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1ggte (gen3) into ta23
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Thu, 28 November 2002 13:20
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just wondering if putting a 1ggte is a ta23 is exactly the same as putting it into a ra23, i know the body is the cars are exactly the same but what about engine mounts, tail shaft etc will the bolt up
any other issues?
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Re: 1ggte (gen3) into ta23
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Thu, 28 November 2002 23:36
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TA23 has a completely different crossmember to the RA23 so that may present a problem right there. It's easy enough to swap in an RA23 crossmember if you need to though.
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Re: 1ggte (gen3) into ta23
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Thu, 28 November 2002 23:45
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yeah thanks norbie, what about the tail shaft and diff
will the tail shaft slide into the w series box ok and will it be the right length?
diff probably wouldnt last to long would it?
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Re: 1ggte (gen3) into ta23
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Thu, 28 November 2002 23:49
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W50 and W5x have the same geabox output shaft spline, so provided gearbox is in the same postion, no need to change tailshaft.
Your T series diff will be sus.
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Re: 1ggte (gen3) into ta23
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Thu, 28 November 2002 23:55
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one last question  what about engine mounts? i know the deal with ra23 mounts is it the same with ta23s?
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Re: 1ggte (gen3) into ta23
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Fri, 29 November 2002 01:03
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i would think not... get your hands on some R series mounts (cost f-all for new ones i think) since the T series motor is too different
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Re: 1ggte (gen3) into ta23
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Fri, 29 November 2002 01:53
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GT: this guy has a TA23, hence T50 box, hence different tailshaft. Mods will be required.
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Re: 1ggte (gen3) into ta23
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Fri, 29 November 2002 02:06
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so if i get my hands on a ra23/28 tail shaft and engine mounts i should have no dramas?
what diif do you guys recommend ? i want discs on the back
sorry if i seem un educated on this situation my specialty is 4a engines
thanks heaps for ya help
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Re: 1ggte (gen3) into ta23
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Fri, 29 November 2002 03:47
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A cut down Commodore diff might be your best option if you really want discs. Personally I don't see the need, which is why I'm going with a Hilux rear end on my RA23. It has drums but they're pretty big, and should be more than sufficient on a street car. Remember the front brakes do 70-80% of the work, so upgrading the rears isn't going to do that much.
The advantage of the Hilux conversion is you don't need to have it shortened, which saves you a bundle of money. LSD centres are easy to find and relatively cheap as well.
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Re: 1ggte (gen3) into ta23
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Fri, 29 November 2002 03:57
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hiliux diff seems the go then dont it! what other mods do i have to do to get it to fit?
i know i have to re weld all the brackets on what about axles will the existing fit in? just so i retain the 4 stud pattern?
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Re: 1ggte (gen3) into ta23
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Fri, 29 November 2002 05:32
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No, the Hilux axles are much bigger, which is a good thing because a turbo engine can snap the Celica axles with a bit of hard driving. If you want a 4-stud pattern you'll have to re-drill the Hilux axles, which isn't that hard to do.
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Re: 1ggte (gen3) into ta23
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Sat, 30 November 2002 06:39
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Gidday
Diff for TA23 is same as RA23 - it is one of the things that they did change from the 22. U can use the tailshaft out of a RT104 if u don't want to go 2 piece. That been said the t series diff will still break easily. There are lots of past threads on lsd/disc brake rear ends for a celica. The least rouble one seems to be the dunnydoor - remember u will have to shorten or otherwise change the tailshaft which can add lots of $.
One of the other options seems to be the Hilux. Lots of member have gone this way. Something that few people seem to realise is that the RT141 disc brakes are a bolt on! Read my tech article for the t series diff - it also applies to the f series.
What about $s?
Thbought a Mark II Corona diff for $150 - sure that u can buy whole cars for that. It was the right width for me - that is lined up with the changed offset that the Pug/hilux left me with at the front. It was about $280 to get the mounts cut off the diff and replaced with the ones off the original t series. U can buy a disc brake rear from a Rt141 for about $250 - remember to get the handbrake cables aaand the bearing retaining plates off the rt141 axles cos things will not work without them.
F series lsd go from about $400 up. I happened to have a spare diff for a ma61 so am having the lsd packbuilt into the corona centre (the centres are different)
Looks like the whole thing cost me $1000 or so if u count the lsd centre.
