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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer
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Sun, 26 June 2005 08:01
 
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I can't really offer you too much advice other than this - regarding the wiring, just make sure you label everything...
Or you'll be sorry later...
Best of luck mate. 
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer
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Mon, 27 June 2005 04:09
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well the car is home. i was told to just unwire the ecu and pull the leads through. that'll make life easier if the can stay on the motor so i guess i will try that.
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer
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Mon, 27 June 2005 04:10
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Yeah, just get under the dash and unplug the loom from the ECU and the dash plugs and push it through the hole.
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Brisbane
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer
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Mon, 27 June 2005 04:49
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what he said ... except that my 1G-gte (gen II) loom had the oil and charge light in the engine loom, so you'd have to either:
-run you own wires from the engine-bay-chassis loom (if it comes from there in the 1gge) to the relevant bit on the engine, or
-identify in the cabin chassis loom where those wire connect and mate up the same in the 1ggte cabin plugs
am unsure of the AC wiring as the engine didn't have a compressor.
wilbo and i might be able to tell you where the charge/oil lights go in a povo MZ10 when we shift the track hack later this week.
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer
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Mon, 27 June 2005 04:54
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I'm going to assume the coolant temp wire will be a yellow wire with a green trace, as all the A6X's I've mucked around with have been like this, and from memory (although I could be wrong), Peewee's Cressida was the same.
A/C wire you'll need to trace. Charge light in my case was working fine once I spliced the factory GA61 wiring onto the GA70 plug. That said, if the car originally came with a voltmeter instead of a charge light like mine, you will end up with an "everything is ok" light. 
Oil light should be a simple splice from the engine loom to the existing dash loom.
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer
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Mon, 27 June 2005 05:38
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ok. yes it is a gen 2 as far as i can tell. and i sorta already knew about the sump and pick up. it has no voltmeter so i guess it will be simple enough. I sorta left this week aside to pull the 2 motors down then swap on the weekend then spend next week putting them back together. I was also told the unwireing of the loom bit should take all of 1/2 hour so i guess the rest of the week is free to trace wires FUN!!!!
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer
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Mon, 27 June 2005 06:24
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am not sure if you mean that you're swapping engine looms on the motors - or are you talking about connecting the new engine's loom to the 1MZ? it's the later that you should be doing.
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer
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Mon, 27 June 2005 06:59
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i am ver confused. 1MZ??? its a GZ10 and a GZ20 is that what you mean.
I am keeping the GTE loom with the GTE and the GEU loom with the GEU. it is the wiring of the dashes that i think the problems will arrise
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer
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Mon, 27 June 2005 07:21
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sorry - my bad, typing while trying to work ... anyway... you answered my query.
if you go back to the chassis loom that the GUE connected to (near the ECU) you might be able to track them out to actual sensors via colour codes and use of a multimeter.
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer
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Mon, 27 June 2005 11:40
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just wondering, what will happen if i don't wire the dash? not that i will drive around with it unwired but i thought i could see if it runs without the dash wired. do i just loose all my warning gauges and tacho????
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Brisbane
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer
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Mon, 27 June 2005 12:09
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nothing wrong with it except if you dont know that you've lost oil pressure, or that temps have climbed sky-high or that the check-engine light is blinking at you... then you might toast another engine?
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer
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Tue, 28 June 2005 02:38
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i always thought that the motor and the dash ran off the ecu? is this not the case? i was just looking over the car and it seems the dash runs straight off the motor?
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer
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Tue, 28 June 2005 05:24
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Dash Item - Where it comes from - Does it go to ECU?
Speedo - Gearbox - No
Tacho - Ignitor/Coil - No
Fuel Guage - Fuel Tank Sender - No
Temp Guage - Single Wire Temp Sensor on Motor- No
Brake Light - Handbrake/Fluid Resevior - No
Oil Light - Oil Pressure Sensor on block - No
Check Engine Light- ECU - Yes
Door Light - Door pins - No
Charge Light - Alternator - No
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer
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Tue, 28 June 2005 06:43
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thanks man that will help alot. but wouldn't the ECU want some of that info as well? like revs?
my original thought was the dash just piggybacked off the ecu. i am a little amazed that this doen't happen. oh well, will make the wireing a bit easyer i guess
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer
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Tue, 28 June 2005 06:44
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ECU get its revs from the pickup in the dizzy.
