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2ZZ engine into an MR-S
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Thu, 09 June 2005 05:05
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Hey guys,
I'm considering purchasing an MR-S although the performance is not very inspiring. I saw in a Best Motoring DVD I own that the Japanese workshop Techno PRO Spirits had an MR-S with the 2ZZ engine conversion carried out and the thing was awesome!
Does anyone know where I can get a 2ZZ engine?
I know that this isn't easy as the engine is new.
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Would i require a new engine mounts?
I wasn't sure as it's the same series engine...yes thats a guess.
Any help would be great. Thanx.
Regards
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I supported Toymods
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Australia
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November 2003
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Re: 2ZZ engine into an MR-S
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Thu, 09 June 2005 05:37
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What motor does an MR-S currently have?
2ZZ will not be cheap.
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Re: 2ZZ engine into an MR-S
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Thu, 09 June 2005 06:09
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1ZZ-FE 104KW from memory.
I could get a turbo or super kit but I really only want about what the 2ZZ puts out which is 141KW and it would survive much longer.
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Re: 2ZZ engine into an MR-S
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Thu, 09 June 2005 06:11
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The MR-S has the 1ZZ, the low horsepower, low torque version of the 2ZZ. So its basically el-cheapo Corolla motor versus Celica motor here.
From what I have read this swap has been done a few times in the USA and its straight-forward.
To get a 2ZZ engine you have to find a ZZT132 Celica (current model) front cut. That will be the tricky/expensive part......
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Re: 2ZZ engine into an MR-S
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Thu, 09 June 2005 06:14
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I think the current Corolla Sportivo has the 2ZZ as well.
It' makes you wonder why the MR-S has such a poor engine as the chassis has so much potential....
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I supported Toymods
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November 2003
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Re: 2ZZ engine into an MR-S
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Thu, 09 June 2005 06:27
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The block is identical so it will be a straight forward swap.
Find something of the same year and it may be a plug n play on the wiring too.
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July 2002
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Re: 2ZZ engine into an MR-S
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Thu, 09 June 2005 06:32
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there is no such thing as plug and play....
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Re: 2ZZ engine into an MR-S
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Thu, 09 June 2005 06:33
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I intend on running aftermaket engine management anyway so no biggy
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Brisbane
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June 2002
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Re: 2ZZ engine into an MR-S
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Thu, 09 June 2005 06:34
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the zz engines have immobilizers built into the ecu/key code
u need to get a matching ecu/key & ign barrel
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Re: 2ZZ engine into an MR-S
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Thu, 09 June 2005 06:36
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so the complete front cut is a must
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Re: 2ZZ engine into an MR-S
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Thu, 09 June 2005 06:51
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| ra23celica wrote on Thu, 09 June 2005 16:11 |
The MR-S has the 1ZZ, the low horsepower, low torque version of the 2ZZ. So its basically el-cheapo Corolla motor versus Celica motor here.
From what I have read this swap has been done a few times in the USA and its straight-forward.
To get a 2ZZ engine you have to find a ZZT132 Celica (current model) front cut. That will be the tricky/expensive part......
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It actually the ZZT231 model celica 
It will be a very expensive conversion. Have you considered trying to find a Lotus Elise 111R that already has the 2ZZ? There is a supercharged version now as well I think?
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November 2003
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Re: 2ZZ engine into an MR-S
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Thu, 09 June 2005 06:53
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errr yeah a lorus elise just 100k worth thats cheap 
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Thu, 09 June 2005 07:15
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yeah, um...I was kinda hoping to get the engine in ect for 10kish as I have mates who are mechanics and auto elecs.
if its not a feasible idea i may need to consider a new project car......
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Re: 2ZZ engine into an MR-S
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Thu, 09 June 2005 08:39
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| Corona RT142 wrote on Thu, 09 June 2005 16:53 |
errr yeah a lorus elise just 100k worth thats cheap
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Yeah your probably right.
Would be interesting to see how the radiator, exhaust manifold etc.. worked taking it from front mounted to rear mounted..
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Adelaide, South Australia
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Re: 2ZZ engine into an MR-S
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Thu, 09 June 2005 09:41
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| CrUZsida wrote on Thu, 09 June 2005 15:57 |
The block is identical so it will be a straight forward swap.
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You sure??? the Bore and strokes are very different
79.0 x 91.5 on the 1ZZ-FE
82.0 x 85.0 on the 2ZZ-GE
they don't look too similar to me.
Jordan
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I supported Toymods
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Re: 2ZZ engine into an MR-S
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Thu, 09 June 2005 09:44
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As far as I know its the same block with different crank/pistons/rod/head.
