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Win98 to XP Question Wed, 20 July 2005 04:50 Go to next message
Hi,

Getting broadband put on at home for the family but alas they (my ISP) told me I need to use Win98SE or later. Sadly I only have the old original Win98. So, it looks like I'm gonna be dragged into the 21st century and get XP.

I have two choices.

1st choice I reformat my current HDD and load XP. I'll have to save a whole bunch of private files and other stuff by burning it to CDs, then reloading it afterwards.

2nd choice is to buy a new HDD and put XP onto that. Then I make my old HDD the slave drive. I'm assuming if I do this then I can read the old drive without a problem? This seems like a better way of doing it, and I doubt there'd be an issue with XP reading stuff on my old Win98 HDD. Actually, I really only need the old drive to transfer private files and any required application data. I got all the apps and games on CD to reload.

Oh, but I want to be able to transfer my email stuff and also my favourite URLs.

Any advice or pitfalls in my plans?

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Re: Win98 to XP Question Wed, 20 July 2005 05:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
yep option 2 is easily doable and prolly the best option

whats the specs on your machine tho is it a slow machine will xp run on it? if not i have a copy of win98SE if u wanna stay oldskool, u can visit me at work in blacktown ill give to u
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Re: Win98 to XP Question Wed, 20 July 2005 05:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hi,

It's a 1G Athlon. It's got 256M of RAM, but I got another 256M memory module to get it up to 512M.

As I'll be in the city of churches and the PC is staying (I'll try and get something more decent while I'm over there) it will be mainly used for browsing the net and small-time card games.

I'm the only one who stresses it with FS4 and other games that require the machine/graphics to work hard.

I think it'll run XP without any issues and be fast enough for the family to use.

Thanks for the offer on Win98SE, but I better make a leap into XP. I got my old DOS systems (PC, PC/XT, PC/AT) stuff to play with when I wanna go old school. Smile

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Re: Win98 to XP Question Wed, 20 July 2005 05:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Yeah, how much RAM have you got? Windows XP be a hungry bastard for RAM. It does technically run on my 233 (which I use as a gateway) but it's far from ideal conditions.

Option two does seem like a go-er, plus with broadband it's always good to have extra hard drive space Wink (20gb downloaded this month for me)

EDIT: Argh, beaten. 512MB is perfectly acceptable for running XP, especially if it's only for web browsing and desktop stuff.

[Updated on: Wed, 20 July 2005 05:24]

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Re: Win98 to XP Question Wed, 20 July 2005 05:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
yeah that machine will be fine ive had XP on a PII300 working fine for net browsing etc.

option 2 is teh win

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Re: Win98 to XP Question Wed, 20 July 2005 05:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Consider Windows2000 ?!

My life revolves around PC's

and in the experiences ive had any machine under the 1.5ghz mark using SDRAM (older ram) should LOVE win2k it will be super fast and 2k is by far exceeding the req. needed to gain ADSL.

XP PRO (coz home is useless) is basically a Pretty version of 2k with a few little "EASY" features that does help but isnt really nessacery also as said in a few posts above it eats ram up very easy and with 133 SDRAM you'll have a slow time with it.

Go option 2 like you said .. get a new 80 gig or whatever and load a fresh copy of windows 2k on it then put the original HDD as slave.

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the reason im guessing your ISP is saying you cant get ADSL with WIN98 is because of how dodgy the networking is in it.

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Re: Win98 to XP Question Wed, 20 July 2005 07:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
bah.. you dont need to upgrade at all.

if theres one thing ive learnt in the years ive been in the industry its that Level 1 ISP Heldesk Support dont know shit outside whats on their screen in front of them..

firstly how are u connecting?

are you connecting via a standalone modem? (usb? rj45?)
are you connecting via a router/adsl bridge (rj45?)

most network card drivers, including cheap piece of shit cards for $10 from joe blows computer store down the road have 98SE drivers on them which still work on 98 first edition.. you just obviously dont have Internet Connection Sharing or any of that shit from SE..

so long as the network card works fine and pings your router fine.. using tcipcfg and stuff.. then you should have NO problem getting online and using the router as your gateway..

