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I Supported Toymods
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FWD 4AGE sucks!!!
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Wed, 29 June 2005 08:40
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im sick and tired of this stupid motor. all i want to do is adjust my timing belt tension but its so bloody troublesome. first its so tight to remove the cover bolts, then cover wouldnt come off because various pulleys and belts are in the way, alternator pulley, air cond, pwr steering, crank pulley (?) and maybe more. also cover doesnt come off the top coz bloody engine mount in the way.
now am i the only one who is so sick of this???
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Toronto, Downtown
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September 2004
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Re: FWD 4AGE sucks!!!
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Wed, 29 June 2005 09:09
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you think you have it bad try putting the dizzy back into a aw11 and ligned up correctly. its at the front of the engine bay (the cabin side) and you have to lean over the side of the car you cant see sh*t.
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cambo
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May 2002
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Re: FWD 4AGE sucks!!!
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Wed, 29 June 2005 10:58
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man quit your whinging there are much harder cars to work on. besides, you shouldnt need to adjust the cam belt unless it was done incorrectly the first time which would be just stupid.
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sydney
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March 2004
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Re: FWD 4AGE sucks!!!
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Wed, 29 June 2005 11:07
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| b1gb3n wrote on Wed, 29 June 2005 18:40 |
im sick and tired of this stupid motor. all i want to do is adjust my timing belt tension but its so bloody troublesome. first its so tight to remove the cover bolts, then cover wouldnt come off because various pulleys and belts are in the way, alternator pulley, air cond, pwr steering, crank pulley (?) and maybe more. also cover doesnt come off the top coz bloody engine mount in the way.
now am i the only one who is so sick of this???
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do 4age have a little cover just infront of the t/belt tensioner bolt on the timing cover?
i know some cars have this gives access to loosen the bolt, let the spring adjust/tightens the belt and you just lock it up. takes only few minute
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sydney
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March 2004
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Re: FWD 4AGE sucks!!!
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Wed, 29 June 2005 11:15
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| EVOSTi wrote on Wed, 29 June 2005 20:58 |
man quit your whinging there are much harder cars to work on. besides, you shouldnt need to adjust the cam belt unless it was done incorrectly the first time which would be just stupid.
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belts can get worn and stretch when old, im thinking maybe bad enough to jump a teeth. although it should be replaced by then, might be able to get away with it for a while by tightening up before you actually change it
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May 2002
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Re: FWD 4AGE sucks!!!
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Wed, 29 June 2005 11:16
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You should only have to support the engine by putting a jack under the sump, remove the RH mount and remove the two top covers... Not too hard at all...
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Rosanna, Melb
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June 2002
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I supported Toymods
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Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: FWD 4AGE sucks!!!
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Wed, 29 June 2005 13:47
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You should only have to support the engine by putting a jack under the sump,
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Shit, I'm not sure I'd be comfortable with that! Won't the jack ding the sump at best, rip through it at worst?
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I Supported Toymods
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south Melbourne/KL
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June 2004
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Re: FWD 4AGE sucks!!!
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Wed, 29 June 2005 14:35
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isnt the engine mount below the middle of the 2 cam gears stuck to the engine?? the lower thick one, not the top thin one.
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Re: FWD 4AGE sucks!!!
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Wed, 29 June 2005 22:57
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Shit, I'm not sure I'd be comfortable with that! Won't the jack ding the sump at best, rip through it at worst?
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Common sense would tell you to put something like a bit of wood between the jack and the sump to distribute the load more evenly and not damage your sump 
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Adelaide
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December 2004
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Re: FWD 4AGE sucks!!!
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Thu, 30 June 2005 00:10
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you dont need to drop the engine mount to remove the cam cover (you will need to to replace the timing belt however but from what I gather you just want to tighten the tensioner).
The top cover has 5 bolts in it - not the 4 that you have probably removed.
