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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Sun, 17 July 2005 09:31
 
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gunna wait a bit re new turbo - got alot of bookwork to do before i settle on one in particular ..
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Sun, 17 July 2005 11:16
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about to change gen1 3sgte to semi-synthetic (penrite hpr10 10w-50) Sun, 17 July 2005 13:39
hey all,
im about to change my engine oil, ive been running hpr40 (25w 70) in my 3sgte with a low kilometer engine that was put in 6 months ago.
im about to change over too semi-synthetic penrite hpr10 10w-50.
just wondering if this is a good idea or now? possibly to thin? i checked penrite's handbook guide, and this is the oil they recommend for gen2 3sgte, so i figure it should be the same or close for the gen1 engine.
ive heard that going from mineral to synthetic uncloges heaps of crap in ur engine and causes probelems. the hpr10 is a semi-sythetic oil tho.
what are your thoughts?
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melbourne
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Mon, 18 July 2005 01:59
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as for the swap from mineral to semi-synthetic tho, is it as simple as just out with the old in with the new, or is there precedures that should be followed?
do i have to use another set of oil to first clean out the engine or soemthing?
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Mon, 18 July 2005 03:25
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1. Warm up engine to get the oil flowing.
2. Turn off engine and drain the oil.
3. Fill with new oil but to min as you going to waste this.
4. Warm up engine to get the oil flowing.
5. Turn off engine, drain oil and change filter
6. Refill to correct level with fresh oil.
Might also be an idea to use an oil flushing product of some sort. They loosen up all the gunk and then flush it out when you drain it. If u are going to do this i recommend doing it before you drain the oil as per the procedure above.
Good luck.
PS: the "GE" series of engines are heavily reliant on good clean oil. Try to change at 5,000km but don't go more than a few thousand over this and def. don't drive hard if you have passed the interval. Might sound anal but it will lengthen the life of the engine quite a bit.
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I Supported Toymods
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Mon, 18 July 2005 06:49
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Unless your current oil is giving you problems just drain the mineral oil as normal and fill with semi-synth.
Just don't go chucking anything thinner than 40 weight in it unless you've recently rebuilt the engine
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Mon, 18 July 2005 07:06
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does any1 know what oil filter type the gen1 3sgte engine uses.
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Mon, 18 July 2005 08:21
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| KYOTO wrote on Mon, 18 July 2005 13:25 |
Might also be an idea to use an oil flushing product of some sort. They loosen up all the gunk and then flush it out when you drain it. If u are going to do this i recommend doing it before you drain the oil as per the procedure above.
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Do NOT use oil flushing products on your 3SGTE! You might as well pour degreaser in your engine. They dry out seals and increase the velocity of the oil at cold temps.
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Mon, 18 July 2005 13:53
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ive been told to get a thin cheap semi-syntetic oil, put that in idle it for a bit, drain it out with some gunk, then put the good stuff in.
hows that sound? or would you really have to drive it around to loosen up all the gunk in it?
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Epping, Sydney
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 19 July 2005 04:09
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hey all - time for my first foray into the GT-Four thread 
since I have come into the temorary stewardship if a particular Group-A ST185 I have a quick question 
The front engine mount. Is it the same mount as the regular ST184s? It even looks the same as my 3SGE ST162's mount?
Thanks heaps.. sorry if I appear ignorant
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I Supported Toymods
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 19 July 2005 04:54
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Puffy is right... don't use "flushing oils".
Proper flushing oils will f'ck your seals and will clean your engine out bigtime!
They will clean the engine out so much that you may find you have compression problems afterwards.
Reason for this is on older engines (i.e. 50,000kms or so old) often small carbon deposits around the valve seats and ring lands build up, these carbon deposits build up slowly and end up wearing to suit the ring / valve.
If you remove these deposits the valves and rings will not be seated properly and you will lose compression.
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Colac, Victoria
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 19 July 2005 08:27
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whos group A do you have robert
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Wed, 20 July 2005 02:41
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it is mos' old one, purchase for my cousin for rally tasmania next year (private)
he comes back next month but I am doing some work on it atm
here it is at it's new home
any ideas on the engine mount question guys?
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Brisbane
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September 2004
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Wed, 20 July 2005 04:39
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Holy jesus stu!!!!!
Congrats dude, all your hardwork has paid off, you have one hell of a special monster there now! 
