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On Probation
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Hobart
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December 2004
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Location:
Central Coast, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: HELP!
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Tue, 02 August 2005 03:46
 
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Flat battery buddy... thats where i'd start anyway
Dan
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On Probation
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Hobart
Registered:
December 2004
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Location:
Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
Registered:
January 2003
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Re: HELP!
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Tue, 02 August 2005 03:52
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check the voltage, and voltage during cranking (ie when you turn the key and the voltage goes so cos the battery is flat that the lights dim out).
meh, dud battery or dud alternator or left lights on...
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Location:
Central Coast, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: HELP!
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Tue, 02 August 2005 03:56
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| TRD_Supra wrote on Tue, 02 August 2005 13:46 |
the battery is brand spanking new.. from about 2 weeks ago
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Everything you stated tells me either the battery is flat of its own accord, or the alternator isn't charging the battery and it is flat
Dan
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On Probation
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Hobart
Registered:
December 2004
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Re: HELP!
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Tue, 02 August 2005 03:59
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i just went and gave it another go, and when u leave teh key in the ON postion it clicks afor abotu 2 seconds then when u go to turn it over the car has No power like the entire car has nothing, and everythign resets like the clock resets and the CD player resets
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On Probation
Location:
Hobart
Registered:
December 2004
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Re: HELP!
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Tue, 02 August 2005 04:02
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when i first got in it, it worked fine then about 2nd or 3rd attempted it went mental... i think u might be right.. i will try to jump her now..!! STAY TUNED!
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Location:
Tassie
Registered:
October 2003
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Re: HELP!
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Tue, 02 August 2005 04:05
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don't blow ur ecu jumpstarting it
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On Probation
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Hobart
Registered:
December 2004
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Re: HELP!
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Tue, 02 August 2005 04:17
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k, when i had the car hooked up with jumper leads it wouldn't make the stupid clicky noise, but when i tried to turn the car over it would jsut stay dormant and do nothing.. so it might be the battery hasn't got enough CA... wat size battery is reccomened.. i read it was about 600CA are required for a 7MGTE.. the bettery on there now is onyl 460CA
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On Probation
Location:
Hobart
Registered:
December 2004
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Re: HELP!
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Tue, 02 August 2005 04:54
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450CA sorry... but the car been sitting around for about a month and started maybe once or twice a week... i am gunan see if the warranty will cover it!!! do u guys think its the battery tho ?
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Location:
Brisbane
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: HELP!
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Tue, 02 August 2005 05:01
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Where is Shane? This is almost certainly a bad earth somewhere.
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
Registered:
January 2003
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Re: HELP!
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Tue, 02 August 2005 05:04
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| TRD_Supra wrote on Tue, 02 August 2005 14:54 |
450CA sorry... but the car been sitting around for about a month and started maybe once or twice a week... i am gunan see if the warranty will cover it!!! do u guys think its the battery tho ?
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HAVE YOU TESTED THE VOLTAGE YET
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On Probation
Location:
Hobart
Registered:
December 2004
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Re: HELP!
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Tue, 02 August 2005 05:12
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i had this problem in my other car... cause the diff is up the creek atm, the car hasn't been attended too very much.. it has been sitting around and i have started it once or twice a week... i reckon cause its winter aswell the battery has just drained... so i will try a new battery with larger CA! 600 as recommended
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Location:
Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
Registered:
January 2003
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Re: HELP!
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Tue, 02 August 2005 05:13
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| oldcorollas wrote on Tue, 02 August 2005 15:04 |
| TRD_Supra wrote on Tue, 02 August 2005 14:54 |
450CA sorry... but the car been sitting around for about a month and started maybe once or twice a week... i am gunan see if the warranty will cover it!!! do u guys think its the battery tho ?
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HAVE YOU TESTED THE VOLTAGE YET
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On Probation
Location:
Hobart
Registered:
December 2004
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Re: HELP!
