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Banned User
Location: Sydney
Registered: June 2004
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fixed speed cameras
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Wed, 15 June 2005 06:33
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does any1 know if u r goin 4 to 5ks over the limit do the fixed speed cameras still fine u
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Registered: May 2002
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Re: fixed speed cameras
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Wed, 15 June 2005 06:49
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On Probation
Location: sydney
Registered: February 2005
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Re: fixed speed cameras
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Wed, 15 June 2005 06:50
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to my knowledge NO
ive tested them b4
also they dont grab ya if ur heading towards them
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Registered: May 2002
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Re: fixed speed cameras
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Wed, 15 June 2005 06:53
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Quote: | also they dont grab ya if ur heading towards them
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interesting claim, can this be substantiated?
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Location: Bayside Melbourne.
Registered: May 2003
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Re: fixed speed cameras
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Wed, 15 June 2005 06:57
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ke382TG wrote on Wed, 15 June 2005 16:53 |
Quote: | also they dont grab ya if ur heading towards them
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interesting claim, can this be substantiated?
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Well I've never seen a fixed camera grab anyone. All I've seen them to is flash and take pictures.
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I supported Toymods
Location: Epping, Sydney
Registered: May 2002
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Re: fixed speed cameras
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Wed, 15 June 2005 07:28
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I'm led to believe that a speed camera will only catch the traffic on the same side of the road as it is on, which means it always takes the photo from behind. this is unsubstantiated on all cameras, but I can garantee it for at least 3 in my area
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Location: melbourne
Registered: October 2003
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Re: fixed speed cameras
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Wed, 15 June 2005 08:11
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im would say im 99% sure this is true.
i read somewhere the the camera needs to be calibrated, depending on whether it is going to fuck over people travelling towards it, or away from it.
also, you have to be doing 3km/h over the acceptable limit. ie, in a 60 zone the camera wont book you for 3km/h over, but it will for 6. i learnt this from my speeding ticket. inside the letter it says that the speed you get booked for is 3km/h LESS than the speed your were clocked at. this is the allowance for an incorrect speedo i guess.
Will
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: February 2004
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Re: fixed speed cameras
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Wed, 15 June 2005 08:34
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If you get done by fixed speed cameras in nsw, you really shouldnt be driving, there are like 3 signs before each one announcing that it is ahead.
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Location: Sydney
Registered: April 2003
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Re: fixed speed cameras
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Wed, 15 June 2005 08:39
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ke382TG wrote on Wed, 15 June 2005 16:53 |
Quote: | also they dont grab ya if ur heading towards them
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interesting claim, can this be substantiated?
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Yeah I think so, I've read it on an RTA or similar government agency web site before, and also numerous people have told me the same thing.
Put it this way, when I'm going past a fixed speed camera that's facing the direction I'm travelling, I sit 10km/h under the posted speed limit, I don't give a fuck what other people are doing or anything, I don't trust the fucking things and I don't give a rat's arse who gets the shits behind me, anyway ven when I'm travelling towards a fixed speed camera I still try to stay under the limit, but say maybe 5km/h, but I've been doing the speed limit or just over before when I've gone past a camera in the other direction and I've never received a fine.
Also, and god bless the fucked up NSW State Government for this lol, but I've also read somewhere, that there are certain privacy laws only in NSW that prevent the fixed speed cameras snapping an image of you from the front of your vehicle, BUT I'm pretty sure that the fixed speed cameras in school zones actually CAN get you from the front, I make sure as hell that I am doing way less than the speed limit when I go past those ones, in BOTH DIRECTIONS lol.
I've only been nabbed by a fixed speed camera once, and it was the one on Parramatta Road at Auburn, and me and a mate both swear I was only doing 65km/h in a 60km/h zone, but it still got me, and when I got the letter it said I was doing 70km/h, it was bullshit but I didn't bother fighting it as I knew I couldn't win haha.
