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KE55 engine conversion
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Sun, 03 July 2005 09:13
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hay guys just got a nice ke55 rolla 5 speed...got some money 2 spend and wanna no wats a nice 4 cyl engine conversion i was thinking mabe 4age..they seem pretty common... ny sugestions?? help would be appreceated....
cheers matty
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Devonport Tasmania
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June 2004
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Re: KE55 engine conversion
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Sun, 03 July 2005 09:26
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2tg is an easy drop in.
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Re: KE55 engine conversion
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Sun, 03 July 2005 09:33
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i considerd that but i heasrd they are hard 2 come by!! and ny idea if it would bolt on 2 the 5 spd in it?
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Devonport Tasmania
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June 2004
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Re: KE55 engine conversion
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Sun, 03 July 2005 09:37
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2tg's are about as easy to find as a good quality 4age i reckon.
but 2tg is old school so it suits better.
nothing will bolt up to your std 5 speed but a K series engine.
You could try to find a 7k or 5k.
Drop in and bigger engine.
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Re: KE55 engine conversion
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Sun, 03 July 2005 09:39
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id rather a carby engine so i dont have 2 worry bout wiring looms n computers things but id eventually want to apply a forces induction so.......4agze 3sgte 2jzgte(dreaming)
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Devonport Tasmania
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June 2004
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Re: KE55 engine conversion
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Sun, 03 July 2005 09:47
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2tg is carbied.
a 4ag and carbies requires a small electronics box for the dizzy timing, and then an expensive manifold for the carbs.
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Eastern Melbourne
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January 2005
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Re: KE55 engine conversion
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Sun, 03 July 2005 09:56
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Almost anything you put in will make it more fun than a stock 4k!
it all depends on how much you want to spend, what you can do yourself, and what exactly you want from the car.
the reason 4AGEs are so popular is that they are a strong and powerful engine for a stock 1.6, they rev like hell,they are cheap and pretty easy to find (in FWD form but easy to change.)
remember that if you choose a 4age or a 2tg you'll need to convert it to hydraulic clutch, which isnt that hard but something to keep in mind 
Also, dont think that you have to get rid of the 4K to get power...if you throw a bit of money and or sweat at a k motor, you could be surprised how much power,people on here are getting from k motors.
this site inspires me to do up a k motor!
http://www.superjamie.net/ke25/
Phoenix, does a 2TG really slot in that easy? i wouldnt mind doing that conversion myself!
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Re: KE55 engine conversion
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Sun, 03 July 2005 09:58
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seems my options are 2tg or 18rg wat would ur choice be i no the 18rg came out in the old celicas bat wat did the 2tgs come in???wats easier 2 mod??
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Eastern Melbourne
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January 2005
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Re: KE55 engine conversion
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Sun, 03 July 2005 10:01
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what sort of power are you trying to make?
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Re: KE55 engine conversion
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Sun, 03 July 2005 10:05
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well i want the wheels 2 spin but im not just another hoon....i understand that toyota motors are great ive been a toyota boy my whole life and i want rb or sr blood
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Eastern Melbourne
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January 2005
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Re: KE55 engine conversion
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Sun, 03 July 2005 10:13
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..In that case, all you need to do is go buy a 4K for about $200 at the wreckers, buy a 3k head while youre there, drop it off at an engine building shop, tell them to port the head, get a bigger cam, a better carb, like one off an 18RG, or the twin carb set up from an old school sprinter, the 18rg one is the same bolt pattern. lighten the flywheel, prolly a tougher clutch too,and youre cooking.
on the way home, buy all the diffs you can find, it will eat them for every meal.
i think this will be a more cost effective way of getting the car to do what you want, than doing a conversion.
on the other hand...if you want more than about 110 RWHP, you would do better to get a 4age or t motor, i wouldnt bother with an 18RG.
[Updated on: Sun, 03 July 2005 10:16]
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Re: KE55 engine conversion
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Sun, 03 July 2005 10:27
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so a 4k would avoid engine mounting and gearbox mounting problems
but then would modding the engine be harder?? and celica or supra 5 speed?? and would difffs be thatmuch of a problemm even with a nice r31 silhouettre lsd ???
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Devonport Tasmania
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June 2004
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Re: KE55 engine conversion
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Sun, 03 July 2005 10:29
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2tg are a very easy conversion.
The japanese version of the ke30-ke55 had 2tg's from the factory.
U need to convert to hydraulic clutch.
u can use the std engine mounts and ta22 engine rubbers.
Ta22 5 speed gearbox, all u do is turn the crossmember around 180 degrees.
and you may need to get the tailshaft shortened and modified to fit.
Also this isnt the perfect way as the engine isnt quite centre in the car, but it works.
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Re: KE55 engine conversion
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Sun, 03 July 2005 10:40
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ive been researching this for a wile....since b4 i got the car and i see so many 4age and 4agze than ny others why???
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Eastern Melbourne
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January 2005
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Sun, 03 July 2005 10:51
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yeah an r31 diff would be good, you would need to do atleast something like welding a stock diff, or it would bust everytime you do a hard launch.
ive seen a stock, poorly running 3k break, a ke30 diff, and i busted the uni joint taking off in a mates ke30.
retaining a k motor would be the cheapest and easiest option, and it is possible to get power from them, but like i said, you need to think of..