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Tue, 02 August 2005 05:14
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| oldcorollas wrote on Tue, 02 August 2005 15:04 |
| TRD_Supra wrote on Tue, 02 August 2005 14:54 |
450CA sorry... but the car been sitting around for about a month and started maybe once or twice a week... i am gunan see if the warranty will cover it!!! do u guys think its the battery tho ?
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HAVE YOU TESTED THE VOLTAGE YET
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i didn't hook up the voltage meter... but lookign at the wolf hand controller said it had about 9v.. which is definately to low
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On Probation
Location:
Hobart
Registered:
December 2004
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Re: HELP!
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Tue, 02 August 2005 07:36
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replace the battery with a 600CA and turned the car on and the clicking noise disappeared, but tried to turn it over, got 1 click and the entire car went fuckign dead... now when u turn it to ON nothign comes up.. got the auto electrian coming to have a look tomorrow!!! its fucking over my head now
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Location:
Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
Registered:
January 2003
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Re: HELP!
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Tue, 02 August 2005 07:43
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| TRD_Supra wrote on Tue, 02 August 2005 17:36 |
replace the battery with a 600CA and turned the car on and the clicking noise disappeared, but tried to turn it over, got 1 click and the entire car went fuckign dead... now when u turn it to ON nothign comes up.. got the auto electrian coming to have a look tomorrow!!! its fucking over my head now
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starter motor has burnt out causign a short, or there is a short in the line from the ig switch to the solenoid, so when you go to start it shorts out and burns a fuse/fusible link..
solenoid wire come off and earthing to exhaust perhaps?
drag out the multimeter and start probing.... or bend over and let the autoelec probe you 
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On Probation
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Hobart
Registered:
December 2004
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Re: HELP!
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Tue, 02 August 2005 07:53
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so u reckon the 600CA has fucked up the starter motor ? or u rekcon the starter motor was just fucked to start with and the battery was no issue.. cause when i went to turn it over all the times it would simply do nothing, but the display would come on when in ON position. Although the original battery was low on voltage, i hadit tested and it still came through as having enough juice to turn it over. so i spose next thing is... how much is a starter motor for a 7MGTE
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On Probation
Location:
Hobart
Registered:
December 2004
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Re: HELP!
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Tue, 02 August 2005 08:06
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the central locking doesn't work, nor does that central locking button in the middle....
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I supported Toymods
Location:
Perth
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: HELP!
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Tue, 02 August 2005 08:22
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You have a bad earth. Things just don't stop working like that. My RA60 currently has a 380cc battery which was quite fine cranking a 7MGTE. Stop worrying about a bigger battery, or a new starter motor. Fix the earth.
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On Probation
Location:
Hobart
Registered:
December 2004
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Re: HELP!
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Tue, 02 August 2005 08:25
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from where, to where should i run the earth too ?
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Location:
Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
Registered:
January 2003
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Re: HELP!
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Tue, 02 August 2005 08:26
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| TRD_Supra wrote on Tue, 02 August 2005 18:25 |
from where, to where should i run the earth too ?
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open the bonnet of the car..
look for the earth strap between battery and car body, and between car body and engine.
surely you can do that?
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On Probation
Location:
Hobart
Registered:
December 2004
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On Probation
Location:
Hobart
Registered:
December 2004
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Re: HELP!
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Tue, 02 August 2005 13:08
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yes obviosuly i can do that... looking at wat is currently available the negative connection also has the earth connected to itand its about a 1mm thick wire, i can't see any connection between the engine and car body, not saying it doesn't have one, just can't c it
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Location:
Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
Registered:
January 2003
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Re: HELP!
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Tue, 02 August 2005 13:49
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i would like to see that you have an earth cable that is similar in size to the strater motor cable, both between the batterys negative terminal and the car body, and also between the motor and the car body (or the motor and the neg terminal if you are picky)
if there is no earth connection between the motor and the battery, how the fuck is the starter motor meant to return 1-200amps of current?
heres a quickie for you, grab a coupel of sets of jumper leads, run them between the neg terminal and the motor and the body, see if it makes any difference... and clean the inside of the battery terminals and also the batteries posts...
