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Re: I can hear my starter solenoid, but it doesn't kick
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Wed, 13 July 2005 23:12
 
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Can you attach a good size bit of wire to the positive of the battery and then touch the other end to the starter solenoid?
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Re: I can hear my starter solenoid, but it doesn't kick
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Wed, 13 July 2005 23:21
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This one goes from my battery in the frunk, directly to the post on the starter that the alternator etc join to.
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Wed, 13 July 2005 23:27
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Hey bro i had the same thing happen with my car it still sometimes doesnt start, do you have a starter relay cause if you dont like me it will do that, you can try hitting the solenoid while another person trys to start it that works for me, but yea check if you have a starter relay 
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Re: I can hear my starter solenoid, but it doesn't kick
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Wed, 13 July 2005 23:32
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What I want you to do Dave is apply a good reliable source of +v to the starter solenoid. This will prove something.
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Re: I can hear my starter solenoid, but it doesn't kick
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Wed, 13 July 2005 23:55
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Just so I'm sure, the starter solenoid is inside the starter, right? And the only connections on a starter are a positive and negative.
Below is how my modified circuitry works, I hope.
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Re: I can hear my starter solenoid, but it doesn't kick
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Thu, 14 July 2005 00:02
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Just my opinion here Dave, but if I hear the starter solenoid click when I turn the key, the first thing I think of is a flat battery. Have you tried another battery or power source? Do you get interior lights?
Let us know how it goes mate, I'd like to see it finished.  Is it still in the Shire or has it moved?
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Re: I can hear my starter solenoid, but it doesn't kick
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Thu, 14 July 2005 00:05
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Brand spanking new sealed higher CCA (360) battery, bought yesterday. Get's 12.45 Volts accross the terminals.
It's not the battery pictured above.
Yep, still in the shire. Hopefully will be giving it a blast soon, I'll let you know 
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Re: I can hear my starter solenoid, but it doesn't kick
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Thu, 14 July 2005 00:07
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The solenoid is on the side of the starter.
There will be one big fat cable from the starter going directly to the positive terminal on the battery. There will be then another smaller wire which is the "start" wire. If possible remove this smaller wire and apply +V to the now vacant terminal on the starter. This will hopefully make the engine turn over.
The ground connection for the starter is made through the engine block. So also make sure your engine have some good earth cables going to it.
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Re: I can hear my starter solenoid, but it doesn't kick
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Thu, 14 July 2005 01:21
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I think you might have found the winner there Shane.
It makes sense that I can hear the solenoid click when it gets power, but there's no earth to power the sucker.
I do have a big cable from the gearbox to the strut tower though.
I'll head over now and just strap a crap load more earth straps to it and see how I go.
Thanks!
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Re: I can hear my starter solenoid, but it doesn't kick
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Thu, 14 July 2005 01:52
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If you get stuck, give me a call and i'll see if I can talk you through some shit. 0414386575
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Re: I can hear my starter solenoid, but it doesn't kick
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Thu, 14 July 2005 02:04
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Thanks heaps.
I'm heading over to work on it now. I'd love to hear it fire up today!
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Re: I can hear my starter solenoid, but it doesn't kick
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Thu, 14 July 2005 02:28
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Are you using a starter relay like in the diagram?
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Re: I can hear my starter solenoid, but it doesn't kick
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Thu, 14 July 2005 03:17
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Sure do.
I've intercepted the wire that comes from the E(starter) connector on the 3SGTE loom and wired it to Pin 4 on the AW11 M2 connector. Ran a wire directly from the battery in the frunk to the post where the D(starter) connector hooks up. And wired the D(starter) connector on the 3SGTE loom to Pin 1 on the AW11 M2 connector.
I'm here with the car now and it all seems cool bananas.
The starter is getting 12.38 volts from the battery (tested from the post where it's hooked up to a ground point). I'm using welding cable, so I think it should be fine over the 3 metres of cable.
I've ran a test over a few points on the engine (including some bolts on the starter) and they all have continuity to earth.
*shrug* I've got NFI
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Re: I can hear my starter solenoid, but it doesn't kick
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Thu, 14 July 2005 03:22
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Keep the voltmeter on the starter where you read 12.4x volts
Then get someone to turn the key.
Does it drop?
If so, you have shite earths.
When I put my battery in the boot, I had 2 4gauge earths from the -ve terminal to the body, and 2 4gauge earths from the block to the chassis.
Also, welding cable is not the best product to use.
It can have very high resistance.
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Re: I can hear my starter solenoid, but it doesn't kick
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Thu, 14 July 2005 05:10
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Thanks heaps for all of the advice fellas!!!!
It ended up being the starter was rooted. I pulled it off and took it around the corner and had an auto electrician put it on the test bench. He's going to pull it apart this arvo and try and fix it, so hopefully I'll fire up the beast after that.
Very nice cressy out the front of the electrics place too, I'll have to ask him what's in it. None of the cars were standard in the place, so I'm guessing it will be something decent.
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Re: I can hear my starter solenoid, but it doesn't kick
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Thu, 14 July 2005 05:12
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Keep the voltmeter on the starter where you read 12.4x volts
Then get someone to turn the key.
Does it drop?
If so, you have shite earths.
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It went from 12.38 down to 11.5 - is that ok?
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Re: (Fixed) I can hear my starter solenoid, but it doesn't kick
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Thu, 14 July 2005 05:19
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11.5 should be acceptable yes.
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Re: (Fixed) I can hear my starter solenoid, but it doesn't kick
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Thu, 14 July 2005 05:20
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relay will be what u want it connects to the ignition wire not the main battery one im sure its been stated...
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Re: (Fixed) I can hear my starter solenoid, but it doesn't kick
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Thu, 14 July 2005 07:33
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Yep, have relay, will travel. The pic above is almost exactly my AW11 wiring, exept for the cold start stuff which is now in 3SGTE loom land.
Got the starter back with a few things inside fixed. I'd over tightened the gear on the positive terminal and in turn rotated the base of it which shorted inside, whoops.
I now have a weird intermittant problem where the wire going to Pin 1 on the M2 connector (pictured above, but pictured much better below) is earthing somewhere. It's got me f*cked where and why it's intermittant (sucks to find), but I'll be persisting with it tonight.
Again, thanks all for your help. Problem solved and on to the next one
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Re: (Fixed) I can hear my starter solenoid, but it doesn't kick
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Thu, 14 July 2005 08:06
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Well after a bit of investigation I have found that when I turn the ignition to 'on', the whole circuit connected to Pin 1 on the M2 becomes earthed 
I have disconnected all of my wiring interfacing with the AW11 body loom, so nothing I have done should be affecting this.
It doesn't seem right though, wouldn't this just blow a fuse immediately?
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Re: (Fixed) I can hear my starter solenoid, but it doesn't kick
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Thu, 14 July 2005 11:48
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Anyone?
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Re: (Fixed) I can hear my starter solenoid, but it doesn't kick
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Fri, 15 July 2005 09:06
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Sorted, wasn't really a problem after all 
The starter's going now, circuit relay is opening up and fuel is ruching around, just no go go. Will be back there on Monday to try and make some 3SGTE magic happen
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