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Brisbane
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melbourne
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Wed, 20 July 2005 07:03
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has any1 fitted some WRX wheels to a celica yet?
im having a real shit of a time looking for wheels with a offset smaller than 39 with a 5x100 pattern!
why the shit is the offset from toyota so fuking small!!!
not having fun!!! and i dont want to fit spacers!
(correct me if im wrong but the st165 offsetis +39 correct?)
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I Supported Toymods
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Wed, 20 July 2005 08:56
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+38 AFAIK.
You can get some really nice "track adjusters" from H&R.
Unlike your normal spacers these bolt onto the original studs and then have their own set of studs which you bolt the wheel onto.
25mm fills the GrpA gaurds quite nicely.
Also we could never work out what number MOS's GrpA is, if you want to post up the VIN I can look it up again.... from memory the VIN was 000001 or something.
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Wed, 20 July 2005 09:25
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WRX rims are commonly 45mm offset. Dunno if anyuone has fitted them.
Has anyone fitted the Whiteline Anti-Lift Caster kit to their car? It was reccommended to me by Whiteline. Just wondering what is so special about it...
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Colac, Victoria
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Wed, 20 July 2005 09:26
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Some people have asked me to put up a dyno chart and what ive had done engine and drivetrain wise to get the above figure, so here goes - sorry bout the spammage - i can create a seperate thread if needs be - for more broad OMG  reactions from the other non gt4 types - haha
Basics of what ive done
Fully rebuilt from scratch gen2 3sgte with a requested power handling capability of 450 HP plus
head porting , poishing and general make flow bettering ( technical term u know )
St205 camshaft swap + shim under bucket conversion
Pistons are ACL forgies on St205 rods
Bearings are TRD heavy duty items
Gaskets are a mixture of genuine toyota and TRD items - bolted up with Arp goodness
This was all reassembeld by an Ex Cosworth britan /current prodrive/FPV technical advisor based in ballarat
Ct26 is a stock steeel gutted group A Spec item - all aussie widebody Gt4's got these - Injectors are stock - fuel pump is stock but running the 13v mod , pump is stock
ECU is a stand alone map sensored WolfEMS v4 - Boost is controlled currently at 15PSI maximum by an AVO electronic boost controller
Exhausts leave by a aussie 3 inch dump and midpipe , into an AVO 2.5 straight thru system from cat back
Cold air is made by a custom frontmount intercooler setup - thru a hybrid 600 x 300 X 75 intercooler , excess boost vented via a turbosmart plumback into a Straight air intake setup off the turbo ( its also pretty and blue and stuff )
Power is fed to the wheels thru an St205 group A box
thats basically it for my Drivetrain package as it stands , at the moment
Im yet to tackle a better fuel system , have a set of 540CC st205 injectors here , and 264 HKS cams to go in - and i have a good friend hanging onto a Gt30 Garret turbo as well if im able to afford it in the near future
Wolf's tuner also reckons if the AVO boost conteroller was made redundant , we could more accurately map for upwards to 17PSI with what i have - so its not the total extent of what the current setup can deliver - but pretty bloody close to it
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Wed, 20 July 2005 09:32
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Oh i forgot to add - i have a chair damaged black group A bonnet , and red painted calipers , so that HAS to give me at least 10 more KW 
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melbourne
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Wed, 20 July 2005 09:47
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with the upgraded fuel system, cams and turbo, you must be looking at heaps more power, so i dont think 160kw is anywhere near what its capapble of really...
although yes ur bigger breaks might be a good idea 
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Wed, 20 July 2005 10:00
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thats the next step - got to be able to stop it
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Hobart, Tasmania
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January 2005
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Wed, 20 July 2005 10:38
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Stu that graph is fucking neat as anything... So impressed!
How did the chair damage your bonnet?
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Colac, Victoria
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Wed, 20 July 2005 11:02
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it was damaged somewhere between importer in adelaide sending it - and arriving here ..
apparently it left straight bit it has a visible chair leg like dent just near the toyota symobol and a scratch down the passenger side , that also wasnt meant to be there ..
So in short - it needs a respray - one reason it stays black ill i decide what to do the car completely in
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Colac, Victoria
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Wed, 20 July 2005 13:16
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170kw is great. Nice work !!!!
Noticed that it was done in shoot out mode so was the run done in third gear?
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melbourne
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Newcastle, NSW
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Thu, 21 July 2005 01:15
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| Toobs wrote on Fri, 15 July 2005 17:59 |
Shannons wouldn't insure mine as a daily driver... mind you I didn't really push too hard as they were quite a bit more expensive than the others.