The tacho display is just for us.
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer
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Tue, 28 June 2005 06:47
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Another thought. so does the ecu only run to the motor? or is there power lines and things run separately. thanks for the help. i really should just go look for myself but i thought it would be quicker and more reliable here
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer
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Tue, 28 June 2005 06:59
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don't have any 1G's lol. people always seem to leave it out, dunno why. thanks man i will have a good read of them
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer
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Tue, 28 June 2005 07:58
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Seeing that the 1G wasn't released out of japan its hard to find english stuff for it...
And that MX73 diagram has the 1GGE ECU on the far right.
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer
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Wed, 29 June 2005 06:02
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well after ripping a bunch of crap off the car for other people the work actually started. it took me all of 15 mins to unwire the ECU, run all the plugs back through to the motor and take off the accelerator cables, there was 2??? i think the auto box keeps direct dibs on the throttle position. so i guess i just leave it out. Anyone want to give opinions on what i should remove before lifting the motor out? some of the stuff could stay on there no?
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer
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Wed, 29 June 2005 06:27
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Fuel lines, heater hoses, radiator hoses, remove a/c compressor from motor, leave lines on compressor, exhaust manifold, either at head or first join, earth straps.
etc etc etc.
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Wed, 29 June 2005 07:28
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yeah thats all pretty straight forward but should i remove things like the alternator, sterring pump and turbos??? i am ripping out the aircon compressor as my car doesn't have one so i will be breaking those hoses
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer
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Wed, 29 June 2005 09:03
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If the steering pump is the same on the 1ggte then leave it in the car
It will save you draining it.
Alternator stays on motor.
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer
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Fri, 01 July 2005 06:02
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well anyone following this i have now totally taken down (well pretty much) the GTE motor. most of the liquids is drained out and i am going to try to keep the original Power steering pump to save moving that. I drained the coolant and to my horror it was greeny/clear! i thought it needed red. oh well i guess we will change that.
The turbo pluming is what has me stuffed ATM. there seems to be water pipes that run from the turbo's to the outlet coolant pipe on the motor. and the two pipes at the bottom of the motor had red oil in them. i first thought that maybe it was for the auto trans, but then wouldn't one pipe need to come in from above? as far as i can tell these two pipes run to the turbos as well. so is there some sort of water/oil cooling thing happening?
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer
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Fri, 01 July 2005 06:17
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If the 1GGTE was originally coupled to an auto, then there will be 2 oil lines running from the autobox to the base of the radiator.
Only other red oil will be for the power steering.
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer
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Fri, 01 July 2005 06:48
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yeah it was my bad. i lost the lines around the power steering pump which is about where i picked up the turbo lines. its all sorted now. i wonder why they both come in at the bottom. it all seems a little weird to me. the turbo line comes off the coolant input and returns to the coolant output.
So about this coolant thing (i wanna run red instead of green) should i fill it with water first and run it for a while to clean it out properly?
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer
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Fri, 01 July 2005 06:54
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Just undo the drain cocks on the side of the block (near the base), could be one either side.
Then when you go to start the car, put 8L of distilled water in.
Run the motor for 15mins.
Then drain it completely, and refill with a 50/50 mix of distilled water and Toyota red.
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer
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Fri, 01 July 2005 07:22
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ok, thanks.
It begins tomorrow, Yay! hope to have the motor over and running in a few days. I will take pics if anyone is interested
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Central Coast, NSW
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February 2005
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer
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Fri, 01 July 2005 08:35
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Please do! 
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer
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Fri, 01 July 2005 08:57
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i do have one pic i found very interesting. sorry about the poor quality but i will post it anyway. this is the 1G-GEU motor in Left = GZ20 right = GZ10. I put it in a thumbnail to try and achieve proper formatting of the page.
I truly find this picture amazing as there seems to be heaps more room in my bay. i have no idea why because they look to be the same width of car. Notice thinks like the amount of piping on mine and the length of metal pipe (silver intake bit) but if it is all true i should have no problem whatsoever getting it to fit. YAY!
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer
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Fri, 01 July 2005 09:03
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Also that GZ10 has an early intake manifold, much wider.
Making the GZ10 bay look more cramped.
Swap the motors over and it will look amazing. (The difference I mean)
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer
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Fri, 01 July 2005 11:00
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do you mean swap the two GE motors or swap the GTE in and it will look good. So in your early intake comment, does this mean that the Z10 will have more room again?? man this is gonna be simple. i could nearly fit two in lol
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer
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Fri, 01 July 2005 11:07
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I was just commenting on the two GE motors.