You will need to remove the crank pulley and possibly a belt tensioner or two to get to the remaining covers and tensioner pulley.
Personally I wouldnt bother putting the covers back on after that little operation.
While you have the covers off check the condition of the timing belt and change it if you need to.
A decent trolley jack with some padding on the part that makes contact shouldnt damage your sump.
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I Supported Toymods
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south Melbourne/KL
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Re: FWD 4AGE sucks!!!
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Thu, 30 June 2005 03:26
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| Starfire wrote on Thu, 30 June 2005 10:10 |
you dont need to drop the engine mount to remove the cam cover (you will need to to replace the timing belt however but from what I gather you just want to tighten the tensioner).
The top cover has 5 bolts in it - not the 4 that you have probably removed.
You will need to remove the crank pulley and possibly a belt tensioner or two to get to the remaining covers and tensioner pulley.
Personally I wouldnt bother putting the covers back on after that little operation.
While you have the covers off check the condition of the timing belt and change it if you need to.
A decent trolley jack with some padding on the part that makes contact shouldnt damage your sump.
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the cover im talking about is the one below the top one. possibly the middle one, not sure if there are 2 or 3 covers there.
after realising all the trouble i will be changing the belt. actually, i think i'll just send my car in for the belt change. anybody know how much it would cost??
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cambo
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May 2002
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Re: FWD 4AGE sucks!!!
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Thu, 30 June 2005 05:38
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$100
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Location:
Melbourne
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May 2004
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Re: FWD 4AGE sucks!!!
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Thu, 30 June 2005 06:13
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Ben you have summed everything up in the title of the add!
I did some timing belt and cam gear shit on a fwd gze and yes its a bitch to do anything
Jezza
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Outer Sth East burbs, VIC
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July 2004
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Re: FWD 4AGE sucks!!!
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Thu, 30 June 2005 06:22
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I was there when jezza was doin the fwd gze one and it was definately a bitch.
Maybe you should get a 4ac powered 86, i did my timing belt in no time on monday. 
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Melbourne
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May 2002
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Re: FWD 4AGE sucks!!!
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Thu, 30 June 2005 08:49
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| StockAE86 wrote on Thu, 30 June 2005 16:22 |
I was there when jezza was doin the fwd gze one and it was definately a bitch.
Maybe you should get a 4ac powered 86, i did my timing belt in no time on monday.
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You were there when it was sitting on the engine stand and it was a bitch then!
We had to redo the cam timing, probably jumped a tooth (cause we double checked it when we did it) or some shit, with the engine in the bay... 
Well... jezza did it, i just watched and provided food and tools...
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Outer Sth East burbs, VIC
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July 2004
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Re: FWD 4AGE sucks!!!
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Thu, 30 June 2005 12:18
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| inertia wrote on Thu, 30 June 2005 18:49 |
| StockAE86 wrote on Thu, 30 June 2005 16:22 |
I was there when jezza was doin the fwd gze one and it was definately a bitch.
Maybe you should get a 4ac powered 86, i did my timing belt in no time on monday.
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You were there when it was sitting on the engine stand and it was a bitch then!
We had to redo the cam timing, probably jumped a tooth (cause we double checked it when we did it) or some shit, with the engine in the bay...
Well... jezza did it, i just watched and provided food and tools...
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Yer, after I wrote it i realised i wasnt there the 2nd time.
I do believe the first time i was lying under your car putting an efi tank in while you guys did the timing belt.
Cheers
Shtock
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I Supported Toymods
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Re: FWD 4AGE sucks!!!
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Thu, 30 June 2005 13:03
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when i encountered problem with mine i called inertia and he told me how all u guys were there pulling his engine up coz somebody missed a tooth on the cam gear
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Sunny Coast
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March 2005
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Re: FWD 4AGE sucks!!!
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Thu, 30 June 2005 13:11
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Here's ya problem, its FWD.
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I supported Toymods
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Re: FWD 4AGE sucks!!!