Fixed speed cameras are waaay better than Highway Patrol officers standing in a hidden little spot on the side of the road that's for fucking sure.
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Location: Wollongong
Registered: May 2002
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Re: fixed speed cameras
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Wed, 15 June 2005 09:24
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They can get you front on. 3 fixed cameras within 2km of where I live will get you front on, as it is a dual carriageway and can't possibly get the other side of the road. Depends on the camera setup though.
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Location: Sydney
Registered: September 2004
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Re: fixed speed cameras
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Wed, 15 June 2005 09:45
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I would say that its true that they can only scan the traffic facing the same direction.
This is supported by the way the things are designed. If you look at some of the older cameras (i think they are getting better at hiding this on the new ones hehe, either that or they employ a new method) you will notice there are magnetic strips in the road at the distance the camera is calibrated for. These are similar to the strips at traffic lights used to sense traffic waiting on the red.
I assume that these are used to trigger the operation of the camera, as I have been driving behind people who have crossed, or had just crossed, those lines at speed right at the flashpoint.
Now I have yet to see the same strips on the other side of the road scanning oncoming traffic. Mind you, I am still weary of them, especially the ones setup on roads where there is only one lane either way
In all honesty tho its not worth the risk of testing them, and considering your only lowering your speed for say 30 seconds until they are passed its not a huge inconvenience. If that brands me a chicken, atleast this chook aint gonna get fined
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Registered: June 2003
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Re: fixed speed cameras
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Wed, 15 June 2005 09:59
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I'm told it's to do with privacy laws. They're not allowed to photograph your face - so they can only take a pic of your cars arse.
Apparently.
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Location: Potts Point, Sydney
Registered: October 2003
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Re: fixed speed cameras
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Wed, 15 June 2005 12:24
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Was travelling on Rocky Point Rd tonight, and the dude in front of me wasn't doing much more than me (probably around 65) and got snapped by a fixed camera. As soon as i saw the flash slammed the brakes on and down to 50, can't afford fines at the moment
I heard they cant snap you from the front because the flash is blinding, but not 100% sure on that
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Location: Pine Rivers QLD
Registered: April 2005
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Re: fixed speed cameras
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Wed, 15 June 2005 12:54
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Camera cannot fine you front on if they flash. it is a deterrent and can cause crashes. you can only be flashed from behind. And don't get me started on NSW. we don't really have fixed in QLD and the sorta stuff i saw when i went down there one day. OMG. they even have huge scaffolding across the highly layered with cameras. i swear a saw a red light flash when i went under it but i got no fine. i heard somewhere there is a place that take your photo in two places. if the time between these photos is too low you get a fine because you must have sped. any care to verify this???? thats just what i heard
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Location: Kellyville, Sydney
Registered: June 2004
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Re: fixed speed cameras
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Wed, 15 June 2005 13:18
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it thought the reason for no pics from behind was because motorbikes dont have plates on the front. and i got done for 66 through one so you might be in for a fine. bastards.
chris
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Location: Newcastle, Australia
Registered: March 2005
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Re: fixed speed cameras
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Thu, 16 June 2005 00:31
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You are allowed up to 10% for speedo inaccuracy, so if you get done for 66 or less in a 60 zone you can usually contest it successfully. I always thought the camera was set to not take a pic unless you were more than 10% over, but I guess I was wrong.
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Registered: May 2002
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Re: fixed speed cameras
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Thu, 16 June 2005 00:55
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I read in a motorbike review once, as it was done in Vic, that the camera's in Vic were set to 2K's over the limit. That would be weak.
Also, to do with the 10% accuracy thing, can the authourities claim that we should 'know' the speed we're doing? Does Vic have those big speed caliberation signs on the roads? (The ones that say you are doing XXkph as you drive past) The govt could claim that with those signs around, you should know how much your speedo is out, and fine you for speeding within the 10%?
Tim.