You have the wider motor in the wider bay, and the narrower motor in the narrower bay, hence they look similar in size.
But if you put the wider motor in the narrower bay, and the narrower motor in the wider bay, there will be a huge difference.
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer
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Fri, 01 July 2005 11:19
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Yeah thats what i was getting at. the amount of room my motor wastes (i have the bigger bay right?) and yet there is still heaps of room in there. this TT is gonna look funny with all the extra room in there
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer
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Fri, 01 July 2005 12:05
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TT will look identical to
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer
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Fri, 01 July 2005 12:28
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gee thanks man. thats yours right? is the cressda the same as the Z10?
Its answered some other questions i was wondering too. like i see you lowered your power steering filler and stuff. Thanks that pic will help alot
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer
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Fri, 01 July 2005 12:34
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That Justcallmefranks 1GGTE in his GA61.
Its pretty much an identical bay to the GZ10
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer
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Sat, 02 July 2005 07:36
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well it was called a day at about 3:00 due to other commitments. The GEU is out and the GTE is still being worked out. The problem is that i can't undo the bolts to the starter motor because they are friggin hard to get to with a spanner. The same with the mounts, i got no idea how you are meant to fit crap in to undo it. So the thought is that i pull the box out with the motor and take if off out the car, as the car it is in has no drive shaft ect. It may reduce the oil slick too 
Anyway this is what the place looked like at around 1. And some more pics of the two cars and random stuff.
My house
GZ10
GZ20
1G-GEU
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer PICS
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Sat, 02 July 2005 11:57
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yes, those are the engine mounts i need
lookin good
brett
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer PICS
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Sat, 02 July 2005 12:38
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Sat, 02 July 2005 21:46 |
For the amount of effort dude, I'd just have removed the gearbox and diff as one Piece of cake.
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i think you meant gearbox and engine as one?
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer PICS
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Sat, 02 July 2005 14:19
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| thechuckster wrote on Sat, 02 July 2005 20:38 |
i think you meant gearbox and engine as one?
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You could be onto something 99. 
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer PICS
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Sat, 02 July 2005 14:36
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<agent 99 voice>
oh no.. max.. not the the "remove the gearbox and gearbox" trick
</voice>
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer PICS
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Sat, 02 July 2005 14:50
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I semi agree with JCMF... but you will manage
We used one of those sliding bars with a long thread, so we could move the weight of the engine around. Made life much easier. Would have been better to take the gearbox out too I think.
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer PICS
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Mon, 04 July 2005 00:30
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Ok well it is monday morning and i am very upset. it wasn't really just an easy swap although i am happy at how some things just fit.
The second motor was pulled out and the sumps ect were swaped. the whole clutch gear was swaped over and it was all looking good. Luckly we realised the the mounts also had to be swaped and it was noticed that they are different sizes.
but that was ok because the GE motor had the front ones so it swaped easy. although we were sure it was going to foul on the turbo oil pipe on the side of the motor. (this pipe has now made it near impossible to do the mount bolt up.
After ALOT of stuffing about we managed to get the clutch lined up and the gearbox bolted on. (this took a few hours and i was getting a little concerned if it ever will.
The rest of the time was spent trying to get the motor on the mounts, which still hasn't happend. The mount pins are all of about 1cm from the holes it just doesn't want to move that little extra bit. It is all very dampining. The intake seemed to be fouling on the clutch line and i noticed that the steering linkage is different on the 2 cars but is should miss that.
The thought is now to unbolt the mounts from the car (as there is two bolts holding them on) then bolting the pinsto the block mounts and hopfully it will then drop on them and the car mounts will just bolt on. Any ideas?
The current GZ10
The Current GZ20
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer PICS
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Mon, 04 July 2005 00:33
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I bolted my mounts to my engine then dropped it down, that said, it was still a PITA to get them lined up properly.
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer PICS
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Mon, 04 July 2005 00:44
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AS above.
I was with Frank when we put it in.
Leave the rubber mounts bolted to the steel half, but don't have the bolt up tight.
It was a lot of dicking around, and it didn't look like it would clear everything, but once you get it on the right angle it all lines up and clears everything.