if its a USB modem then you may have some trouble.. but who buys them anymore!?!
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Re: Win98 to XP Question Wed, 20 July 2005 07:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Me! but then it was given to me with the internet connection Wink
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Re: Win98 to XP Question Wed, 20 July 2005 07:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ahh.. yeah those ISP's ay Very Happy

they lock u into a contract for so long and youre paying the hardware off twice over in the hidden costs.. Smile
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Re: Win98 to XP Question Wed, 20 July 2005 08:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
meh, I don't think it's a bad deal. I'm with optus cable, we've got land line / mobiles / tv through them aswell. That and I certainly did NOT want to have Telstra.

Only two cable choices Razz
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Re: Win98 to XP Question Wed, 20 July 2005 08:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
oh cable..thats different. you dont really get much of a choice there and theres bugger all cablemodems available through the channel.. adsl though, usb is super ghey.. noone should be subjected to that
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Re: Win98 to XP Question Wed, 20 July 2005 12:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
coFF33 wrote on Wed, 20 July 2005 15:46

Consider Windows2000 ?!


Ohhhhh you meen the one microsoft has officaly stoped supporting?

Get xp on a nice new drive, get VET and spybot search & destroy, ALL the windows updates, and dont install anything you didnt pay for you should be ok online Smile
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Re: Win98 to XP Question Wed, 20 July 2005 13:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
If you using windows first edition then forget using a usb modem.

Windows 2000 and XP are ideal. Go the second option without a doubt

Also use ethernet when possible. Dont have a ethernet card, shell out $20 and buy one, USB modems such.

Get a modem that has a PPPoE client in the firmware and make sure its one your provider supports.

For ease of trouble shooting modems with 4 lights: power, adsl, status, usb/ethernet make troubleshoot much easier

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Re: Win98 to XP Question Wed, 20 July 2005 13:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
hamgatan wrote on Wed, 20 July 2005 18:18

oh cable..thats different. you dont really get much of a choice there and theres bugger all cablemodems available through the channel.. adsl though, usb is super ghey.. noone should be subjected to that


microsoft still support 2000. they recently stopped supporting NT recently, do you have it confused with that.

they may have stopped supporting win 98 aswell but unsure on this
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Re: Win98 to XP Question Wed, 20 July 2005 14:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
no..they discontinued support for 2000 as of july 1st..

unofficially its still available but only through back-channels and only to high end enterprise agreement customers..

[EDIT: Win98 Support ended in early 2004, however there is some guy in Hungary/Bulgaria who does unofficial 98 Patches still and thats where most 98 users to to..]

[Updated on: Wed, 20 July 2005 14:31]

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Re: Win98 to XP Question Thu, 21 July 2005 11:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hi,

Well I'm running on XP now. I bought an 80M HDD and XP Home edition and loaded it, and here I am. I'll connect the old win98 HDD as the slave drive tomorrow.

Gee, this XP is very pretty isn't it? I'll soon see if it's better than Win98 or just bling and rice.

Thanks for your help.

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Re: Win98 to XP Question Thu, 21 July 2005 11:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
coFF33 wrote on Wed, 20 July 2005 13:46

XP PRO (coz home is useless)

Pssht, because most people use the features that set them apart Wink
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Re: Win98 to XP Question Thu, 21 July 2005 11:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
river wrote on Thu, 21 July 2005 19:04

I'll soon see if it's better than Win98 or just bling and rice.

Both. Very Happy
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Re: Win98 to XP Question Thu, 21 July 2005 11:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
3rd choice
dual boot Smile
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Re: Win98 to XP Question Thu, 21 July 2005 12:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hi,

Yes, dual-boot. I can then run OS/2!!!!

In regards to XP Pro.... I saw the price and thought it a little too steep for what it offers, especially for a single old PC that ostensibly will be running low-end games and net browsing.

