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Re: T3 rollerbearing uper hats with camber plates - need spacer??
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Fri, 22 July 2005 05:28
 
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I've fitted these to a friends car, and it looks as gabes designed it this way, so to relieve the spherical bearing of some of the load. The springs will give a little, and sit on a slight angle. But i don't think this would affect the way any of it works.
He may have used the small spacer to get a larger bearing, or the sphericals only come in a non metric size(or cheaper).
dan
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Re: T3 rollerbearing uper hats with camber plates - need spacer??
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Fri, 22 July 2005 05:40
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| c2888 wrote on Fri, 22 July 2005 15:28 |
I've fitted these to a friends car, and it looks as gabes designed it this way, so to relieve the spherical bearing of some of the load. The springs will give a little, and sit on a slight angle. But i don't think this would affect the way any of it works.
He may have used the small spacer to get a larger bearing, or the sphericals only come in a non metric size(or cheaper).
dan
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Okay, so are you saying the upper hat remains horizontal while the spring & lower hat & strut etc are on an angle?
The bearings & rings in the top of the upper hat are only proud of the upper hat by ~1mm, so there is only a ~1mm gap between the top hat & the camber top.
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Re: T3 rollerbearing uper hats with camber plates - need spacer??
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Fri, 22 July 2005 07:40
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Okay, so are you saying the upper hat remains horizontal while the spring & lower hat & strut etc are on an angle?
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yeah. i was never good at summarization at school.
dan
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Re: T3 rollerbearing uper hats with camber plates - need spacer?? UPDATE - answer = yes
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Fri, 22 July 2005 16:53
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Got an email back from Gab himself, not long after sending it. They are indeed meant to sit directly on each other.
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Re: T3 rollerbearing uper hats with camber plates - need spacer?? UPDATE - answer = yes
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Fri, 22 July 2005 17:48
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fromt he pics it looks liek the thrust bearing (the three piece one) is what transfers the load directly from the spring hat to the camberplate..
ideally, you don't want the spherical bearing taking any axial load except the shock....
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Re: T3 rollerbearing uper hats with camber plates - need spacer?? UPDATE - answer = yes
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Sun, 24 July 2005 00:40
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| oldcorollas wrote on Sat, 23 July 2005 03:48 |
fromt he pics it looks liek the thrust bearing (the three piece one) is what transfers the load directly from the spring hat to the camberplate..
ideally, you don't want the spherical bearing taking any axial load except the shock....
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So, are you saying that the T3 design doesn't transfer additional axial load to the spoherical bearig, and is good, or...?
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Re: T3 rollerbearing uper hats with camber plates - need spacer??
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Sun, 24 July 2005 01:18
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hey stefan,
I got these camber plates for my car a while ago and noticed the same thing. Spoke to gabe about it and he reckons thats how its suppose to fit...BULL SH*T! U have to get an aluminium spacer thing machined up that sits on those three bearings and then tapers up to the base of the camber plate. There is NO other way of doing this!....unless u wana grind the crap out of the bearings and camber plate 
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Re: T3 rollerbearing uper hats with camber plates - need spacer??
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Sun, 24 July 2005 19:36
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You guys are acting like the strut see's a 45 degree angle of misalingment.
Camber is a measuring of degree's. Most of you run less than 4 degrees of camber, probably around 2.5 to 3 degree's I'm guessing.
If you look at your strut tower, is the upper strut perch located perfectly horizontal? No. It's already angled to accomodate the angle of the strut.
The 2 races and needle bearings are completely capable of handling the deflection of that 2 or 3 degrees. The needle bearings MAY wear out 2 years down the road, big deal, bearings wear out. They are a $5 part. We have Rally Teams in Barbados, Jamaica, and Luxembourg using this setup for two whole seasons with no problems. I've been running this style setup on my SW20 and AE86 for over 8 years combined, no problems.
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Re: T3 rollerbearing uper hats with camber plates - need spacer?? UPDATE - answer = yes
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Sun, 24 July 2005 20:10
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| Stefan wrote on Sun, 24 July 2005 10:40 |
| oldcorollas wrote on Sat, 23 July 2005 03:48 |
fromt he pics it looks liek the thrust bearing (the three piece one) is what transfers the load directly from the spring hat to the camberplate..
ideally, you don't want the spherical bearing taking any axial load except the shock....
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So, are you saying that the T3 design doesn't transfer additional axial load to the spoherical bearig, and is good, or...?
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i say it's good..compared to others (i think the Cusco ones?) which have NO bearing, and are ONLY metal on metal.. these are much much better..
if i was to design a camber top, it would look pretty much like this.
i guess it comes down to how much an angle are you trying to run? ie the angle between the plan on which the strut top will be installed, and the desired angle of the strut... if it is only a couple of degrees.. don't worry, if not.. meh..
you could always get a self-aligning base for the thrust bearing i suppose... or use a rubber washer 
i guess the point is tho, that the spring top hat does not change angle as much as the strut itself, as long as the hole in the sprign hat is a little bigger than the shock rod.. only a few mm will allow quite a large movement..
i suggest installing it all without a spring, and see just how it sits..
stock, the spring top hat is often clamped onto the shock rod, but iirc, this design has the top hat free floating on the shock rod, so it should al be foine....
Cya, Stewart
ps, nice design Gab
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Re: T3 rollerbearing uper hats with camber plates - need spacer??
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Sun, 24 July 2005 20:11
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| japlish wrote on Sun, 24 July 2005 11:18 |
hey stefan,
I got these camber plates for my car a while ago and noticed the same thing. Spoke to gabe about it and he reckons thats how its suppose to fit...BULL SH*T! U have to get an aluminium spacer thing machined up that sits on those three bearings and then tapers up to the base of the camber plate. There is NO other way of doing this!....unless u wana grind the crap out of the bearings and camber plate
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what part grinds? when it is installed with no spacer, does the spring hat sit flat realtive to the camber plate (as it is designed to) or does the shock rod force it out of alignment?
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Re: T3 rollerbearing uper hats with camber plates - need spacer??
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Sun, 24 July 2005 23:42
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| Gabriel Tyler wrote on Mon, 25 July 2005 05:36 |
You guys are acting like the strut see's a 45 degree angle of misalingment.
Camber is a measuring of degree's. Most of you run less than 4 degrees of camber, probably around 2.5 to 3 degree's I'm guessing.
If you look at your strut tower, is the upper strut perch located perfectly horizontal? No. It's already angled to accomodate the angle of the strut.
The 2 races and needle bearings are completely capable of handling the deflection of that 2 or 3 degrees. The needle bearings MAY wear out 2 years down the road, big deal, bearings wear out. They are a $5 part. We have Rally Teams in Barbados, Jamaica, and Luxembourg using this setup for two whole seasons with no problems. I've been running this style setup on my SW20 and AE86 for over 8 years combined, no problems.
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Since I got your reply I completely get it; I only asked here because I thought it was a stupid question and I was simply not understanding something.
japlish - I did a mock up and I can't see how the upper hats would grind on the camber tops at all, the hole in the upper hat allows the angle that you need, and having a spacer won't chanage the angle of the upper hat!
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T3 rollerbearing uper hats with camber plates - need spacer??