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer PICS
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Mon, 04 July 2005 03:35
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yeah thanks guys. I really have the felling that it wouldn't work which makes me feel sick because if this doesn't fit, i am screwed because the old motor i am not going to stuff around to get it back in.
I am just really upset at the moment because of the mess of my front yard and it not going in. it would have really been nice to have it done within the weekend but the things happen i guess.
Anyway i am felling a little better knowing that after "dicking around" it will go in and fit snug. So its just a matter of time. The gearbox really pissed me off though because we couldn't get that in so maybe i will take a couple of days off. as i am cut all over and have huge bruises on my arm literally the width of it (i can take a pic if anyone wants to see  )
Anyway thanks for all the help and i hope that in a few days i can post that the bitch is in.
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer PICS
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Thu, 07 July 2005 03:08
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cuts and bruises...
welcome to the world of engine conversions
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer PICS
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Thu, 07 July 2005 06:58
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yeah i still got the fat one on my arm. it is hanging around. Well since i am here a bit of an update. very little to nothing has happened. we dropped the old motor in front of the garage door with the z10 in it, so without a hoist (which i borrow off my neighbor) i can't even open to garage door to my car.
The z20 is chillin in the other garage and is easily accessible but there isn't really much i can do on it. i thought of ripping more stuff off but i feel it would be berst to do one thing at a time as i will most probably forget where things go.
I dummyed up most of the pipes and it looks as if it will all fit without any real modification. one question i do have is i run the full touch panel climate control, which re routs vacuum everywhere. this is bad to be using when boosting no? do i need a special one way valve or something for these lines or can i run it off the break booster one because that needs to be vacuum as well doesn't it?
Other then that there really isn't much happening, i hit the clutch and it felt really soft but the slave cylinder is hanging and hasn't been bolted back on the gearbox yet so thats explains that. Anyway Saturday is looking like the day. from the progress that has been had on it it really should be bolted in quite early, even if it is hard to do, and i can spend the rest of the weekend wiring it up.
I just hope there isn't something that needs to be put on when the motor is out because i never want to pull this thing out again. but all that will be left is the earthing (which could really go on anywhere) and the IC and exhaust piping.
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer PICS
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Thu, 07 July 2005 11:31
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PICS PICS PICS
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer PICS
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Fri, 08 July 2005 06:15
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have you changed the water pump and front and rear main seals etc?
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer PICS
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Sat, 09 July 2005 03:38
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well as an update. I have the thing bolted down on the mounts (nothing a screwdriver and hammer couldn't fix lol) and am just going through and putting everything back on and tightening bolts. Which is a bitch. i can only get the spanner in and move most bolts about a 1/3 of a turn each time. its gonna take a while.
And like it was stated. this thing was hitting everything and i thought "man like fun this fits" but now it is in, it is miles away from anything.
Also should i be concerned about vacuum lines when i boost. is +ve pressure bad for them?
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer PICS
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Mon, 11 July 2005 06:49
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Well. The neither exhaust will fit (i have the pipe before the cat on nice its just the rest) and i can't fit the wires for the ECU through the hole. it has to go through the firewall take a left then right then out.
Well thats really the only problem. I can't get the blower out so i can't get the wires through. So i may try some professional help if anyone know if they could do this or even anyone that can do it.
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer PICS
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Mon, 11 July 2005 07:16
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Just feed a bit of fencing wire through the hole and use that to pull the plugs through! Wrap them all up tight in electrical tape too, makes it easier again.
Don't be a wuss about it
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer PICS
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Mon, 11 July 2005 08:13
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yeah yeah. i have just had enough for one day. maybe tomorrow i will feel more like it. it has really just been one thing after another
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Location:
Pine Rivers QLD
Registered:
April 2005
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Re: 1G-GTE conversion into a Z10 soarer PICS
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Mon, 18 July 2005 10:44
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well another update although i am unsure if people are still reading this. the wires are through and stuff, it just had to be done the right way, it also helps to have two people helping. i am thinking in still getting it wired professionally but i am unsure.
I wired what i thought needed to be powered at the "main relay" plug and when i tried to turn it over i could smell a little bit of fuel. so i thought the injectors should be firing and the fuel smell is coming from the dump (as it has no exhaust atm). But yeah, i am still unsure what goes where with respect to tacho and stuff. fair enough i can find it from the motor but where it should go to the dash i am unsure.
anyway here are some more pics if people like them
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