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Toymods Social Secretary
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People who light bushfires, dob in a ciggie tosser 131 555
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Thu, 05 December 2002 03:59
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im probably going to get myself in trouble, or get this thread deleted, but it doesn't worry me since i feel such anger on this topic.
Anyone who lights a bushfire is a c*nt. The idea that someone gets their jollies from doing this sickens me. So far i know of at least 3 separate families who have been affected by the fires, and i suspect one of them has possibly lost their house in Glenorie.
I call on any person that finds a firebug to grab them by the balls or by any other vicious manner, drag them into the centre of your local town, tie them up, and let everyone around come in to abuse that person as they see fit.
Follow this by putting the person in a flame proof suit, which is not heat proof, tie them to a tree in the bushfire, and leave them to boil in their own skin in the shit that they caused.
a person like this deserves no better! I am infurated that these types of people can start these fires and get away with it.
Now to any Toymodders out there who are at risk or affected by these fires, i would like to offer my help with whatever you need that i can provide. I emplore all other Toymodders offer their assistance also to those who need it.
[Updated on: Fri, 06 December 2002 04:18]
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October 2002
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Re: People who light bushfires
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Thu, 05 December 2002 04:46
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i agree 150%, what kinda mentality would you have to have to light a bush fire and waste other ppls money for firefighters and stuff and u'r killing the environment for what, sick busted in the head ppl only do this... and smokers piss me off with butts out the window
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I supported Toymods
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Re: People who light bushfires
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Thu, 05 December 2002 05:06
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Youll find i have no objection to this form of punishment. I agree with you also Karl.
I think they should be branded with a red hot prod like they do to cattle so that no matter where they go in their whole life people will know what horrible people they are.
Freaky,
Dont get me wrong as im a smoker and the first thing i do when i get in the car is light up but you will also notice that my ash tray is always 1/2 to full as i do use it all the time.
To those of you who's excuse is it hurts the resale value of the car the dont be such a tight ass... It shouldnt be more than $20 - $30 to buy a new ash tray if you ever wanted to sell the car.
(Ok... Bitch over)
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I supported Toymods
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sydney
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May 2002
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Illawarra
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May 2002
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Re: People who light bushfires
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Thu, 05 December 2002 05:37
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I feel strongly about this topic as i live at the bottom of Mt keira and recently some faggot decided to lit the sucker up, well no punishment is enough for these buggers, they not only get there jollies out of it, but they cause many families to lose their homes an possessions, they put our TRUE heros (firefighter) at risk over something so petty,
Oh what i wouldn't give to have one of those firebugs in front of me right now, he'd probably wish man never invented fire,
Firebugs beware, my 'rolla isn't just made for driving miss daisy
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Toymods Social Secretary
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Sydney
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July 2002
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Re: People who light bushfires
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Thu, 05 December 2002 05:45
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as it is close to home with me also. 
i know of more than one family, including one related that lives in the berowra area, an old friend in glenorie, HKSPete in picnic point, old friend in Box Hill, friends in Kenthurst and the list goes on. I have also been stranded as a 12 yr old in Budgeewoi during the '94 fires.
Either way, i think my punishment stands. Putting those people on the front line of a fire would be allowing them to admire their work. Truly they should suffer at its hands.
Now lets hear it for our LEGEND FIREFIGHTERS!
Theses guys are true heros. I wish i had the guts, determination and selflessness these guys have, for i would be a better person.
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I supported Toymods
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Re: People who light bushfires
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Thu, 05 December 2002 05:50
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I actually ment it is close to home from the fighter view.
I know quite a few of the guys out there and know first hand the conditions they are putting themselves through.
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Mornington Peninsula
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September 2002
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Re: People who light bushfires
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Thu, 05 December 2002 05:56
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I know how it feels, the 83 Ash wendesday fires burnt to the end of our road. Upper Beaconsfield was the town worst hit by those fires. I think it was 2 separate fires from 2 directions that came and surrounded the town. We were lucky. Most people weren't. I think 26 civilian lives were lost within a matter of hours in one very small town.
I was only one when they hit but I'm still living in the same area and know how it affected everyone. If it weren't for careless dick heads things wouldn't have been like that.