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Location: Campbelltown
Registered: November 2003
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Re: fixed speed cameras
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Thu, 16 June 2005 04:38
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i'm pretty sure they only take pictures behind you although, about a year back there was some that took pictures front on. Cos as you know motorbikes legally don't have to have plates on the front and they kept on riding past doing wheelies at over the speed limit or just giving the camera a finger and laughing.
Hehehe stupid but kinda funny. There was a story showing some of the pics in a weekend paper.
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Registered: May 2002
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Re: fixed speed cameras
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Thu, 16 June 2005 05:21
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ndgcpr wrote on Wed, 15 June 2005 22:54 | Camera cannot fine you front on if they flash. it is a deterrent and can cause crashes. you can only be flashed from behind. And don't get me started on NSW. we don't really have fixed in QLD and the sorta stuff i saw when i went down there one day. OMG. they even have huge scaffolding across the highly layered with cameras. i swear a saw a red light flash when i went under it but i got no fine. i heard somewhere there is a place that take your photo in two places. if the time between these photos is too low you get a fine because you must have sped. any care to verify this???? thats just what i heard
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.. which is silly because if someone on the other side of the road gets snapped, guess what !?!? the flash gos off in your face because you are driving in the opposite direction !
im gonna srite to the RTA on what the rules are on speed cameras
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Location: Newcastle, Australia
Registered: March 2005
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Re: fixed speed cameras
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Thu, 16 June 2005 05:39
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What if your GF was giving you a BJ and the camera took a pic of the front of your car...I think it is a good idea that it only takes a pic of the back of the car.
I need some of those James Bond numberplates that just rotate at the touch of a switch
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Location: Campbelltown
Registered: November 2003
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Re: fixed speed cameras
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Thu, 16 June 2005 05:42
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i think that is actually part of the reason they are taking photos from the rear as otherwise ppl's faces would be on the photos. In saying that though when we had our sigma station wagon it had 7 seats and the last two faced backwards. I used to wave and pull faces at ppl when i was little. Mind you we sold that car by the time i was 4 or 5
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Location: Sydney
Registered: September 2004
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Re: fixed speed cameras
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Thu, 16 June 2005 05:45
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Les wrote on Thu, 16 June 2005 15:21 |
ndgcpr wrote on Wed, 15 June 2005 22:54 | Camera cannot fine you front on if they flash. it is a deterrent and can cause crashes. you can only be flashed from behind. And don't get me started on NSW. we don't really have fixed in QLD and the sorta stuff i saw when i went down there one day. OMG. they even have huge scaffolding across the highly layered with cameras. i swear a saw a red light flash when i went under it but i got no fine. i heard somewhere there is a place that take your photo in two places. if the time between these photos is too low you get a fine because you must have sped. any care to verify this???? thats just what i heard
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.. which is silly because if someone on the other side of the road gets snapped, guess what !?!? the flash gos off in your face because you are driving in the opposite direction !
im gonna srite to the RTA on what the rules are on speed cameras
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Yeah I was travelling at around 55km/h on Parramatta Rd Auburn city-bound near the megamart and I there was a sick cunt with a fart cannon next to me. I knew he would speed and get flashed, which he did but the flash still shocked me more than I thought it would have.
I'm pretty sure they're not allowed to flash you from infront because it will temporarily hinder your vision. You could smash into something, blame the camera and sue. I've also never seen a camera that is facing towards me anyway(unless it's on the other side of the road which means it is snapping cars from behind).
Also, if you're driving towards the camera would it be difficult to catch the number plate? You have the light coming from the camera flash and you have the light from your car headlights making it awfully bright. It would be easier from behind.