Just Cars - Agreed Value $17,000 - Policy $1357
Vigil - Agreed Value $17,000 - Policy $1268
Shannons - Agreed Value $17,000 Max kms 5,000 - Policy $2480
NRMA - No cover
AAMI - No cover
I'm 23 with max no claim bonus and no accident history or license disqualifications.
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holy f#@$ just cars wanted around 1500 a yr from me to cover me for $5000 with my 165...im 21, max no claim no accident history or licence dq....surly 2 yrs cant make that much of a difference?
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I Supported Toymods
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Thu, 21 July 2005 01:28
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Maybe its because mines Aus delivered and the 165's are import?
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newcastle
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Thu, 21 July 2005 01:46
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well I got my car fully covered with shannons
covering all mods
$16000 agreed - not as much as I'd like 
but its only $1080.00 a year
so its the best I'm gonna get
cheers
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Colac, Victoria
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Thu, 21 July 2005 07:37
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| Puffy wrote on Wed, 20 July 2005 23:16 |
170kw is great. Nice work !!!!
Noticed that it was done in shoot out mode so was the run done in third gear?
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Nods 3rd gear runs - and shootout mode
as for my motor - without putting a exact figure on the whole lot - i roughly estimate i could have bought a cheap st165 for the dollar figure involved, or an St205 frontcut with change to spare
As for the ecu's - i BELIEVE they are about $1700 dollars with a handset normally
Feeling crap atm - as my 5 days of fun have ended already - stupid starter motor this time - the alloy casing that goes into the gearbox bellhousing grenaded this morning - i have metal chunky bits floating around between the lutch and flywheel - so my engines going to have to come out AGAIN after all the work ive put in to get it running happily again, to see if the fragments caused any damage
Its one fking thing after another i swear .. Another thing ill add to my " new or rebuilt " list when i come to sell it
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Thu, 21 July 2005 07:45
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as for shannons too - i might have to talk to them - im paying double that for my setup - so im wondering where they gave you such a good price - it should be cheaper than what i pay if thats the case - even if my agreed is a little higher
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Brisbane
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I Supported Toymods
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Fri, 22 July 2005 06:12
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I have a handful of spare starter motors if you need one Stu... Remember, between myself and CLG we have pretty much anything you could ever need.
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Melbourne
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February 2005
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Fri, 22 July 2005 07:58
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i just purchased a HPC coated dump pipe, cat.converter, and connecting (front) pipe from aussie exhaust. It was a bit of an impulse buy, but i'm pretty sure i wont regret it. $1100 delivered 
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Fri, 22 July 2005 08:19
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thats pretty expensive inst it?
the HPC coated downpipe is spose to be 345$ deliverd from memory?
could have got an exhaust shop to make up a mid section with cat for less than 700$ surely? then since ur buying from an exhaust shop they will package it with labour a little cheaper..
let us know how it goes, cause thats what im looking at doing to my car next (ive only got cat back exhaust at the moment)
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Melbourne
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February 2005
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Fri, 22 July 2005 08:37
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for the dump pipe they charge $560 with HPC, thats their retail price anyway. but i bought a cat converter and the connecting pipe and he didnt charge me for the HPC.
so the deal i got was..
dumppipe with HPC $450
cat.converter $270
connecting pipe $330
plus $50 postage to melbourne from queensland.
definatly no bargain.
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Colac, Victoria
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Fri, 22 July 2005 08:39
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Re ECU - im pretty sure its good for all St185's - Group A or not .. the only difference would be an enabling thing for the intercooler pump + sensor on a group A which would be run id say off an auxillary pin .
The same ecu runs st205's so im pretty sure theve taken this into account
Re starter motor - managed to get one locally today - its on the way my next drama is going to be getting it on a traler of some sort to get it back to the builder - from there its just a case of drop motor out - check - asses + repair - bolt back up and its good to go
Im hoping its not too pocket hurting tho
Re aussie stuff - that price is about right Carasanctra - I payed that for mine and dont regret doing so - its a bit of a prick to install but once in - its sweet
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Fri, 22 July 2005 08:41
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Exhaust shop ones dont seem to counter in HPC coating - or actually the time taken to make the curve smooth - its been argued about many a time but i know id prefer an extra cost for something i know works , fits , and definanlty will last ..