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On Probation
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Hobart
Registered:
December 2004
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Re: HELP!
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Tue, 02 August 2005 13:50
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hmmm ok.. thanks will try... when u say motor u mean 7M or starter ?
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Location:
Ballarat, Victoria
Registered:
March 2003
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Re: HELP!
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Tue, 02 August 2005 14:06
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ma61 is known for bad earth. gave me all sorts of digital dash issues in one of my supras. put another mega earth strap on and bobs your auntie
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On Probation
Location:
Hobart
Registered:
December 2004
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Re: HELP!
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Tue, 02 August 2005 14:08
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i hope it is a bad earth.. thanks for all your help guys!
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
Registered:
January 2003
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Re: HELP!
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Tue, 02 August 2005 14:27
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someone should tell Cool1 
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Location:
Brisbane
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: HELP!
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Tue, 02 August 2005 23:36
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I swear I've dropped a few IQ points after reading this thread.
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I supported Toymods
Location:
I renounced punctuation
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: HELP!
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Tue, 02 August 2005 23:43
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| Norbie wrote on Wed, 03 August 2005 09:36 |
I swear I've dropped a few IQ points after reading this thread.
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Is it possible to have a negative IQ?
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Location:
Brisbane
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: HELP!
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Tue, 02 August 2005 23:46
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You tell me Corona-boy.
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On Probation
Location:
Hobart
Registered:
December 2004
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Re: HELP!
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Wed, 03 August 2005 02:22
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yea was a bad earth... and i put a 450CA battery back in and she seems to turn over quite easily...
BTW norbie wat do u mean u have gone down in IQ ?
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Location:
Adelaide
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: HELP!
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Wed, 03 August 2005 02:59
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@this thread
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I supported Toymods
Location:
Adelaide
Registered:
July 2004
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Re: HELP!
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Wed, 03 August 2005 03:06
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me fail english?
thats um-possible!
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Location:
Sydney
Registered:
October 2004
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Re: HELP!
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Wed, 03 August 2005 03:45
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| oldcorollas wrote on Tue, 02 August 2005 17:43 |
drag out the multimeter and start probing.... or bend over and let the autoelec probe you
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HAHAHAHAHA fkn gold
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On Probation
Location:
Hobart
Registered:
December 2004
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Re: HELP!
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Wed, 03 August 2005 06:10
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k something really weird has happened, i have put in a 450CA battery had connected up leads as oldcorolla stated, but then removed all the leads to test if it would return to doing hte same thing.. and the car is fine.... WTF..
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Location:
NSW
Registered:
July 2005
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Re: HELP!
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Wed, 03 August 2005 06:23
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Man, that car of yours sounds like it has some serious issues.
What oldcorollas ment about your starter motor could be burnt out is, when you have a flat or low charged battery and keep trying to start it, it will burn out the starter instead. I had a VK calais, and the exact same thing happened, one minute it'll start, the next, i'm up for a new battery and starter. If it's fixed now, no stress (until next time).
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On Probation
Location:
Hobart
Registered:
December 2004
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Re: HELP!
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Wed, 03 August 2005 06:25
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but if the starter was fucked would it just sit there and continually just try to keep turning over ? i mean it has started in teh past fine, sometimes it will take a little longer to start, but non the less started
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Location:
NSW
Registered:
July 2005
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Re: HELP!
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Wed, 03 August 2005 06:32
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No, once a starter has given up completly, that's it, no more, dead. If you go and crank it over, even with a brand new battery and it cranks real slow, get the starter seen to ASAP. My mechanic had his fully charged jumper pack on the VK when it gave up, and the only noise it made was a click from the solinoid.
The VK sounded like a flat battery every time you started it, and in the end, it was the starter and a battery.
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On Probation
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Hobart
Registered:
December 2004
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Re: HELP!
