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Tech Info on the 5M-E (MA61)
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Tue, 04 June 2002 09:33
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Hey All,
I just picked up an Auto MA61 Celica Supra for $9000 and it is all original with low kms, original radio etc...
My Question is, what problems would i come across with the car. I am picking it up tomorrow and can't wait for it... I need to know what could go wrong because the car emptied out my account  I just want to be prepared for the worse...
Another thing is what is the top speed of it (I don't want to try it out and loose my licence).
Cheers.
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Re: Tech Info on the 5M-E (MA61)
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Tue, 04 June 2002 09:37
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wow it must be mint condition for that price! as far as the 5m gos basicly if it has run coolent all its life about the worst would be valve stem seals being auto it should be otherwise in good condition
Allan
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Re: Tech Info on the 5M-E (MA61)
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Tue, 04 June 2002 10:12
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Actually its done 130,000kms  and everything is working except the graphic equalizer...
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Re: Tech Info on the 5M-E (MA61)
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Tue, 04 June 2002 10:28
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not trying to talk you out of your purchase, but i picked mine up: 174,000km, 4 new tyres, 12 months rego, perfect interior, slightly weathered paint, zero rust (not anymore), great engine with logs and impeccable service history incl ne clutch, inj clean, new dist ad plugs etc, and only in need of a gas recharge for $4500.
9000 is a lot for a ma61
cheers
ed
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Re: Tech Info on the 5M-E (MA61)
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Tue, 04 June 2002 10:41
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Why cant it be the end of the year? I want my MA61 now!
Does seem a little excessive for a Mk2, but if the body is real good...
Check out http://www.celicasupra.com for all the common problems and stuff. Have fun...bastard 
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Re: Tech Info on the 5M-E (MA61)
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Tue, 04 June 2002 10:43
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BTW, Ed...your Supra must've been coasting along. My Celica has a 3.9:1 diff and W57 (shorter 5th gear) and that was not straining heaps at 175kph with the air/con on. It just couldn't accelerate any more. Just as the Toyota manuals say...drag limited with 21R-C to just over 175kph 
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Re: Tech Info on the 5M-E (MA61)
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Tue, 04 June 2002 10:43
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It's Ok... Its hard to look for a MA61 with an original motor nor has it done little Kms... I have always wanted a MA61 because of my gutless SA63 (Which i gave to my brother because he loves it). I have looked for a decent MA61 and Auto but have come dry a few times and when the opportunity came in buying one. I don't really mind...
A friend told me that he's car (1984 Crown) died with the bearings on the lower crankshaft cost him $4000 to fix. I don't know another details of of it being dead...
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Re: Tech Info on the 5M-E (MA61)
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Tue, 04 June 2002 10:49
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What i mean for my friend's engine is 4000 for the whole lot not just the bearings...
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Re: Tech Info on the 5M-E (MA61)
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Tue, 04 June 2002 11:06
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Do you know if the 5M-E can run unleaded instead of LRP all the time?
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Re: Tech Info on the 5M-E (MA61)
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Tue, 04 June 2002 11:19
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congratulations on purchasing a fine machine but it`d want to be one immaculant MA61 for 9K!!!
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Re: Tech Info on the 5M-E (MA61)
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Tue, 04 June 2002 11:29
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I agree, that's a big ask for an MA61! But if you're happy with the car, that's the main thing - they're a damn fine machine.
Now you just need a decent engine, so it has the go to match the show!
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Re: Tech Info on the 5M-E (MA61)
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Tue, 04 June 2002 12:53
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"What i mean for my friend's engine is 4000 for the whole lot not just the bearings..."
higginbottoms engine exchange will install a replacement, fully rebuilt 5m-e for $2250.
"Do you know if the 5M-E can run unleaded instead of LRP all the time?"
absolutely
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Re: Tech Info on the 5M-E (MA61)
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Tue, 04 June 2002 12:59
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JCMF:
car was still accelerating nicely (if not a little slowly) at 186kmh, i just chickened out.
i have had the girl pushing hard in 4th to 161kmh, and that wasnt gently gaining speed, that was accelerating hard. i had the headlights up at 186, so putting them down may have made a difference, and the passenger window was open at 161 (girlfriend hangiin out like a dog!).
generally though, 160 is reached with ZERO hesitation in fourth.