Also, when driving towards a camera
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Location: Potts Point, Sydney
Registered: October 2003
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Location: Sydney
Registered: September 2004
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Re: fixed speed cameras
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Thu, 16 June 2005 06:06
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Looks like I was wrong. It's all about teh privacy
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Location: Sydney
Registered: September 2004
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Re: fixed speed cameras
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Thu, 16 June 2005 06:08
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dimmy77_03 wrote on Thu, 16 June 2005 15:50 |
thu187 wrote on Thu, 16 June 2005 15:45 |
Yeah I was travelling at around 55km/h on Parramatta Rd Auburn city-bound near the megamart and I there was a sick cunt with a fart cannon next to me. I knew he would speed and get flashed, which he did but the flash still shocked me more than I thought it would have.
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i know that camera, pass it on my way to uni. I thought everyone knew it was there coz i think there are 4 signs before it, and everyone slows down to 50/55kmh just in case the camera is out
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LOL some ppl are too icksay to worry about cameras!
Who knows, maybe he was being a good driver and never saw the signs because he was concentrating on the road ahead of him
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Registered: May 2002
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Re: fixed speed cameras
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Thu, 16 June 2005 08:06
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Ribfeast wrote on Thu, 16 June 2005 15:39 | What if your GF was giving you a BJ and the camera took a pic of the front of your car...I think it is a good idea that it only takes a pic of the back of the car.
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then ur pic will be on google ..
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Location: Brisbane
Registered: March 2005
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Re: fixed speed cameras
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Thu, 16 June 2005 10:28
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i was under the impression that they could not take pics of the front of the car because the flash would cause too much of a distraction to drivers. i have gone past cameras at about 5k over and not been done for it.
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Location: Hobart, Tasmania
Registered: January 2005
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Re: fixed speed cameras
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Thu, 16 June 2005 23:20
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I know that in Tasmania, as a general rule of thumb, speed cameras will only capture you if you are 10% above the posted speed limit. They will capture you both directions as I have seen the photos when my friends have been caught.
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Registered: May 2002
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Re: fixed speed cameras
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Fri, 17 June 2005 01:43
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1 mark to Rainey, 0 to the rest of us ....
My Question to the RTA yesterday...
Dear Sir or Madam,
Can you please clarify how speed cameras in NSW work. I have been told by different people that fixed speed cameras can only take a photo of your car when you are speeding when you go past it but not when you are driving towards it. How true is this claim.
If the RTA cannot provide an answer to this question, would you kindly provide me with the contact of someone that I can direct this enquiry to.
I am a careful driver in all instances follow all road rules but there is too much second guessing going on and i would like to know for sure how it is exactly fixed speed cameras work.
Kind Regards,
AND the reply from the RTA
Dear Sir/Madam,
The RTA uses bi-directional photography at a number of sites throughout
NSW. At these locations, vehicles may be photographed travelling
towards or away from the camera. Legally, photographs can be taken from
either in front or from behind the vehicle. NSW Police have been using
both frontal and rear photography in their mobile enforcement, for some
years.
By way of general information the fixed digital speed cameras detect the
speed of vehicles by using electronic sensors embedded in the road
surface. These sensors deflect slightly when a vehicle is driven over
them, which then triggers an electronic device that accurately measures
the speed of the vehicle. If the speed of the vehicle exceeds the legal
limit then a digital picture is taken of the offending vehicle. The RTA
does not use radar technology in the fixed digital speed cameras across
New South Wales.
I trust this information is of assistance.
Regards,
Enforcement Technology
answer all your questions ??
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Location: Epping, Sydney
Registered: April 2003
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Location: Central Coast, NSW
Registered: February 2005
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Re: fixed speed cameras
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Fri, 17 June 2005 03:48
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Les wrote on Fri, 17 June 2005 11:43 | By way of general information the fixed digital speed cameras detect the
speed of vehicles by using electronic sensors embedded in the road
surface. These sensors deflect slightly when a vehicle is driven over
them, which then triggers an electronic device that accurately measures
the speed of the vehicle. If the speed of the vehicle exceeds the legal
limit then a digital picture is taken of the offending vehicle.
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Accurately, indeed!
Hey so does this mean if we swerve around the electronic sensors then we won't get our picture taken?