The same way a 5MGE is the same block as a 7MGE
And a 1UZFE is the same block as the 3UZFE (within reason)
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I Supported Toymods
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Re: 2ZZ engine into an MR-S
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Thu, 09 June 2005 17:32
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| Matty P wrote on Thu, 09 June 2005 16:51 |
| ra23celica wrote on Thu, 09 June 2005 16:11 |
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To get a 2ZZ engine you have to find a ZZT132 Celica (current model) front cut. That will be the tricky/expensive part......
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It actually the ZZT231 model celica ...
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I was going to say that... but you bet me to it  (hours later)
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Re: 2ZZ engine into an MR-S
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Thu, 09 June 2005 18:58
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| jubiride_86 wrote on Thu, 09 June 2005 16:14 |
I think the current Corolla Sportivo has the 2ZZ as well.
It' makes you wonder why the MR-S has such a poor engine as the chassis has so much potential....
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I would hardly say the 1zz is a poor engine, many people prefer the midrange power of the 1zz to the crazy revving ness of the 2zz. (i prefer the revyness though  )
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Newcastle
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Re: 2ZZ engine into an MR-S
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Fri, 10 June 2005 00:36
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nup i believe the blocks are actually different... however the mounts will no doubt be shared between the ZZ series..
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Re: 2ZZ engine into an MR-S
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Fri, 10 June 2005 01:02
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isnt there a bolt on trd supercharger for the 1zzfe?
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Re: 2ZZ engine into an MR-S
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Fri, 10 June 2005 01:09
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rthy > Not 100% on the super kit for the 1ZZ I know theres one for the 2ZZ. Apex make a turbo kit for the 1ZZ though.
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Re: 2ZZ engine into an MR-S
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Fri, 10 June 2005 02:51
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If it's anything like an AW11, there is only one mount on the engine, so as long as it bolts up to the gearbox, it shouldn't be too complex.
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Re: 2ZZ engine into an MR-S
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Fri, 10 June 2005 03:38
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it has been done in japan aswell was quite a quick track car was faster through the twisties than a couple of 400hp silvias and an s2000 but they did have a dry fuel cell mounted in the front for better weight distribution aswell as a wide body. The mrs actually comes out in japan with manual transmission not the crappy trip-shit-tronic
Ive allways wanted to do this swap into an aw11 i think that would be even more potent
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Re: 2ZZ engine into an MR-S
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Fri, 10 June 2005 03:43
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4agte > yeah the driver in the MR-S slowed down on the second last lap and let the s15 pass him so he could show the viewers the difference between lightwieght NA's and turbo powered cars.
I agree that it may be more potent in an aw11 as they weigh less....but they not as hot as the current shape!
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Re: 2ZZ engine into an MR-S
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Fri, 10 June 2005 03:45
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i beg to differ 
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December 2004
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Re: 2ZZ engine into an MR-S
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Fri, 10 June 2005 03:46
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lie cheat and steal, its the only way you can get ahead.
apart from selling drugs, but drugs are bad mmm kay...
if you want a cheaper project car, just buy an ae86 and put a beams 3sge in it,
then the best part, hold on.
perfect.
seriously, new celica front cuts, id imagine are near impossible to get, let alone for cheap, but if your dead set on it, goto the auctions and find a celica with a MUNTED back end.
usually cheaper than importing a front cut, because people think "that things farked, what can you do with it? and i know, this is usually the place where most front cuts come from, but, by buying "direct" you cut out the front0cut vendor dude.
Eldar.O.
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Fri, 10 June 2005 03:48
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how is an ae86 with a beams cheap, first of all they are overpriced to buy the stock car then the beams engine are pretty exy to,
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Melbourne
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April 2005
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Re: 2ZZ engine into an MR-S
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Fri, 10 June 2005 04:13
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86's aren't as rare as they were.....its saddens me to say that!@
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Adelaide, South Australia
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Re: 2ZZ engine into an MR-S
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Fri, 10 June 2005 05:25
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| 4agte wrote on Fri, 10 June 2005 13:15 |
i beg to differ
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I tend to agree with your pont of view . Especially the Group S AW11 MR2's built by TTE.
Jordan
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Re: 2ZZ engine into an MR-S
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Fri, 10 June 2005 05:29
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yes aw11's can be made to look very fat with the right tweaks here and there ive allways wanted to do this converion and mate it to the stock n/a gearbox.
Maybe one day i will get the money/time to do so.
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Re: 2ZZ engine into an MR-S
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Fri, 10 June 2005 06:51
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yeah erin and i have always thought it would make a sweet aw11.. or zzw11 as the case may be
erin kinda likes the idea of an sw30 thouhg
zzw30 with a st215 caldina 4th gen 3sgte  would have to be a st215 engine to get it past rego. but hey cant complain... 190kw (iirc)
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