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Toymods Social Secretary
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Sydney
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Re: People who light bushfires
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Thu, 05 December 2002 05:59
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hence why i hold them with the utmost respect 
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Coffs
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May 2002
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Re: People who light bushfires
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Thu, 05 December 2002 13:01
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I heard something on the news this morning about the relief fund drying up and thought that Toymods could collect some funds for all the poor people that lose their homes.
Just an idea.
I would hate to lose my house because some di*k head was having fun.
I feel for all the people affected.
Brett
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I supported Toymods
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Sutho/Hills NSW
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September 2002
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Re: People who light bushfires
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Thu, 05 December 2002 13:09
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i came bloudy close here "illawong"
houses across the road had small fires in their backyard and one house had its front yard on fire.
I couldnt even get home had to stay at my cousins place for the nite.
Any person i see flick a cigarette is gona get ramed 
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November 2002
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Re: People who light bushfires
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Thu, 05 December 2002 14:17
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Well they caughht the guy who lit the Holsworty fires. but as I also heard tonight the last one that was charged in '94 only got 2 years because he was put in front of a magistrate not a district court. Then came on good old Mr Premier saying it didn't matter as long as they caught him. HA
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Toymods Social Secretary
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Sydney
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July 2002
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Re: People who light bushfires
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Thu, 05 December 2002 23:01
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2 years!!!??!?! 
if that little cunt gets something as ridiculous as that, im afraid im going to havwe to do something about it!
Mr Carr, get your act together 
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Sydney
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October 2002
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Re: People who light bushfires
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Thu, 05 December 2002 23:51
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i never noticed that blue face howd u do that its a good face eheh 
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July 2002
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Re: People who light bushfires
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Fri, 06 December 2002 03:16
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I was home early on wednesday and fighting fire in a neighbour's backyard (tip: buckets and pools are good!)
House on my street went up and is no more. I was there when it happened and parked the fairy where it was (flames were 30m away) and ran down the hill to find my place ok, but a neighbours backyard on fire. The neighbour wasn't home. He came round yesterday with a case of crownies for a thank you.
Whats the number to call if you see someone flick a butt out their window? We can help by calling that number more and taking down numberplates of people that do it.
As for ramming, if I'm in the Fairy I'll definately think about it.
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Mornington Peninsula
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September 2002
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Re: People who light bushfires
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Fri, 06 December 2002 03:31
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You have more chance of your home surviving if you stay with your house and don't evacuate, BUT you have to make sure that the area is prepared, no rubish around the house, enought water, hoses are inside, you're properly dresses (nothing worse than seeing dick heads fighting fires in thongs and shorts)
A wet mop and a bucket of water with detergent in it is always good. Detergent is a wetting agent so that helps a lot.
Most houses can burn when embers from a fire land on the house or around it. If you're there to put them out then you'll save the house. A fire front can only take a minute or two to pass but the house won't start to burn until it's gone through.
Pete had the right idea, good work.
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Toymods Social Secretary
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July 2002
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Re: People who light bushfires
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Fri, 06 December 2002 04:14
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yeah Pete, im with you on calling that number, its the EPA! and they are out to fuck up ciggie butt throwers
call 131 555
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Re: People who light bushfires
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Fri, 06 December 2002 04:19
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I don't want to kill the seriousness of this thread but let the record show: I had an idea!
Yeah definately stay with the home, fill bathtubs and any buckets with water (still got buckets round the house full). Have an escape rout planned (including photos!). Keep beer in fridge as after fighting fire even VB tastes good! (I'm not a beer drinker). Rake up all leaves and take them away (to the tip - not in the bin as bins burn and then bonfire!)
Good community thing too as I met the guy that lives behind our house.
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May 2002
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Re: People who light bushfires
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Fri, 06 December 2002 04:19
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Just curious, with that EPA number, all i do is call that number if i see the fag in front of me throw his butt out the window,
is it that simple?