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Thu, 30 June 2005 15:25
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Common sense would tell you to put something like a bit of wood between the jack and the sump to distribute the load more evenly and not damage your sump
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Yeah, good one Einstein.
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Re: FWD 4AGE sucks!!!
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Thu, 30 June 2005 20:46
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| Julz wrote on Wed, 29 June 2005 23:47 |
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You should only have to support the engine by putting a jack under the sump,
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Shit, I'm not sure I'd be comfortable with that! Won't the jack ding the sump at best, rip through it at worst?
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Really depends on what kind of jack you're using... My work jacks have quite a large base and it's almost flat so it won't damage the sump at all... The jack does not support the entire engines weight, only supports it as not to stretch the other mounts more than they usually travel...
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cambo
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May 2002
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Re: FWD 4AGE sucks!!!
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Fri, 01 July 2005 00:21
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i put just your regular workshop jack under the sump. of the many many cars ive done that too (including some bigger motors ie V8s) ive never damaged a sump. ive even jacked up engine with all the mounts in place just to tilt the gearbox down, no troubles.
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Re: FWD 4AGE sucks!!!
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Fri, 01 July 2005 00:46
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Common sense would tell you to put something like a bit of wood between the jack and the sump to distribute the load more evenly and not damage your sump
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Yeah, good one Einstein.
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What's that supposed to mean? Your sump is not made of f$%ken paper mache mate. If you use one of those pointy arse scissor jacks to support it yes you may damage it with a dent (key word is support, it is not holding the entire weight of your engine ). I was simply offering some simple advice to obvisouly a simple person regarding your original comment/question about damaging your sump with a jack. I assume some knowledge/common sense and did not include such info as the size and shape of the timber to use, I assume you would not try to use a branch snapped off a tree, but instead would use an off cut of soft pine around the size of the base of your sump and about 20mm thick.
As others have now pointed out, they were referring to the use of jacks that have a large support area, which at worst may scratch the paint on your sump (some soft cloth between the jack and sump could prevent this too, but you are uber smart and would already know this  ).
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i put just your regular workshop jack under the sump. of the many many cars ive done that too (including some bigger motors ie V8s) ive never damaged a sump. ive even jacked up engine with all the mounts in place just to tilt the gearbox down, no troubles.
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Really depends on what kind of jack you're using... My work jacks have quite a large base and it's almost flat so it won't damage the sump at all... The jack does not support the entire engines weight, only supports it as not to stretch the other mounts more than they usually travel...
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Some more advice here too, why don't you have a go at them as well.
If you don't understand the concept I offered for avoiding damage to your sump while supporting it with a jack you my friend are the one who is far from being of the intellect of Einstein.
NB: no wonder a lot of people are beginning to not bother offering advice any more when some no brain f$%ktard just has a go at you
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Sydney
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August 2004
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Re: FWD 4AGE sucks!!!
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Fri, 01 July 2005 01:36
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yeah that's totalling un-necessary to have a go at someone offering advice, but having said that, the advice could've been offered with a more neutral tone....
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Somewhere on a dirt bowl ...
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August 2004
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Re: FWD 4AGE sucks!!!
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Fri, 01 July 2005 09:17
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Ok we know the fun and games of doing the timing belt. What pulling the head to do a head gasket...... The amount of crap that has to come off before a damn head bolt gets touched gets beyond a joke.
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cambo
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May 2002
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Re: FWD 4AGE sucks!!!
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Sat, 02 July 2005 00:41
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toyotas are some of the easiest cars you can work on. you guys would really cry if you had to work on something a little more difficult.
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Re: FWD 4AGE sucks!!!
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Sat, 02 July 2005 05:20
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True, true. My old ke30 rolla was a dream to work on. I could swap its head for another one and be back on the road again in under an hour. About the only hard thing i found was a ball joint that needed to be attacked by a oxy torch.
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