Craig
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Re: 1ggte (gen3) into ta23
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Sat, 30 November 2002 07:01
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Hey craig, if you need an RA23 crossmember I have one spare. I'll do a straight swap if you want.
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Re: 1ggte (gen3) into ta23
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Sat, 30 November 2002 13:04
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thanks heaps for the info guys
joel: yeah man i will let ya know, gotta make sure its still a ta23 cross member, as i have just found out i have a 13ty engine in it
anyone know anything about this engine? went for blue slip and it didnt pass cause this engine doesnt meet nsw emission standard?
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Re: 1ggte (gen3) into ta23
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Sun, 01 December 2002 06:54
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It's still a T series engine so you must have a TA23 crossmember.
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Re: 1ggte (gen3) into ta23
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Sun, 01 December 2002 13:15
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couple more questions
what model hilux is the diff you are refering too off?
what are the benefits of using the single piece tail shaft over a 2 piece? is it the removal of the shutter (aka commodore)
where is the best place to buy a ga70 half cut?? i heard asian auto spares in sydney?
craig what ya mean by the dunny door?
thanks again for the input
also anyone keen on helping me with the install? and anyone want the old POC engine?
cheers
craig
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Re: 1ggte (gen3) into ta23
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Mon, 02 December 2002 00:35
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The Hilux diff you need is from an early 80's model... can't remember the exact details, but go to a commercial vehicle wrecker with a tape measure and you'll find one soon enough.
Asian Auto Spares is a good place to buy front cuts (that's where I got mine), but they're in Brisbane not Sydney.
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Re: 1ggte (gen3) into ta23
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Mon, 02 December 2002 03:23
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The Hilux diff you need is out of an RN41. It is about 1410 mm across. I have converted mine to discs - it's a piece of piss. Get MA70 rear disc setup and literally graft it on (it needs only some very menial machining) and you'll need some caliper brackets made up.
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Re: 1ggte (gen3) into ta23
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Mon, 02 December 2002 03:36
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i dont even like my chances of getting a cut!
been on fone to
ichiban = only have motors $595 cant tell me what gen they are
SSS = dont have any, expect them in 3 weeks. cough* bullcrap
rolin automotive= 1800 for a cut but sold out have to wait till febuary
and the list goes on
thanks gt
looking up adelaide jap dismantlers now
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Re: 1ggte (gen3) into ta23
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Mon, 02 December 2002 03:47
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Oz Craig,
Mate Tina's 1GGTE RA28 is now up and running (Not finished but Running )
First of all I may be interested in the old 13T if your dumping it. I am getting low on spare T series engines lol. Only if its complete tho.
Ok now to the bits your interested in. You can use the TA23 xmember no worries you just need to get a Front sump version of the 1GG not a mid sump. The front Sump with wings is the best sump design they made and fits beautifully over the TA23 xmember. (And yes its the yellow injector grey ECY plug version)You do need to make new mounts and we used TA22 rubbers. The engine side of the mounts we used passenger side TA22 and drivers side 1GGTE water to air steel mount I have a few pics I can send.
In Tina's we used the factory W55 and a 3TGTE flywheel (couldn't find a 1GG one  . (I have a spare 1GGTE bellhousing if you get stuck BTW)
Tailshaft is a 1 piece item from a TA22 Auto and fits perfectly (bloody thing was for my car now I have to find another one )
Shifter hole sits a little further back but is in a better position IMHO.
Speedo cable is KE70, Washer Bottle and braket is KE30, Radiator is GA70, Accel Peddle is god knows what withthe top haly off a RA60 ?? Top radiator hose is Mitsubishi Magna bottom hose (thanks for the tip Phil ) Overflow bottle is TA22, clutch line is a PITA and the list goes on !
But dawn its a good fit nice and low and along way back Still sorting the finer details but should be finished before new years and should be at the Dyno day for sure !
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Re: 1ggte (gen3) into ta23
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Mon, 02 December 2002 03:53
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thanks rod thats awesome!!
where did you get your engine from im have trouble sourcing one!!
i would prefer half cut as it will save me a lot of running around
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Re: 1ggte (gen3) into ta23
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Fri, 14 February 2003 20:49
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Off the topic but would I be able to swap to a 1g-gte gen 3 where I currently have a gen 1?
Its a 86 soarer
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