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pop-rivets are they really effective?
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Wed, 13 July 2005 02:25
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In Drift battle issue no 05, Hibinos car has rivets everywhere, does this really reinforce the chassie? 
Wouldent it make more sense to plug or spot weld the chassie?
or do you really need any of this(besides a cage)>
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Re: pop-rivets are they really effective?
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Wed, 13 July 2005 02:37
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Sure pop rivets are effective - ask anyone who drives a Land Rover 
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Re: pop-rivets are they really effective?
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Wed, 13 July 2005 02:45
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they're effective probably because they're so quick to put on, if something breaks off while drifting it can simply be rivetted back on there
Dan
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I supported Toymods
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Re: pop-rivets are they really effective?
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Wed, 13 July 2005 02:51
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do a thread topic search for seam rivetting, if it doesnt give you any useful info it should give you a laugh.
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Re: pop-rivets are they really effective?
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Wed, 13 July 2005 03:29
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| bubbles wrote on Wed, 13 July 2005 12:25 |
In Drift battle issue no 05
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cos it's in dorifto battle, it must be true  ...
quite a lot of the dorifto crap is just for looks.. afterall, it is about style, not substance..
the wings? air dams etc... cars are not going fast enough to have effective downforce, and going sideways drastically reduces any effect they may have....
but all the cars have wings and fully sik aero bits.... why???
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Re: pop-rivets are they really effective?
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Wed, 13 July 2005 03:29
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this has been covered to death  , doh
one last question.
If I plug weld(not on the spot weld, but in the middle of 2 spot welds, drill a holl, mig it in a way that fills the hole up and expands in a way that theres the same amout of penetration on the inside has there is on the outside) wouldent this improve the regidity of the chassie?
I have a felling that it wont.
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Re: pop-rivets are they really effective?
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Mon, 18 July 2005 06:54
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Found this in clu4ag.com by Moto.P.
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It would require: A heavy duty cycle welding machine as it will need a long duration of repeated triggering and welding.
Step 1: remove all interior trim, wire harness, and plastic item which may get damaged with high voltage, and extreme temperatures of melting metal. This is pretty much 'everything' in your interior down to metal floors, dashboards and stripping paint in locations the need welding.
Step 2:
For locations that have to be reinforced through two layers of metal sheets...that's 99% of an AE86 unibody structure. You need to drill holes through one layer for maximum contact and be filled (much resembling appearance and function of riveting)
Step 3:
Welding up these 500~1000 location spots along the body, Functional and Structural analysis should be made to selectively weld and sometimes reinforce the locations where rigidity is needed... That's basically the entire car too... Keiichi's car has 1700 spots and 22 points of structural reinforcements (OK DONT ASK ME WHERE...That would be a book to write...and I would cover some of these in the next article I am preparing along with the recent plans to redo this to my car.)
So yes, if this task seems daunting to you, a professional would gladly (maybe) do this for you... That's about a full week of professional tuner's time...and it is by no means cheap to do properly paying for this by the hour...
In addition, the resulting body will drastically change in structural rigidity that alignment for suspension and spring and valving rates must all be modified to reflect on this and take advantage. It will feel though, better than when it rolled off the factory when it's all said and done.
Or is this better to leave it up to a professional? Is there a local place in Torrance you would recommend? And approximate price range... Yes, it's always better to leave it to a professional if you can't do this properly on your own. Substandard jobs in this area will result in a tweaked car with not many improvements and sometimes for the worse...
Figure on about 40-60 hours of work by a professional to do this correctly and extensively. Multiply that number by whatever your shop will charge by the hour.
Third this is for any person in the forum... does you knowing a place that would weld a stock header in Torrance.
Almost any muffler shops who do custom jobs or projects will fix that extractor header for you... And it would just make it that much cheaper if you can remove it and take it to him so he can work on it immediately.
Spot welding.
I did it on my Eng bay, both door opning, and rear hatch opening.
It will takes time and effort. There is a lot of prep(removing Interior, removing under coating/seal/some paint, removing engine/trans)
If you don't know how to weld, I do not recommend this.
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Re: pop-rivets are they really effective?
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Sat, 20 August 2005 07:41
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| bubbles wrote on Wed, 13 July 2005 12:25 |
In Drift battle issue no 05, Hibinos car has rivets everywhere, does this really reinforce the chassie?
Wouldent it make more sense to plug or spot weld the chassie?
or do you really need any of this(besides a cage)>
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I supported Toymods
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Re: pop-rivets are they really effective?
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Sat, 20 August 2005 08:06
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Re: pop-rivets are they really effective?
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Sat, 20 August 2005 08:39
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i used to go out with bubbles until he turned me into the fully sic drifto battle chick.now im just a strong women hear me roar!
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Re: pop-rivets are they really effective?
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Sat, 20 August 2005 13:46
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for gods sake...its spelt chassis, not chassie
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Re: pop-rivets are they really effective?
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Tue, 23 August 2005 12:08
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I was thinkin of seam welding some areas in my car. My friend who's a full time welder think the best thing to do would be to strip back interia paint ect. and just do sections at a time, say 30cm long. Just so you dont stress n stretch the body too much, even jsut having too much heat on one side can worp the car nicely. Anyone on here a good welder ? give us your input on the idea!
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Re: pop-rivets are they really effective?
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Tue, 23 August 2005 12:25
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| Wezelton wrote on Tue, 23 August 2005 21:38 |
I was thinkin of seam welding some areas in my car. My friend who's a full time welder think the best thing to do would be to strip back interia paint ect. and just do sections at a time, say 30cm long. Just so you dont stress n stretch the body too much, even jsut having too much heat on one side can worp the car nicely. Anyone on here a good welder ? give us your input on the idea!
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jesus, 30cm long? thats way too much, 25mm is what i was told, then leave a 25mm gap, then go again. And the person who said this is georgeos, a bloke who used to prepare the stanzas for portugese datsun rally team, this is something that should not be done without hours of research and then hundreds upon hundreds of hours on the job itself. Infact i would say you should not do it. All this work then youre just going to hoegey it into the first tyre wall you see anyway.
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Re: pop-rivets are they really effective?
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Tue, 23 August 2005 13:30
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| rollin_stock wrote on Tue, 23 August 2005 22:25 |
All this work then youre just going to hoegey it into the first tyre wall you see anyway.
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Re: pop-rivets are they really effective?
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Wed, 24 August 2005 04:41
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I meant to say 30mm  Was just typing too fast and heavily involved in msn lol Maybe i'll ask an engineering place n see what they have to say about it..
Wes.
Anyone recon pop rivets are the go ? haha would look funny
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Re: pop-rivets are they really effective?
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Wed, 24 August 2005 06:15
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like this??
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Re: pop-rivets are they really effective?
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Wed, 24 August 2005 06:29
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its performance would be riverting!lmao
mick
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Re: pop-rivets are they really effective?
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Wed, 24 August 2005 06:31
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| kingmick wrote on Wed, 24 August 2005 16:29 |
its performance would be riverting!lmao
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bwhahhahaahaha lamest joke evah, oldcorollas you've really got mileage out of that chop haven't you.
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Re: pop-rivets are they really effective?
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Wed, 24 August 2005 06:45
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meh, only second time posted.. i like it tho 
i forgot to do the windscreen speed holes tho...
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