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Registered: May 2002
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Re: fixed speed cameras
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Fri, 17 June 2005 04:52
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hmm, having re-read that section, i think u need to drift sideways through the strips ... so ae86 drivers (with 4ac, 4age, gze 20v etc) will never be caught by speed cameras because those cars are made for drifting and should always be drifted ..... yes i am taking the piss..
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Location: Wollongong
Registered: May 2002
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Membership Secretary
Location: Sydney
Registered: June 2002
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Location: sydney
Registered: July 2004
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Re: fixed speed cameras
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Fri, 17 June 2005 12:50
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i read in rice fours(hot fours) once that they aparently on pic one lane at a time but can be manually change (and are) todifferent lanes and that they only pic up for 20m
my 2c
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Location: Kellyville, Sydney
Registered: June 2004
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Re: fixed speed cameras
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Sat, 18 June 2005 04:25
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Quote: | they aparently on pic one lane at a time but can be manually change (and are) todifferent lanes and that they only pic up for 20m
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jesus oli wtf was that about?
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Location: Sydney
Registered: May 2003
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Re: fixed speed cameras
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Sat, 18 June 2005 15:31
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Sprinter-Saurus wrote on Wed, 15 June 2005 18:39 |
ke382TG wrote on Wed, 15 June 2005 16:53 |
Quote: | also they dont grab ya if ur heading towards them
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interesting claim, can this be substantiated?
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Put it this way, when I'm going past a fixed speed camera that's facing the direction I'm travelling, I sit 10km/h under the posted speed limit, I don't give a fuck what other people are doing or anything, I don't trust the fucking things and I don't give a rat's arse who gets the shits behind me, anyway ven when I'm travelling towards a fixed speed camera I still try to stay under the limit, but say maybe 5km/h, but I've been doing the speed limit or just over before when I've gone past a camera in the other direction and I've never received a fine.
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and this alone si why i beleive they result in an increase in percentages of seriosu accidents if not death
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Location: Newcastle
Registered: June 2004
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Re: fixed speed cameras
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Sun, 19 June 2005 07:02
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bigg willie style wrote on Wed, 15 June 2005 18:11 | im would say im 99% sure this is true.
i read somewhere the the camera needs to be calibrated, depending on whether it is going to fuck over people travelling towards it, or away from it.
also, you have to be doing 3km/h over the acceptable limit. ie, in a 60 zone the camera wont book you for 3km/h over, but it will for 6. i learnt this from my speeding ticket. inside the letter it says that the speed you get booked for is 3km/h LESS than the speed your were clocked at. this is the allowance for an incorrect speedo i guess.
Will
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I have a friend that got booked for speeding my a fixed camera and they sent him the photo. He was heading towards the speed camera, not away.....
If any of you guys are so confident then test it! Go past one at 200kph heading towards it.
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Registered: May 2002
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Re: fixed speed cameras
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Mon, 20 June 2005 01:05
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which one was it mate ??
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Location: Epping, Sydney
Registered: April 2003
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Re: fixed speed cameras
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Mon, 20 June 2005 02:28
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cycleofabuse wrote on Sun, 19 June 2005 17:02 |
bigg willie style wrote on Wed, 15 June 2005 18:11 | im would say im 99% sure this is true.
i read somewhere the the camera needs to be calibrated, depending on whether it is going to fuck over people travelling towards it, or away from it.
also, you have to be doing 3km/h over the acceptable limit. ie, in a 60 zone the camera wont book you for 3km/h over, but it will for 6. i learnt this from my speeding ticket. inside the letter it says that the speed you get booked for is 3km/h LESS than the speed your were clocked at. this is the allowance for an incorrect speedo i guess.
Will
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I have a friend that got booked for speeding my a fixed camera and they sent him the photo. He was heading towards the speed camera, not away.....
If any of you guys are so confident then test it! Go past one at 200kph heading towards it.
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well I have gone past the Castle Hill road one at half that speed
hehe but that infa-red comment has me scared
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