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ed
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Re: Tech Info on the 5M-E (MA61)
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Tue, 04 June 2002 13:14
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There may be something to this whole Mk2 thing...but alas, it will have to wait until the end of the year... 
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Re: Tech Info on the 5M-E (MA61)
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Tue, 04 June 2002 13:16
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The bottom end can be susceptible to failure when OLD (200000 km plus) and REVVED HARD on OLD OIL  . I know of 2 engines that failed in exactly this way. That said, 4500 is a big ask. A fully reconditioned bottom end should cost you about 1500. Other than that, valve stem seal failure is common, but easily fixed.
Sounds like a great pick up....for that price it would want to be spot on!
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Re: Tech Info on the 5M-E (MA61)
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Tue, 04 June 2002 13:22
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No Message Body
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Re: Tech Info on the 5M-E (MA61)
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Tue, 04 June 2002 14:05
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stupid computers.................
anyhu, hate to be a spoilsport but 5 ME 's generally run better/last longer running leaded/lrp, and there is also the small issue that running ulp, it doesnt have a cat it just pumps out benzine all day which is great for driver/world being a class 1 carcinogen and all
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Re: Tech Info on the 5M-E (MA61)
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Wed, 05 June 2002 01:41
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check the head gasket!!
im surprised not more people have said about this, as this is the most common problem I have come across (changed mine I think 4 times now?)
Anyway get a CO2 test done for this, any mechanic will do it with a sniffer for about 30 bucks, and is a good quick way to see if the head will need to come off.
If you do find the HG is rooted, then get it changed quick before you warp your head.
Another thing to check is the steering rack. Almost every mk2 ive come across has the boots on the rack ripped to shreds, which lets sand and crap in there and generally just kills it totally.
Mine was about 2k for the car, (not too shabby condition, but with 5ME Auto. ugh). Turbo'd it- crap, but was probably because of the Auto.
then went to 5M-GTE Manual for another 2k (less than 1k if you count old stuff I sold).
Now it goes a LOT harder, and uses all the old wiring.
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Re: Tech Info on the 5M-E (MA61)
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Wed, 05 June 2002 01:44
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oh, and ive had the Supra at about 175-180 a few times lately (stupid Skylines).
However thanks to the 4.10 diff I was sitting at about 5000rpm. It still had a LOT left in it, but 5k is the most Im willing to push it, at least without a dyno tune.
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Re: Tech Info on the 5M-E (MA61)
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Fri, 21 June 2002 02:58
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210 at 5k rpm, with 3.9 diff and 7mgte 
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Re: Tech Info on the 5M-E (MA61)
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Fri, 21 June 2002 03:22
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| gianttomato wrote on Tue, 04 June 2002 11:16 PM |
valve stem seal failure is common, but easily fixed.
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Really???? gota take the head off todo it right then ya find the chain idler is dead
for those interested
costs:
bloody nylon chain idler $66.50+GST from toyota!
Head set (allredy had stem seals forgot how much thay cost) $120
surface,clean and fix one exahust threed $75
Chain $20
Sealant,oil,coolent ect $50
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$330.00
and i got alot of stuff as "good" prices
my 5m runs strait LPG would only pull the MA45 to 170 i think it was, with a tiny 1.75 inch exahust with my 2.5 inch strait thru it pulls 180 easy before the rooted shockers on the ma45 convinced me to back off (3.909 diff and W50)
Allan
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Re: Tech Info on the 5M-E (MA61)
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Fri, 21 June 2002 03:53
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Allan, with the correct tool and some care, valve stem seal replacement can be done without taking the head off, as I told you before you did yours!  Most people decide it's a good excuse to redo the head gasket. I have done it a couple of times on old 4M's with no probs.
Simply turn engine to TDC for that cylinder, using a top acting valve spring compressor, remove the collets that hold the retainer in place and remove the lot. This leaves the valve and stem seal in clear view. Remove and replace. Reverse above process. Retorque head, set valve clearances, and you're away. Retorque head and redo valve clearances at 1000 km. You MUST be careful to not disturb the head whilst doing this.