1.what will you use the car for?
2.how much money do you want to spend on it?
3.what power figure are you looking for?
4.what will break with this sort of power going through it?
if you dont plan it properly, you'll end up with a ghetto ride that costs heaps.
i am doing up my KE35 coup, and i will be going with a 4age, after considering all these things, i decided that, in stock form it will go about as hard as a 2tg, but it will be lighter (i think) and cheaper to run, plus a 4AGE has alot more modification options, than a k or t motor.
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Eastern Melbourne
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January 2005
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Re: KE55 engine conversion
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Sun, 03 July 2005 11:14
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The popularity of 4AGE's is because they are so tough! and they are pretty easy to come by, cheap too, they are fuel injected, they make good power, rev like a rotary, respond well to N/A mods, go really well with a turbo, T50 gearboxes out of celicas bolt to them, they are light, and pretty easy to fit.
a lot of people will tell you to fit a 2TG, for old school cool, but having owned both 2TG, and 4AGE powered cars i can tell you now, if you want to keep modding it in the future,
and you dont care about keeping it classic, then the best bang for your buck is by far a 4AGE or even a GZE.
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Bottom of the hill, Sydney
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April 2004
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Re: KE55 engine conversion
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Sun, 03 July 2005 11:28
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| frontspinner wrote on Sun, 03 July 2005 21:14 |
The popularity of 4AGE's is because they are so tough! and they are pretty easy to come by, cheap too, they are fuel injected, they make good power, rev like a rotary, respond well to N/A mods, go really well with a turbo, T50 gearboxes out of celicas bolt to them, they are light, and pretty easy to fit.
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T50's out of celicas don't bolt to 4age's without swapping the bellhousing. They also suffer from leaking front seals when bolted to 4age's. Ask Demuire on these forums, he knows all about it.
You need to use a T50 from an AE86 or AE71.
Have a look at the link to my KE30 in my sig as I'm currently fitting a 4age to it.
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Re: KE55 engine conversion
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Sun, 03 July 2005 13:49
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 i think ill probly go with 4age but after seeing the dramas with converting my bros car from auto 2 manual i no for a fact there willl be manny dramas........ that site is ace and please keep updating it so i no wats gonna go wronglllooolll....a custom tailshaft will obviously be in order but how did u do the engine mounts?? and wat did u do bout wiring and mounting the computer???
have u started it yet?
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January 2005
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Re: KE55 engine conversion
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Sun, 03 July 2005 15:32
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Thanks brad! my mistake!
i am still in the parts collection stage of my build, i have collected, a ke35, a TVIS 4AGE, and the mounts, but haven't started doing the conversion yet.
I was lucky enough to find a set of engine mounts for sale on here, they cost me 200 bucks, with rubbers.
you should keep an eye out, in the parts for sale section, they pop up from time to time.
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Re: KE55 engine conversion
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Mon, 04 July 2005 01:05
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ive been looking on the parts fourum and i searched "4age gearbox" and came across a few rwd engine and gearbox packages.....mostly out of sprinters.... would this be a good buy...then all ill need is to find engine mounts and to customise the cross member, tailshaft and a desent lsd....
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January 2005
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Re: KE55 engine conversion
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Mon, 04 July 2005 02:51
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i would steer clear of second hand sprinter gear unless you know its history....we all know what kind of lives poor old sprinters lead these days!
and dont forget you'll need to get a clutch set up, ie master and slave cylinders, lines etc.
i think most people use TA22 items, but do a search on here you should be able to find a thread on this.
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Bottom of the hill, Sydney
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April 2004
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Re: KE55 engine conversion
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Mon, 04 July 2005 09:55
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| matthewtrad_trad wrote on Sun, 03 July 2005 23:49 |
i think ill probly go with 4age but after seeing the dramas with converting my bros car from auto 2 manual i no for a fact there willl be manny dramas........ that site is ace and please keep updating it so i no wats gonna go wronglllooolll....a custom tailshaft will obviously be in order but how did u do the engine mounts?? and wat did u do bout wiring and mounting the computer???
have u started it yet?
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The car is as you see it on my site.
I'm getting my brother in law to make the engine mounts for me. I'm planning on using ford escort engine mount rubbers on the standard cross member mounts and making custom mounts from the rubbers to the block.
I got a TA22 diff that was already modified to fit the KE30 and a TA22 tailshaft with a sprinter yoke already fitted. The tailshaft needs to be shortened.
I'm an auto elec so the wiring wont be an issue.
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ive been looking on the parts fourum and i searched "4age gearbox" and came across a few rwd engine and gearbox packages.....mostly out of sprinters.... would this be a good buy...then all ill need is to find engine mounts and to customise the cross member, tailshaft and a desent lsd....
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Most of the rwd 4age "packages" you will find will be out of sprinters. As frontspinner said if you know it's history then you should be pretty safe. Get the sprinter gearbox mount with the gearbox if you can as this will bolt straight to the KE55 gearbox crossmember.
As for a hydraulic clutch setup, most people use a TA22 setup. You can also use a setup out of an AE71 corolla or AE86 sprinter.
Sorry for the essay  .
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