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1jzvvti manual half cut?
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Thu, 14 July 2005 11:16
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Has anyone seen a vvti 1jz manual half cut if so where from and what is the rough price? If not is the w58 strong enough to take the 1jzvvti i am aiming for about 230rwkw also how hard is it to use the standard computer out of the autos i have heard that u need to trick it into thinking that it is in nuetral all of the time if this is true how do you do it? also are the bellhousings and flywheels the same as the 1jz thanks for ya help.
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Re: 1jzvvti manual half cut?
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Thu, 14 July 2005 12:51
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Norbie off these forums has broken 3-4 w58 and w57 gearboxes with around that much power from his 2JZ.
I wouldn't think it would last all that long, but really depends on your driving style at the end of the day.
But you don't see toyota releasing the GTE motors with W58's do you.
And no, the 1jz bellhousing will only suit R154 boxes.
If you want to bolt on a W58 you will need to get a 2JZGE (non turbo) bellhousing, flywheel, clutch, fork, throwout bearing and slave.
Good luck finding a 2JZGE box, they aren't cheap when you find them.
Oh and there is someone on here that just finished putting a VVT-i 1JZ into an MX83 cressida and another guy popping one into an MA61.
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Re: 1jzvvti manual half cut?
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Thu, 14 July 2005 13:33
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| BlackSupra wrote on Thu, 14 July 2005 20:51 |
Oh and there is someone on here that just finished putting a VVT-i 1JZ into an MX83 cressida and another guy popping one into an MA61.
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the MA61 one is 99% done from what ive heard.. and it goes apparently!
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Re: 1jzvvti manual half cut?
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Fri, 15 July 2005 00:52
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There are 2 1jz vvti MA61's on the build atm.
And don't forget the W58 was behind the 1GGTE, torque monster that it is 
Depends on the driving style, and the weight of the car.
Norbie doesn't exactly drive like a grandma, or even like a grandma on speed. He does have mechanical sympathy though, which is why the boxes last 6+ months.
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Re: 1jzvvti manual half cut?
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Fri, 15 July 2005 00:57
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| CrUZsida wrote on Fri, 15 July 2005 10:22 |
He does have mechanical sympathy though, which is why the boxes last 6+ months.
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Ya reckon !!!!
Well he does drive like a Grandma on speed, hash, dope, heroin, Rittlin etc !!! 
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Re: 1jzvvti manual half cut?
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Fri, 15 July 2005 00:58
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| CrUZsida wrote on Fri, 15 July 2005 10:52 |
And don't forget the W58 was behind the 1GGTE, torque monster that it is
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hey!
all this 1G bagging makes me wonder why i'm keeping the engine! LOL
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Re: 1jzvvti manual half cut?
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Fri, 15 July 2005 01:19
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| Ray_GZ20 wrote on Thu, 14 July 2005 21:16 |
Has anyone seen a vvti 1jz manual half cut if so where from and what is the rough price? If not is the w58 strong enough to take the 1jzvvti i am aiming for about 230rwkw also how hard is it to use the standard computer out of the autos i have heard that u need to trick it into thinking that it is in nuetral all of the time if this is true how do you do it? also are the bellhousings and flywheels the same as the 1jz thanks for ya help.
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I haven't seen a VVTi 1JZ half cut but I estimate the price would be around $4500 to $5000. Rolin Automotive have a VVTi soarer engine package for $4400. Check this thread http://forums.toymods.org.au/index.php?t=msg&t h=35043&start=0&rid=1748&S=5fbd294cf09 2b6609a9ad348a39cf8eb and ring a few places, I know SSS and Just Jap have had 1JZ VVTi halfcuts in stock before.
I am using a auto computer on my car, yes you have to trick the computer into thinking it is in neutral, simply give 12V to the neutral start switch.
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Re: 1jzvvti manual half cut?
