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I supported Toymods
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Perth, WA
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aftermarket gauges
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Mon, 13 June 2005 17:31
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In the market for some gauges for my car.
not really fussed about looks, just want something thats easy to read, reliable and accurate.
what are autogauge gauges like? look alright but seem too good to be true. like 30-40 bucks per gauge brand new.
i got omori's in my car and theyre pretty much what im after. simple design and does the job.
any thoughts/opinions/reccomendations..etc??
cheers
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Newcastle
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April 2003
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Re: aftermarket gauges
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Mon, 13 June 2005 18:38
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I'd go for some of these ones personally.
http://www.holleycarbs.com.au/pricol.html
Seem to be the best for a quality item that won't cost the earth,but like everything else you get what you pay for.
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Coffs Harbour
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October 2004
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Re: aftermarket gauges
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Tue, 14 June 2005 04:10
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i would recomend autometer, though may be to pricey 4 wat u want ?
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I supported Toymods
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Adelaide
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July 2004
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Re: aftermarket gauges
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Tue, 14 June 2005 04:18
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I got the autogauage ones, the smoke series, look hot and work a treat, very accurate 
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Brisbane
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March 2005
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Re: aftermarket gauges
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Tue, 14 June 2005 04:26
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splitfire...might cost a bit though, but then again you pay for what you get..i.e. whats the point of having a guage if its not accurate?
go something about middle of the range. you shouldnt have to replace it then. and look in classifieds cause people are always selling em. .
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Melb, Victoria
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April 2004
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Re: aftermarket gauges
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Tue, 14 June 2005 09:37
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i've heard that VDO make good reliable/accurate guages..
I use an autometer boost/vacc guage and its OK..
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Sydney
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April 2004
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Re: aftermarket gauges
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Tue, 14 June 2005 09:53
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Yep VDO all the way!! I think my smaller ones were like 40 each and they (VDO) are good enough to be used in some very large inductrial applications!
Im sure everyone has seen the pics of them on my TA22 but I am just wrapped at how well they came up 
Go to repco and check out the current seimens/vdo catalogue im sure there are a few more styles to choose from..
And if anyone here works at VDO tell your boss I want my bloddy comission as im always flogging these things
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Sydney
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April 2004
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Re: aftermarket gauges
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Tue, 14 June 2005 11:52
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NICE!!
if u dont mind me asking,
how much did your speedo cost??
was it $40 for the 2" gauges?
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Sydney
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April 2004
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Re: aftermarket gauges
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Tue, 14 June 2005 12:30
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| ke35 - 4AGZE wrote on Tue, 14 June 2005 21:52 |
NICE!!
if u dont mind me asking,
how much did your speedo cost??
was it $40 for the 2" gauges?
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Yeh they are fukkn crisp in person. Naa the little ones,oil,temp and fuel were around $40 each the speedo which is 280km was about $200,either way heaps cheaper then Autometer and Kmh which was the deciding factor for me...
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Location:
Melbourne
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December 2004
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Re: aftermarket gauges
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Tue, 14 June 2005 12:48
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Just out of curiosity, becuase i always wanted new gauges in my TA22, what do you use to hook them up to. Like do they come with sender units or something, and how difficult was the fuel level gauge to tie into the current system.
Cheers
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ACT
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September 2004
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Toronto, Downtown
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September 2004
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Re: aftermarket gauges
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Tue, 14 June 2005 15:14
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yeah i got some delfi back guages in japan abiet second hand boost, oil temp, water temp for $500 buks with everything like sensors mounting cups and recall unit
They are definatly worth every penny
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I supported Toymods
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Adelaide
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July 2004
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Re: aftermarket gauges
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Tue, 14 June 2005 23:30
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yeah but $350 for one 52mm guage is not acceptable IMO, sure they might be accurate but i get 4 autoguage 52mm guages which look awesome and appear to be very accurate for $150
$1500 on guages and a control box is not money worthwhile IMO
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April 2004
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Re: aftermarket gauges
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Wed, 15 June 2005 02:38
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| riceburna73 wrote on Tue, 14 June 2005 22:30 |
| ke35 - 4AGZE wrote on Tue, 14 June 2005 21:52 |
NICE!!
if u dont mind me asking,
how much did your speedo cost??
was it $40 for the 2" gauges?