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Re: Tech Info on the 5M-E (MA61)
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Fri, 21 June 2002 05:54
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I know dave just shit stiring
add to costing one T Series Diff(or an axle) DOH!
The continuing saga!
Allan
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Re: Tech Info on the 5M-E (MA61)
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Sun, 23 June 2002 01:11
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| bunny wrote on Wed, 05 June 2002 12:05 AM |
stupid computers.................
anyhu, hate to be a spoilsport but 5 ME 's generally run better/last longer running leaded/lrp, and there is also the small issue that running ulp, it doesnt have a cat it just pumps out benzine all day which is great for driver/world being a class 1 carcinogen and all
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Ahh... these days, I'm pretty sure LRP is just the same as unleaded + Stuff (ie valve seta lub or whatever). So either way you're pumping out crap. I don't know why the government advocated switching to unleaded.
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Re: Tech Info on the 5M-E (MA61)
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Sun, 23 June 2002 01:13
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..for leaded cars, I mean.
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Re: Tech Info on the 5M-E (MA61)
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Sun, 23 June 2002 07:04
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A while ago I was told by an engineer from Shell that their LRP is exactly the same as ULP but with a valve recession agent added. So unless you have an old car with a cast iron head and no valve seat inserts (eg old Holden six), there is absolutely no reason to use LRP.
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Re: Tech Info on the 5M-E (MA61)
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Sun, 23 June 2002 07:25
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so does that mean i can pump ULP or any unleaded for that matter through my 2T motor ???
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Re: Tech Info on the 5M-E (MA61)
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Sun, 23 June 2002 07:31
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By law, LRP has to be 96 octane wheras regular unleaded is only 92 or something. I'm sticking with LRP.
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Re: Tech Info on the 5M-E (MA61)
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Sun, 23 June 2002 10:15
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F**k off the LRP dude. Just run premium unleaded...
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Re: Tech Info on the 5M-E (MA61)
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Sun, 23 June 2002 10:52
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so franky....i can run premium unleaded through my 2T without adjusting anything ?????
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Re: Tech Info on the 5M-E (MA61)
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Sun, 23 June 2002 11:02
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haha, didn't say about ur 2T, just commenting on Stef and his 22R. I know his will run nice with premium. I'd say yours would too, being a Jap engine and all, but better leave that answer to someone who knows for sure!
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Re: Tech Info on the 5M-E (MA61)
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Sun, 23 June 2002 11:21
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nah too late
i already pumped premium through it and it killed my shit man !!
u owe me big time
hehe
nah just fucking around
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Re: Tech Info on the 5M-E (MA61)
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Sun, 23 June 2002 12:11
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Why do I have to stop using LRP? It's just unleaded petrol with a higher RON rating with valve lub added.
Premium unleaded has a RON of 95. LRP has a RON of 96. Where I live, premium unleaded is more expensive than LRP. Why would I use premium unleaded???? I tried it once. Made no difference, possibly worse not sure. For what it's worth, my celica manual states to only use a fuel of 98 RON of higher
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Re: Tech Info on the 5M-E (MA61)
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Sun, 23 June 2002 12:13
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98RON??? WTF? Sorry, I forget you lived in Tassie. The only reason I said is because my mechanic has seen a couple of engines die once they started using LRP.
BTW...my 21R-C requires 89RON
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Re: Tech Info on the 5M-E (MA61)
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Sun, 23 June 2002 12:13
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If you're talking about that Ultra premium or whatever 98 RON stuff.. can't buy that where I live.
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Re: Tech Info on the 5M-E (MA61)
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Sun, 23 June 2002 12:18
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Yeah, no shit, it says 98!
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Re: Tech Info on the 5M-E (MA61)
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Sun, 23 June 2002 12:29
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Yeah, my Dad lives in Tassie, I know what you mean. We were driving around and I've like...where's the premium? Hello, are you here? I mean, we were driving around in like Glenorchy and New Town and as busy as it was (by Tassie standards) there was no premium!
And that 98 is crazy! It has in my manual for R-series engines that the 18RG needs 98RON, but not my lovely little truck engine
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