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Fri, 15 July 2005 13:13
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there thats cool thanks everyone didnt really make it clear but
me mate has a w58 4 sale with bellhousing to suit 1jz twin
turbo. He is also selling me the flywheel, new extreme clutch
and pp, thrust bearing all of the gear for auto to manual conv.
So just wondering will 58 hold up or try to get 154? 2jz torque
would kill these but what bout 1j vvti? i dont drive like no
grandma but not going to be giving it to much hell.
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Re: 1jzvvti manual half cut?
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Fri, 15 July 2005 14:44
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I reckon you will be fine with the w58 provided you treat it with a little TLC.The other thing is that you will have all the hard to get parts.That bell and flywheel you say you have are extremely difficult to get.[w58 to 1j]
So,if you are unlucky enough to break one,a bare box can be found for $300 [just sold one at this price] compared to $1000 for R154 bare box.Also nice light shifts from w58.R154 is a little clunky in the shift in comparison.Wouldnt want to go over the 225rwkw or 300rwhp though.Good Luck.
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Re: 1jzvvti manual half cut?
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Sat, 16 July 2005 07:23
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A Supra 6-speed is only $3k. You know you want to. 
Personally I think a W58 will have a limited lifespan behind even a 1JZ, because let's face it, you wouldn't go to all the trouble of a 1JZ conversion if you weren't planning to drive it hard. You should get a good 6 months out of it though if you're relatively gentle.
Also note the later model W58's are a bit stronger (larger bearings and layshaft gears) so grab one of those if you can.
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Sat, 16 July 2005 07:25
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I'd like to jumnp in here and mention that I drive very hard, and have yet to get even a noise from the w58. no it's not ideal, but it can survive a decent period
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Sat, 16 July 2005 07:28
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| draven wrote on Sat, 16 July 2005 17:25 |
I'd like to jumnp in here and mention that I drive very hard, and have yet to get even a noise from the w58. no it's not ideal, but it can survive a decent period
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Norbies car was at least driven everyday.
How long has your car with a 1j actually seen the road for
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Re: 1jzvvti manual half cut?
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Sat, 16 July 2005 07:28
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yeah i am putting it in a 1987 gz20 mine has w57 and the w58 is
coming out of me mates 1989 gz20. As i said before does anyone
know how many of the vvti came in manuals?
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Re: 1jzvvti manual half cut?
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Sat, 16 July 2005 07:32
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before I crashed mine it was driven every day for about a year.
and thanks for the reminder glen - no more good words with my hot ladies anymore (they'll both be at a party I'm going to tonight) 
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Sat, 16 July 2005 09:33
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Uh-oh, GZ20 = heavy = extra gearbox stress. I strongly recommend an R154 in this case. If you get a JZA70 box it will be a perfect fit in your chassis.
I might add that I started breaking gearboxes after I installed the 5-puck ceramic clutch. Organic clutches tend to be a lot nicer to gearboxes, but that's no good if they can't hold the power.
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Sat, 16 July 2005 09:36
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| Ray_GZ20 wrote on Sat, 16 July 2005 17:28 |
yeah i am putting it in a 1987 gz20 mine has w57 and the w58 is
coming out of me mates 1989 gz20. As i said before does anyone
know how many of the vvti came in manuals?
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So are you asking how many VVTi 1jz powered manual cars in total Toyota produced?  I don't think anyone except Toyota themselves would know the answer. Like I said before ring the places on the list and ask a) If they have one in stock? b) Have they had one in stock previously? c) Can they get you one in stock? That will give you a fair idea how many are out there.
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Re: 1jzvvti manual half cut?
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Sat, 16 July 2005 15:05
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no worries thanx for all ur help guys, i have asked all of the
wreckers in sa bout vvti manual cut but r all hopeless shall
try interstate wreckers cheers again. ps what price should i be
selling me 1ggte with w57 and ecu and loom 130000kms in good
nick with brand new extreme cluch worth $380? i am going to
keep it in me car until i have a buyer that way they can take
it for a spin.
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I will love you long time greggy baby