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Yeh they are fukkn crisp in person. Naa the little ones,oil,temp and fuel were around $40 each the speedo which is 280km was about $200,either way heaps cheaper then Autometer and Kmh which was the deciding factor for me...
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yep thats what i meant 
thanks
$200 for a 280kmh sounds pretty good!!
and did u need to get new sendors as well?
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sunny coast, qld
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October 2002
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Re: aftermarket gauges
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Wed, 15 June 2005 03:44
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| MR 1JZ wrote on Wed, 15 June 2005 09:30 |
yeah but $350 for one 52mm guage is not acceptable IMO, sure they might be accurate but i get 4 autoguage 52mm guages which look awesome and appear to be very accurate for $150
$1500 on guages and a control box is not money worthwhile IMO
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I agree 100%. I don't understand how people can spend so much on guages when there are better things to spend on that may actually make it faster/better handling/stop better etc.
I have a wolf 3d hand controller for most of my guage reading stuff.
The other thing to note is that you only want guages that are easily readable because it isn't like you have much time to look at them when you are driving hard!
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: aftermarket gauges
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Wed, 15 June 2005 06:02
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i have VDO gauges in mine..
in fact i got them brand new in box, but they were manufactured in the early 70's!! seriously!!
i also checked the temps vs my freshly calibrated Megasquirts temp sensors (which was calibrated with a K-type thermocouple datalogger and a water/glycol bath at uni  ) and accuracy was approx +/-1deg as far as i can tell...
(edit, all the temp senders were brand new.. the oil pressure was original)
the Pricol are apparently made to the same specs as the VDO and cost less.
AND the VDO speedo's look awesome definitely on my shopping list..
as for the japanese brand name gauges.. they are, for the most part, just that.. they probably work as well as the VDO's for accuracy, but cost up to 10 times as much..
and as for autometer, afaik, their competition gauges (ie the oil filled types) are quite good, but their cheaper gauges are not so accurate...
then again, any elec sender gauge will not be as accurate as a purely mechanical gauge, imho.
save your dosh, get some nice simple VDO/Pricol gauges, and smirk at the "people" with $1000 worth of gauges on the front left side of their bonnet as they drive down George St
heh heh 
[Updated on: Wed, 15 June 2005 06:03]
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Location:
Sydney
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April 2004
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Toronto, Downtown
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September 2004
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Re: aftermarket gauges
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Wed, 15 June 2005 08:25
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| MR 1JZ wrote on Wed, 15 June 2005 09:30 |
yeah but $350 for one 52mm guage is not acceptable IMO, sure they might be accurate but i get 4 autoguage 52mm guages which look awesome and appear to be very accurate for $150
$1500 on guages and a control box is not money worthwhile IMO
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suit yourself but in my opinion they are worth paying 1500 buks for
they are simply horn!!!
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: aftermarket gauges
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Wed, 15 June 2005 09:09
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| ke35 - 4AGZE wrote on Wed, 15 June 2005 18:21 |
well said.
oldcorollas,
can i just ask what your occupation is?? (research??)
you seem to know more about instrumentation than the avarage person...
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sure... i'm.. umm.... well....
i have a Doctorate of Metallurgy. i specialise in high temperature corrosion reactions and electron microscopy/analysis.. for the past couple of years i have been working on bondcoats for thermal barrier coatings for jet turbine blades...
currently am working on electroplating of diffusion barrier coatings and platinum/nickel/iridium/hafnium onto superalloys (TMS132/CMSX4 etc)
typically i build, install, modify, and then use high precision equipment (like TGA.. measures sample weight inside a furnace to 0.1 microgram accuracy)
oh, and i have moved to Japan for two years with a JSPS fellowship from the japanese government
cars are my hobby/passion and when i decide to find out something abotu them, i try to learn as much as possible.. re: gauges, i checked into different brands, looked up independent (if there is such a thing) tests of gauge accuracy etc....