"Nothing worse than seeing the cigarette butt, of the driver in front of you, on your windscreen wiper"
yes it happened once to me, i wanted to ram him so badly
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Re: People who light bushfires, dob in a ciggie tosser 131 555
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Fri, 06 December 2002 04:20
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Thanks Karl, saved it in my phone.
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Re: People who light bushfires, dob in a ciggie tosser 131 555
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Fri, 06 December 2002 04:47
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how could they varify the allegations coz u could just be cut at the guy in front coz he s driving bad, i wouldnt but i can see ppl doin that???
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Toymods Social Secretary
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July 2002
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Re: People who light bushfires, dob in a ciggie tosser 131 555
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Fri, 06 December 2002 04:58
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i think the main point is nino, that if a fire starts at the same location and time to when you "dob in" the said ciggie butt tosser, that the EPA will investigate. Its an avenue for the EPA and fire investigation crews to determine the causes of some of these fires.
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Canberra
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May 2002
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Re: People who light bushfires, dob in a ciggie tosser 131 555
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Fri, 06 December 2002 06:00
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Does this number work accross Aus or just in NSW??
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Re: People who light bushfires, dob in a ciggie tosser 131 555
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Fri, 06 December 2002 06:04
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If enough people call about one person then they'll probably look into it - "We've had 5 calls from 5 different people all saying that this guy throws cigarette butts out his window, lets go get him."
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I supported Toymods
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South of Wollongong
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May 2002
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Re: People who light bushfires, dob in a ciggie tosser 131 555
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Sat, 07 December 2002 01:28
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Im just sitting here reading todays illawarra mercury....says they found one of the people that started a fire.
some 18yr old intellectual disabled male.
"(name) of Glenfield is alleged to have lit a fire on Wednesday in scrub at Glenfield, less than 600m from his family home."
"If convicted he faces a maximum 14yrs jail"
well back to my reading....
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Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: People who light bushfires, dob in a ciggie tosser 131 555
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Sat, 07 December 2002 09:56
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As a person who when younger came very close to loosing his home in ash wednesday - i can sympathise for the people up in NSW ..
Fire is not good - plain and simple - and rugthly so any arsonists should be punished and punished hard ..
I have little to no respect for smokers who flick butts out the window with out extinguishing them - they are one of the main causes of these types of fires .. it takes 2 seconds to butt one out and a lasy C%$T to throw one out the window ..
If your going to smoke - do so in a RESPONSIBLE manner - simple plain laziness can cost peoples homes
Also on this its about time the greenies got their arses kicked for stopping back burning - theres less risk of bushfire when the crap under the trees is cleared regularly
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Brisbane - Chapel Hill
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June 2002
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Re: People who light bushfires, dob in a ciggie tosser 131 555
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Sun, 08 December 2002 08:40
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I'm against anyone neglecting to put litter in its place. Throwing rubbish from a vehicle, especially volatile rubbish, is an act of VANDALISM, and should be delt with as that. It is a crime.
But when it comes to fire prevention, society is to blame. Nobody remembers Christmas fires when the poor old firies want to back-burn during winter. It's all 'but my clothes are on the line' ... 'cant they do that some place else' ... 'look at what they are doing to the environment!'. Why are people so dumb? WAKE UP PEOPLE! FUCKOS!
Maybe I'm just cynical ...
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Toymods Social Secretary
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Sydney
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July 2002
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Re: People who light bushfires, dob in a ciggie tosser 131 555
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Sun, 08 December 2002 12:49
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i would be inclined to agree!
most people would whinge about a fire in winter. I myself would be welcoming of it! It's a pity most people have a forsight shorter than the memory capacity of a goldfish
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I supported Toymods
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Re: People who light bushfires, dob in a ciggie tosser 131 555
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Sun, 08 December 2002 22:10
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the main problem the Firies have with the controled burn offs are the greeny's...
if it was just the local residents they really wouldn't care cause there are always flyers and adverrtising before they go ahead with it.
IT is the greeny's that bitch about burning the land/trees whatever, when come the end of the day.. it is actually beneficial to the native trees to have a fire go through.(helps them grow or something)
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Toymods Social Secretary
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Sydney
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July 2002
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Re: People who light bushfires, dob in a ciggie tosser 131 555
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Sun, 08 December 2002 22:40
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thats correct! most gum trees and other native plants rely on bushfires to regenerate, and reproduce. Did you know that most gumnuts will only open up in the intense heat of a bushfire?
and the greenies... goddam i hate the greenies. Im soooo going to give them a serve at Uni next year.