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melbourne
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Fri, 22 July 2005 13:06
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so is it just me or did he get ripped of at those exhaust prices?
cause yeah i want a downpipe soon, but faaaaark, i not gona pay 560$ for a pipe!!!!
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Fri, 22 July 2005 13:17
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BLKGT4: the dump pipe is going to make a huge difference. Despite the price you won't regret it in the least.
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Colac, Victoria
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Sat, 23 July 2005 01:07
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carasantra - he got what he paid for - its a quality item, renouned WORLD WIDE - not a cheap ebay rip off dude ..
i Swear by my aussie dump pipe and would happily pay that again if i was to do another Gt4 or Mr2 ..
its made off a jig - already pre measured and lined up so nothing fouls - you pay for the research gone into it to make it as good as it is
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Dubbo
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April 2005
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Sat, 23 July 2005 02:41
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hey guys!
just a quick question.
In about 2 weeks time i will be installing a GT2871RS onto my car, now i need to get hold of s template to give to the exhaust place for the manifold plate. Dr T's gasket for the exhaust manifold comes in 2 pieces, so it isn't too useful for the purpose (and costs $40 per half!) so does anyone here know, or have a teamplate that they could send to me??
Regards Nathan
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Brisbane
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newcastle
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Mon, 25 July 2005 06:06
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well I just discovered my factory wastegate
actuator has crapped itself 
so I've finally decided to go custom manifold
and external wastegate.
planning on using a tial model.
has anyone got one or running external?
cheers
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Dubbo
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April 2005
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Mon, 25 July 2005 06:27
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hey guys,
is anyone from the GT4 fraternity going to the picton go-kart day?
I am should be some good fun, tho will be a bit slower to the karts i am used too.
Hope to see someone there!
Regards Nathan
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Epping, Sydney
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April 2003
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Tue, 26 July 2005 23:46
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hey guys is there anywhere I can find a diagram of the gearbox/diff arrangement for a GT-Four? ie, an exploded drawing or something
Put the new diff, strut brace and engine mount in the Group-A yesteday, just have to clean the plugs this morning and take it for a good fang in the bush now
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I Supported Toymods
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Lwr Templestowe, Melbourne
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August 2004
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I Supported Toymods
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Wed, 27 July 2005 22:02
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Hmm ST165 W/A IC ay...
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Melbourne
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February 2005
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Thu, 28 July 2005 00:34
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one for the melbourne guys (classique71)?
where do you guys go for a dyno run? and what does it cost normally?
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Colac, Victoria
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Melb, Victoria
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Thu, 28 July 2005 03:18
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hey stu, about the wolf ems again, have you got any details about whether or not this ecu will work on a gen2 mr2 3sgte? or could you give me contact details? phone number,email so i can contact the guys.
I'm really keen on this ecu package.
I live right near Dynomotive in bayswater, so i'll probably go down there for my tuning too who should i speak to there?
thanks mate,
I better get out of this thread now, with my fwd.. sorry to bother you guys
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I Supported Toymods
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Thu, 28 July 2005 08:39
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Couldn't find Toobs' Members Rides thread, so I'll chuck this here...
Spotted STI-85R at the bottom of Mt Ousley, coming past the uni. I was going around you in the green AE102. Hawtness man, I love it
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Madrid - Spain
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August 2002
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Re: GT4 owners dedicated thread
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Thu, 28 July 2005 19:41
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G'day Fellas,
Some of you may know that I have recently moved to Spain. Well I am looking for something fun to drive around in and it appears that the Spaniards have no idea about what a car should look/perform like. Nothin but renaults and pugs here.
Anyhoo, I figured being a celica fan living in Spain, the only way to go is a Carlos Sains GT4. I have had a look and there seems to be a few around for sale for what I think is a reasonable price.
What is the main differences between 185's and 205's and what is different about the Carlos Sains edition and Group A's.
What are each of these models selling for in Aus, average condition? I may even bring it back to Aus if I like it...
Sorry if these questions sound lame but until now, I have never really looked at GT4's. Old cars are almost non-existant here. A RA23 cost about the same as a ST185.
Anyhoo any info is much appreciated.
oh and I don't suppose anyone has standard 1/4 times for these cars? Just so I can compare. I know I raced a 205 on the 1/8th at Dubbo. It was doing similar times to my RA28, so I am guessing the 205's go a little better than a 185. Not sure what mods it was wearing though.
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