as for instrumentation, i usually have access to some of the best equipment in the world for various things... but for this i just needed a datalogging temp sensor and a temp controlled bath not too hard really.. you can do the same with a multimeter and K-type thermocouple from jaycar, and a thick bottomed saucepan..
you could also use a "precision temp sensor"part number.. LM35DZ ? the one that goes to 150C with accuracy of 0.1C. these give 10mV/C output so you can read it with any multimeter....
many options, all with much greater accuracy than your average gauge ...
Cya, Stewart
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: aftermarket gauges
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Wed, 15 June 2005 09:10
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yeah yeah, i know i'm a car nerd 
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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Re: aftermarket gauges
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Wed, 15 June 2005 09:13
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| 4agte wrote on Wed, 15 June 2005 18:25 |
suit yourself but in my opinion they are worth paying 1500 buks for
they are simply horn!!!
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each to their own i guess .. "horn"is why ppl pay the money, not accuracy...
btw, can you get the delfi gauges at autobacs? if so i'll stop by tomorrrow and have a look
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Sydney
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September 2004
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Re: aftermarket gauges
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Wed, 15 June 2005 09:33
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I just got my gauges in the mail the other day. I got the autogauge smoke series as well... simply cause i can't justify spending 1k+ on gauges.
4 2" gauges and a 3.75" tacho with shift light set me back about $260. I actually only wanted the tacho but the other stuff was a bargain and i got carried away
All of them were electrical except the boost gauge and NOW i read that you reckon mech gauges are more accurate Stew??? Oh well... i'll test them out after i fit them in and tell you how accurate they are or aren't.
Eddie.
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Sydney
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Re: aftermarket gauges
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Wed, 15 June 2005 10:03
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| oldcorollas wrote on Wed, 15 June 2005 19:09 |
| ke35 - 4AGZE wrote on Wed, 15 June 2005 18:21 |
well said.
oldcorollas,
can i just ask what your occupation is?? (research??)
you seem to know more about instrumentation than the avarage person...
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sure... i'm.. umm.... well....
i have a Doctorate of Metallurgy. i specialise in high temperature corrosion reactions and electron microscopy/analysis.. for the past couple of years i have been working on bondcoats for thermal barrier coatings for jet turbine blades...
currently am working on electroplating of diffusion barrier coatings and platinum/nickel/iridium/hafnium onto superalloys (TMS132/CMSX4 etc)
typically i build, install, modify, and then use high precision equipment (like TGA.. measures sample weight inside a furnace to 0.1 microgram accuracy)
oh, and i have moved to Japan for two years with a JSPS fellowship from the japanese government
cars are my hobby/passion and when i decide to find out something abotu them, i try to learn as much as possible.. re: gauges, i checked into different brands, looked up independent (if there is such a thing) tests of gauge accuracy etc....
as for instrumentation, i usually have access to some of the best equipment in the world for various things... but for this i just needed a datalogging temp sensor and a temp controlled bath not too hard really.. you can do the same with a multimeter and K-type thermocouple from jaycar, and a thick bottomed saucepan..
you could also use a "precision temp sensor"part number.. LM35DZ ? the one that goes to 150C with accuracy of 0.1C. these give 10mV/C output so you can read it with any multimeter....
many options, all with much greater accuracy than your average gauge ...
Cya, Stewart
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fair enough.
nice answer, thanks
i only asked because i am in my 2nd year of an electrical/instrumentation apprenticeship, and a lot of the time you talk of things that people who arnt in the trade wouldnt have heard of.
btw, i work at the Shell Refinery at Clyde
Power and Process Control engineer, Apprenticeship
Power = Sparky
Process Control = Instrumentation
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I supported Toymods
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Adelaide
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July 2004
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Re: aftermarket gauges
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Thu, 16 June 2005 02:32
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| 4agte wrote on Wed, 15 June 2005 17:55 |
| MR 1JZ wrote on Wed, 15 June 2005 09:30 |
yeah but $350 for one 52mm guage is not acceptable IMO, sure they might be accurate but i get 4 autoguage 52mm guages which look awesome and appear to be very accurate for $150
$1500 on guages and a control box is not money worthwhile IMO
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suit yourself but in my opinion they are worth paying 1500 buks for
they are simply horn!!!
