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Re: Wolf 3D Base Map
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Thu, 04 August 2005 02:44
 
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you can download a heap of maps off their website
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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Re: Wolf 3D Base Map
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Thu, 04 August 2005 03:06
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take the 3SGTE map, scale it for displacement and injector size and call it good... the wolf uses ms measurements for injectors no? should be easy, and your tuner should have half an idea as to base map  after all, it's a mathematical calculation to work out the maximum fuel for each load point.. timing is more fun tho..
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Re: Wolf 3D Base Map
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Thu, 04 August 2005 03:19
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Have a look at the capacity to injector size ratio for the 3S and compare to what you are running...that map should get you 90% there.
I ran a 3TGT map to get my 3SGTE going initially. Even that dodgy tune was good enough for 240rwkw...there's no magic, most engines run a very similar tune...enough to get you up and running anyway
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Re: Wolf 3D Base Map
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Thu, 04 August 2005 05:02
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| oldcorollas wrote on Thu, 04 August 2005 13:06 |
take the 3SGTE map, scale it for displacement and injector size and call it good... the wolf uses ms measurements for injectors no? should be easy, and your tuner should have half an idea as to base map after all, it's a mathematical calculation to work out the maximum fuel for each load point.. timing is more fun tho..
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What is this mathematical formula you speak of?
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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Re: Wolf 3D Base Map
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Thu, 04 August 2005 06:43
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Hmm, interesting. I see what you are saying about the VE changing but how do you accurately know what it is at a given point? Eg 5psi? Also, not sure if it will help on tuning a wolf as the x axis is from 0 to 107 and AFAIK these numbers are based on load not manifold pressure. So not sure how you would use the data in wolf software
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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Re: Wolf 3D Base Map
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Thu, 04 August 2005 06:51
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well...
at 5psi = 1+ (5/14.7) = 1.34 so the MAXIMUM VE you will get is 134%
the boost part is easy because you have (1atm+boost)x100%VE as the max amount of fuel you need, and it should be reasonably linear.. of course this will have it running rich, but better safe than sorry.
ahh load points
so it depends on what MAP sensor you are using? the max of the MAP sensor is 107 on the load scale? if so you just scale it/convert so you are working with real numbers
the relationship between load and manifold pressure must be linear.
load is a stoopid measurement to work with.. much easier to work with absolute pressures.. in that case, 0 load could be sayy.. 30-40kpa, and full load could be.. 200kpa (1 bar boost)
just takes a little while to convert it all back to sensible units, work out a rough mapo, then convert back to silly Wolf units 
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Re: Wolf 3D Base Map
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Thu, 04 August 2005 07:08
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thanks for the replies the tuner is having problems with the wolf only firing the 4th injector and a problem with the spark. The distributer in the 4agze aparantly has 24 teeth and with the wolfs aparantly you have to tell it to divide the 24 teeth by 6. He tried doing that and it only started working as above. He aparantly tried a 4 tooth distributer and it started injecting and firing on all 4 cylinders so he reccomends removing 20 teeth in the distributer to leave 4 (its a bit over my head). I should have just had it converted to cas as some tuners said is better
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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Re: Wolf 3D Base Map
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Thu, 04 August 2005 07:16
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| 4agte wrote on Thu, 04 August 2005 17:08 |
thanks for the replies the tuner is having problems with the wolf only firing the 4th injector and a problem with the spark. The distributer in the 4agze aparantly has 24 teeth and with the wolfs aparantly you have to tell it to divide the 24 teeth by 6. He tried doing that and it only started working as above. He aparantly tried a 4 tooth distributer and it started injecting and firing on all 4 cylinders so he reccomends removing 20 teeth in the distributer to leave 4 (its a bit over my head). I should have just had it converted to cas as some tuners said is better
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yup...
it might be better to remove 19 teeth, and have 4 teeth plus a TDC cyl 1 reference tooth (as shown in the Wolf manual), and then it is effectively a CAS anyway...
if you are firing with waste spark, you may want 4+2 teeth, so it knows when cyl's 4 and 2 are up.
wolf seems ot be a bitch to set up, and i found the manuals fairly non-specific at critical moments call Wolf and ask tho, they seem to be helpful.
G'luck
Cya, Stewart
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Re: Wolf 3D Base Map
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Thu, 04 August 2005 07:20
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I would say it would be as long as you don't have an auto! That is the problem I am having.
Thanks oldcorollas. I will have another read of that when I get home to absorbe it I am just trying to see how the theory matches up to real life as I can tune with my wideband 
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Re: Wolf 3D Base Map
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Thu, 04 August 2005 07:27
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| Chris Davey wrote on Thu, 04 August 2005 17:20 |
I am just trying to see how the theory matches up to real life as I can tune with my wideband
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you lucky lucky lucky lucky lucky lucky bastard!! 
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Re: Wolf 3D Base Map
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Thu, 04 August 2005 07:53
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| oldcorollas wrote on Thu, 04 August 2005 17:16 |
| 4agte wrote on Thu, 04 August 2005 17:08 |
thanks for the replies the tuner is having problems with the wolf only firing the 4th injector and a problem with the spark. The distributer in the 4agze aparantly has 24 teeth and with the wolfs aparantly you have to tell it to divide the 24 teeth by 6. He tried doing that and it only started working as above. He aparantly tried a 4 tooth distributer and it started injecting and firing on all 4 cylinders so he reccomends removing 20 teeth in the distributer to leave 4 (its a bit over my head). I should have just had it converted to cas as some tuners said is better
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yup...
it might be better to remove 19 teeth, and have 4 teeth plus a TDC cyl 1 reference tooth (as shown in the Wolf manual), and then it is effectively a CAS anyway...
if you are firing with waste spark, you may want 4+2 teeth, so it knows when cyl's 4 and 2 are up.
wolf seems ot be a bitch to set up, and i found the manuals fairly non-specific at critical moments call Wolf and ask tho, they seem to be helpful.
G'luck
Cya, Stewart
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cheers stewart id like to have waste spark but im told i need dual coil so that rules that out maybee some day when i have to pass an emissions test 
The tuner im working with has said to me that all the wolfs hes tuned are difficult to set up but quite good computers once thats done. Maybee its because he used to tuning autronics... What he says also agrees with your comments about the manuals that they are confusing and dont go into any real detail with some things.
We have been speaking to wolf but they seem to be only semi helpfull acording to my tuner but i havent had any issues with contacting them
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sunny coast, qld
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Montrose, VIC
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May 2002
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Re: Wolf 3D Base Map
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Fri, 05 August 2005 09:39
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Yes... the Wolf sure can be a plick to get working initially, although isn't too bad once you nut it out. The manuals are, well, severely lacking, ringing Steve is an issue, simply because he is constantly SO busy answering peoples problems all day long, and on it goes.
And Chris, my wideband's fancier than yours HAH! (kidding)
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Re: Wolf 3D Base Map
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Sat, 06 August 2005 00:36
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| mrshin wrote on Fri, 05 August 2005 19:39 |
And Chris, my wideband's fancier than yours HAH! (kidding)
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Which one do you have?
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