAY
im open to being PROVED wrong here, but after being defected nearly 30 times, i kinda know whats ok and what isn't. but then again it all depends on the cop.
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Your wheel and tyre combination must not be more than 24mm total diameter larger than the largest wheel and tyre combo that came standard on that car
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TRUE. i keep the book in my car to burn the cops hard when they try to get me for wheels.
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if your exhaust is louder the 90db when tested appropriatley then its illegal.
if *ANY* part of the car is < 100mm from the ground its illegal
if *ANY* part of the wheel/tyre scrubs on the body work then its illegal.
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as with the cannon mufflers and other 'straight through' mufflers, they are only illegal if:
a)they are over 90db
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b)the emissions are above a certain level (not too sure what the level is) usually due to them not passing through a cat etc.
basically cops dont know what the F&^K there talking about. there just told "if theres anything shiny, defect it". i had a cop once try to explain to me how a turbo works, and it went a little something like this- "the exhaust gas spins the turbine, flows out the blow off valve and into the exhaust, turbine spins the compressor, then the compressed air flows out the wastegate into the atmosphere".  then when i asked how the compressed air got into my engine to make boost (i act real dumb to start off with  ) he just looked at me like a stunned mullet and say 'through the blow off valve'.
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Location:
The Hills District
Registered:
November 2003
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Re: Defect Question
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Tue, 31 May 2005 09:02
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ok im not saying that everyone os right or wrong but your all pretty informed on what is actually legal acording to ADR.
however my point is when it comes to cops they dont know a whole lot and so write down things like "tyres too large" which furthur points out their lack of knowledge on motor vehicle enhancement.
my other point is that not all mechanics conform 100% to the law and at the end of the day alot of them are car enthusiasts like you and i and therefore understand how police act upon modified vehicles. hence if you find a mechanic fitting this description and offer a little extra they will generally clear your defect although you havent actually fixed anything.
my main point is why bother changing something back to standard when we all know your gunna put it back to the way it was when you got defected. save yourself the hassle and support your local mechanic with a $50 bonus.
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Location:
NSW.south coast.Drifting
Registered:
February 2004
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Re: Defect Question
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Tue, 31 May 2005 09:06
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mate i totally agree. i have only got my car back to standard once out of all those defects (lousy full inspection+pits). my mechanic does it for like $20 bucks and im off with a smile. you really have to know someone to have a highly defectable car these days.
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Location:
East Maitland NSW
Registered:
December 2004
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Re: Defect Question
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Tue, 31 May 2005 11:24
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When you get defected do you pay a fine? If your car is defected will it be impounded of can you take it home? I konw to some these are silly questions but i hve no idea about being defected.
Cheers
Andrew.
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Location:
Penrith
Registered:
February 2005
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Re: Defect Question
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Tue, 31 May 2005 21:45
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It depends what the defect is for as to weather you get a fine or not. Wheels to large and too low e.t.c. do not incure a fine however if your exhaust is too loud or you have a pod filter then they can fine you up to $5000 for "driving a vehicle creating excess noise" or "modifing your induction system" but it's usually about $200 each.
I took this to court and after 3 court appearences representing myself and a lot of friggin around I won!
man you should have seen the copper's face, he got the shits and stormed out of the court room.
According to the australian road transport regulations act a defect should only be issued if something on you car would constitute an "imminent and serious safety risk to a person, property or the enviornment" otherwise you should be given a formal written warning which to my knowledge doesn't require you to get it cleared.
So things like "wiper blades contact sticker on the windscreen" should absoloutly not ever get defected as in my case.
Here are some usefull documents:
for wheels: Vehicle standards information. Sheet No 9. (RTA web site)
turning diameter, T.V's,lights, wipers e.t.c. :Road Transport Regulations 1998.
Exhaust and induction emissions (gas and noise): Protection of the enviornment operations regulation 2000.
Hope this helps. I have heaps more info on this stuff, should I start a special thread for it?
Cheers,
Kurt.
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Location:
The Hills District
Registered:
November 2003
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Re: Defect Question
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Thu, 02 June 2005 09:36
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with the fines being issued you generally wont get a fine for your usual sorta modified car defects. on another note however if u get done for bald tyres they can fine you and in dry weather give you a nice yellow sticker ordering you to drive the car "directly home" and you must get it cleared immediately. with that there is no 1 or 2 week period where you can drive the car, its just bam go home and no more driving. in wet weather they can give a red sticker and that means your getting a taxi home.
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Location:
Brisbane
Registered:
March 2003
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Re: Defect Question
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Thu, 02 June 2005 11:35
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I've got a toyota hilux and this last w/e i got defected (and a 'yellow sticker') for a whole list of things, in fact, he filled a defect notice... I got done for wheels which i know they are illegal because they aren't load rated, but he didn't write that, he put wheels too big or something, which even tho the wheels are 3" bigger than the stockers, with the lower profile tyres, the rolling diameter is still quite a bit smaller...
I can get a mod plate to change the load rating, and then i'm guessing these wheels should be fine... Anyone know what the rules are for having ur front inner guards removed? And shaved door handles? I still have door poppers...
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