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ummm the autoguage ones look just as good dude
all black untill you fire them up, then instant bling
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ACT
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September 2004
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Re: aftermarket gauges
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Fri, 17 June 2005 07:21
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looks like those particular autometers copied the defi BF concept of black out.
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Location:
Melbourne, Vic
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October 2004
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Re: aftermarket gauges
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Tue, 21 June 2005 07:45
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Just to add to this interesting topic, Has anyone got an opinion on Speco Meter guages? http://www.speco.com.au/gauges.html
Just Curious
Cheers
-Phil
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Location:
Melbourne
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February 2005
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Re: aftermarket gauges
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Tue, 21 June 2005 13:18
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i am selling a vdo boost gauge, if you are interested let me know. it fits the description you gave in your original message.
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Toronto, Downtown
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September 2004
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Re: aftermarket gauges
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Tue, 21 June 2005 14:07
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| MR 1JZ wrote on Thu, 16 June 2005 12:32 |
| 4agte wrote on Wed, 15 June 2005 17:55 |
| MR 1JZ wrote on Wed, 15 June 2005 09:30 |
yeah but $350 for one 52mm guage is not acceptable IMO, sure they might be accurate but i get 4 autoguage 52mm guages which look awesome and appear to be very accurate for $150
$1500 on guages and a control box is not money worthwhile IMO
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suit yourself but in my opinion they are worth paying 1500 buks for
they are simply horn!!!
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ummm the autoguage ones look just as good dude
all black untill you fire them up, then instant bling
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they arent delfi at the end of the day
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I supported Toymods
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Adelaide
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Re: aftermarket gauges
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Tue, 21 June 2005 14:09
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thats true, but I can rest on the fact that they are accurate and for the cost of a full set of defis with control unit i can get a 550hp turbo kit or some nice engine management...
i know which i would prefer
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I supported Toymods
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Adelaide
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Re: aftermarket gauges
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Tue, 21 June 2005 14:23
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brand new?
dont think so
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Toronto, Downtown
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Re: aftermarket gauges
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Tue, 21 June 2005 14:28
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just jellous
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Re: aftermarket gauges
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Tue, 21 June 2005 14:44
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Defis are good!
Some guys jus cant afford it thats y...
Plus you can get them pretty cheap but you need to look at the right places, its worth the money. Just look at the guage compare to autometer and you can see the difference in quality.
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I Supported Toymods
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Lwr Templestowe, Melbourne
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Re: aftermarket gauges
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Tue, 21 June 2005 14:55
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Buy cheap accurate gauge. Money saved from not buying full sick gauge you can put into making your car faster
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Toronto, Downtown
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Re: aftermarket gauges
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Tue, 21 June 2005 15:07
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| Yian wrote on Wed, 22 June 2005 00:55 |
Buy cheap accurate gauge. Money saved from not buying full sick gauge you can put into making your car faster
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at some point you have to make you car nice
ive allready got an autometer boost guage cause its simple and was cheap now im sick of looking at it so i bought the delfis
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I Supported Toymods
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Lwr Templestowe, Melbourne
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Re: aftermarket gauges
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Tue, 21 June 2005 15:12
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| 4agte wrote on Wed, 22 June 2005 01:07 |
| Yian wrote on Wed, 22 June 2005 00:55 |
Buy cheap accurate gauge. Money saved from not buying full sick gauge you can put into making your car faster
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at some point you have to make you car nice
ive allready got an autometer boost guage cause its simple and was cheap now im sick of looking at it so i bought the delfis
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Point taken and conceded. 
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