If I want to get serious I'll use DOS6.22 Smile

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Re: Win98 to XP Question Thu, 21 July 2005 12:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
There's no need to pay extra for a feature that you're not going to use, either. Wink
Wise choice.
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Re: Win98 to XP Question Thu, 21 July 2005 13:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
shit i just remembered something..

river ol fella, you picked up a job as IT manager for the SA police yeah? i forgot to mention.. they have a all of government Enterprise Agreement in place there whereby you can commission work at home rights on the Desktop Lic/SA Pack..

meaning you can take ths software home and use it for free for the duration of your employment there.. oh and get upgrades when they come along as well.. Smile

so yeah, dont be buying your software when you can have it legal and free that way.. Smile
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Re: Win98 to XP Question Thu, 21 July 2005 14:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Is there a version of Workbench that'll run on my p4 3.0 Very Happy?
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Re: Win98 to XP Question Thu, 21 July 2005 14:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
thats still around?! Very Happy

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Re: Win98 to XP Question Thu, 21 July 2005 15:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
It's still around on my Amiga 500 Razz, despite the fact all my discs dont' work anymore Sad
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Re: Win98 to XP Question Thu, 21 July 2005 22:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
hamgatan wrote on Thu, 21 July 2005 23:43

shit i just remembered something..

river ol fella, you picked up a job as IT manager for the SA police yeah? i forgot to mention.. they have a all of government Enterprise Agreement in place there whereby you can commission work at home rights on the Desktop Lic/SA Pack..

meaning you can take ths software home and use it for free for the duration of your employment there.. oh and get upgrades when they come along as well.. Smile

so yeah, dont be buying your software when you can have it legal and free that way.. Smile

He was joking with the police bit.
But that government enterprise agreement helps me sleep easier at night. Smile
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Re: Win98 to XP Question Thu, 21 July 2005 23:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Workbench 3.5 is out and 4.0 is under devlopment get with the times peoples Smile

and an A500 was a toy, real men had an A3000 or better Smile
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Re: Win98 to XP Question Thu, 21 July 2005 23:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
As to the question of support Windows 98 and Windows 2000 SP4 are both in extended support meaning that there is still support available for them. There is however no free support available for them other than hotfixes.

How could you claim there is no 2000 support when a security roll-up containing 514 hotfixes was released just this month?
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Re: Win98 to XP Question Thu, 21 July 2005 23:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
2000 IS DEAD! XP is the current mainstream until longfloppy gets viagra! get over it! no one in there right mind would prefer to install windows 2000 over XP on a fresh system today unless it was a SOE requirement
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Re: Win98 to XP Question Fri, 22 July 2005 00:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
hotfixes is hardly what i would call support.

they only do the hotfixes because some of the biggest EAs/Select Agreements in place are all still utilising W2K environments due to partly retentive directors who do not understand technology and wont authorise the rubber stamp on IT funding to do the migrations. ms are still supporting the hotfixes because they dont want their big enterprise customers jumping over to novell. its as simple as that..

but yes Josh youre right in the hotfix and extended support part..

http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/server/evalua tion/news/bulletins/extendedsupport.asp

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Re: Win98 to XP Question Fri, 22 July 2005 00:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Of course XP is the current main stream OS. Nobody said it wasn't, and I sure didn't recomend using 2000 instead of XP. All I did was correct the misinformation you had claimed in the thread.

Sorry if that touched a nerve.
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Re: Win98 to XP Question Fri, 22 July 2005 00:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Allan wrote on Fri, 22 July 2005 09:53

no one in there right mind would prefer to install windows 2000 over XP on a fresh system today



Laughing

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Re: Win98 to XP Question Sun, 24 July 2005 10:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hi,

All done and the PC is running better under XP than it did with Win98.

I imported all the favourites, address books and messages. It's marvellous when technology actually works (which isn't as often as I would like).

Thanks for your replies and help. I got the old Win98 drive as my 2nd HDD and can slowly move over stuff I want and then maybe format it. I might put the swapfile on the 2nd HDD for a slight improvement in performance.

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Re: Win98 to XP Question Sun, 24 July 2005 11:03 Go to previous message
You may want to leave the swap file on the newer HDD, as it almost certainly has better seek times, larger pipe & larger cache.
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