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July 2002
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Re: People who light bushfires, dob in a ciggie tosser 131 555
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Mon, 09 December 2002 00:22
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Karl & HSV_gal,
It's not quite correct to say that native plants rely fire to regenerate. Gumnuts will open up and trees will regenerate on their own without the fire BUT the fire does speed up the process.
While I agree wholeheartedly with all the sentiments shown here the biggest problem for the EPA and their hotline is that it's hardly worth a pinch of shit as when it comes to Court the onnus of proof is on the EPA and NOT the defendant, unfortunate as it may be that's the way the Court system works.
Firstly the EPA would have either
1.) to issue the offender with a fine in the mail OR
2.) bring Court proceedings against the offender
NOTE - When the EPA issues a fine in the mail they issue it against the registered owner of the car and leave it up to that person to prove it if they weren't driving the car.
Unfortunately even these firebug turds do have the right to defend themselves so if they get a fine in the mail or have Court proceedings initiated against them they can opt to do so.
When it goes to Court the EPA has to provide proof that sways the Court to believe "on the balance of probability" (which is actually harder than it sounds) that the turd threw the ciggie butt (or lit the fire with the thrown ciggie butt as the case may be).
In the case of the 18yo kid where there are clear witnesses it's an easy case to get a conviction, in the case of "dob in a ciggie tosser, from a moving car, in traffic, and not having seen the actual person who threw the butt" it's much harder to prove this as there are so many things they have to discount.
Even assuming that you, the dobber innerer (for want of a better phrase), attends Court as a witness - Like "Who was the driver at the time - was it the reg'd owner or someone else?", "Is the dobber innerer able to identify the actual person who tossed the ciggie butt?", "Is the actual ciggie butt thrown by THIS person responcible for starting THAT fire?", plus the whole issue of it being one persons word against the other, and then even if you have a second witness in the same car as you there's the logistics of that person being able to see, from the other side of the car, what the drive saw from right behind the ciggie tosser. With a Court deciding such a case on the balance of probability it will more often than not be thrown out more than once unless there is a lot more evidence against the person, so have a think about this before you call the number, as I personally would rather see some real action (a conviction) taken rather than a slap on the wrist. Get a good look at them, write the rego number down, clearly, and keep it, preferably have a second witness.
What the EPA is banking on is that most people won't recognise their right to defend themselves and pay the fine!!
So if in the case of point 1 above the turd defends him or herself and it ends up in Court the majority of the time the EPA will drop the complaint as they more often than not have insufficient real proof otherwise it's only going to end up being thrown out anyway, I know this first hand (not for lighting a fire or dropping a ciggie butt before I get flamed).
Personally I'd rather just do away with Political correctness and civil liberties and go back to the days of lynchings OR If you throw a ciggie you have your hand cut off, if you rape you have your dick cut off, if you murder you get put to death, but that's just me.
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I supported Toymods
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Re: People who light bushfires, dob in a ciggie tosser 131 555
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Mon, 09 December 2002 04:03
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ok... so to be correct tho...
If I say that at least if the the firies were allowed to do controled burn off's and clear the fallen depree (which mind you is what makes the fires so bloddy hot) there wouldn't be alot left to burn come fire season and these serious Fires just wouldn't be a major issue.
Sorry I am just at the point where all the greenies need to wake up to themselves and let the world get on with what they have to do... I mean it is not like the fire brigade are just out there lighting fires for the fun of it... Maybe we should make them pay for the damage to ppl's homes and replace lost property, lives etc.
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Hornsby, N.S.W
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September 2002
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Mon, 09 December 2002 04:38
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i saw this fool just today, throw a burning cigerette, into the bush on the side of the road at thornleigh, what an idiot, does he no understand, i feel like getting out and going to the boot removing the tyre leaver and giving him a tap across the nuckles for being foolish.
JUZZO 
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