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Wed, 03 August 2005 06:33
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its cranks over liek it always has... so i doubt its the starter.. i am gunna try to roll start the car cause it hasn;t been started in a while so i shall try that!
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Location:
NSW
Registered:
July 2005
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Re: HELP!
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Wed, 03 August 2005 06:36
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so tell me... what exactly happens as soon as you hit the key ???
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On Probation
Location:
Hobart
Registered:
December 2004
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Re: HELP!
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Wed, 03 August 2005 06:37
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well now it just sits there and keeps cranking over... the wolf handset reads like normal, but it just sits there and continues to turn over
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Location:
NSW
Registered:
July 2005
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Re: HELP!
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Wed, 03 August 2005 06:43
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well, that could be a number of things. Back to basics. Check all fusable links, wires to/from coil and distributor (if has one, not to familiar with supras  ) earth strap, between engine and car body, fuel pump and wires/fuse.
If it's cranking and turning over, but won't fire, then it's gotta be something with either fuel or ignition.
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On Probation
Location:
Hobart
Registered:
December 2004
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Re: HELP!
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Wed, 03 August 2005 06:59
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i have checked all the fuses and they seem fine, the hand set seems to read as if everything is running like normal... so nothing has changed...
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On Probation
Location:
Hobart
Registered:
December 2004
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Re: HELP!
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Wed, 03 August 2005 07:01
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one thing i did actually notice was the "injector open time" its rated in ms which i assume is millisec's and it has changed from around 7>10ms thats about hte only difference
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Location:
NSW
Registered:
July 2005
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Re: HELP!
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Wed, 03 August 2005 07:03
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does it still run a single coil, or does it run a coil pack ? It could be your coil is shot and not producing spark. Other then that, i'm fresh out of ideas. Sorry... 
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On Probation
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Hobart
Registered:
December 2004
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Re: HELP!
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Wed, 03 August 2005 07:13
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coil packs... spose that is the next test, physically check for a spark!
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Location:
NSW
Registered:
July 2005
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Re: HELP!
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Wed, 03 August 2005 07:19
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well, the only things i can think that could be stopping it from firing is, fuel and spark. Check your fuel pump is working and get it tested, it might work and you may hear it, but your pressure could be shit. Fuel blockage maybe.
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Location:
Tassie
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October 2003
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Re: HELP!
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Wed, 03 August 2005 08:50
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My 1ggte starts fine 
Make sure there is spark and fuel.
you have to see the spark and see the fuel flow don't take the wolf's word for it.
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On Probation
Location:
Hobart
Registered:
December 2004
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Re: HELP!
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Wed, 03 August 2005 14:08
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coil packs are getting no charge to them... but got the diff in YAY!!... wat would stop the coil packs from getting charge me and a mate are gunna get the testing light out tomorrow for a look see.. but see if i can get a heads up now as to eliminating this problem
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Location:
NSW
Registered:
July 2005
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Re: HELP!
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Wed, 03 August 2005 23:45
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Wiring, check the wiring, If there is power going into the coils and nothing coming out, start saving for a new coil pack.
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On Probation
Location:
Hobart
Registered:
December 2004
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Re: HELP!
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Thu, 04 August 2005 01:26
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we didn't have an indepth look into it, but when we checked there is no spark coming form the coil packs... i tried to fit a 600CA battery into the limited space and i was pushing all sort of wires located around the battery out of the way.. and might have disconnected something around there... i have a feeling its a lose wire... would there be anything else within that circuit leading onto the coil pack that might cause it to fail to spark ?
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Location:
Tassie
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October 2003
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Re: HELP!
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Thu, 04 August 2005 01:29
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have a look thru the tech docs and see if the 7mgte wiring loom is in there.
the just look for everything going from the coil packs that way u don't have the check every single wire
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On Probation
Location:
Hobart
Registered:
December 2004
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Re: HELP!
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Thu, 04 August 2005 01:30
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that is a good point
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