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TopSecret72
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supra sump and aristo sump	Mon, 15 August 2005 12:35

whats the difference between the supra sump and aristo if any. May have heard the sump on one is further forward than the other. Any pics [Report message to a moderator]

joorsh
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Re: supra sump and aristo sump	Mon, 15 August 2005 13:02

I know someone else is bound to say it so I won't bother - I'll just answer the question Aristo's have a front sump. Supra's have a regular sump. The front sump is basically squished up towards the front of the motor - ideal for most engine swaps... like MA61's for example [edit]: there are some pics on my website somewhere: My half-arsed website [Updated on: Mon, 15 August 2005 14:16] [Report message to a moderator]

TopSecret72
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Re: supra sump and aristo sump	Mon, 15 August 2005 14:40

so if you put an aristo model in a car then a supra model in a car the sumps wont hit even if they are forward or at the rear and bolted up to the same spot [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: supra sump and aristo sump	Mon, 15 August 2005 17:12

yeah,just move the crossmember to clear teh sump. On a more serious note-What are you putting the 2J into mr topsecret?perhaps we can tell you what sump you will need....... GT series turbos,2J powah,sounds like a serious project!Whats the plan? [Updated on: Mon, 15 August 2005 17:21] [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: supra sump and aristo sump	Tue, 16 August 2005 01:05

pete you make good points but I think the real point you are trying to make is: topsecret put the crack pipe down and get back to doing your homework [Report message to a moderator]

TopSecret72
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Re: supra sump and aristo sump	Tue, 16 August 2005 04:41

goin in a hiace van. mate has a 1jz but i want bigga. his sump is to the rear, and by the look of it ill have to do the same. I wanted to also know if i swap the original sump around to face rearwards wil it still bolt up [Updated on: Tue, 16 August 2005 04:44] [Report message to a moderator]

Skip
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Re: supra sump and aristo sump	Tue, 16 August 2005 04:44

Can you do anything about the fact your mate has a bigger penis? Maybe a penis conversion is inorder not an engine conversion. [Report message to a moderator]

MR 1JZ
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Re: supra sump and aristo sump

Tue, 16 August 2005 05:06

TopSecret72 wrote on Tue, 16 August 2005 14:11

goin in a hiace van.
mate has a 1jz but i want bigga.
his sump is to the rear, and by the look of it ill have to do the same.
I wanted to also know if i swap the original sump around to face rearwards wil it still bolt up

if you want bigger then just go for a hektik 308 bro, it 5 litaz in capazityz, will rip hektik skidz

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rob_RA40
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Re: supra sump and aristo sump

Tue, 16 August 2005 05:14

Skip wrote on Tue, 16 August 2005 14:44

Can you do anything about the fact your mate has a bigger penis?

Maybe a penis conversion is inorder not an engine conversion.

gold

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Enchanter
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Re: supra sump and aristo sump	Tue, 16 August 2005 10:12

Is there a spec difference between the Aristo 2j and the Supra 2j ?? ( apart from the sump of course ) [Updated on: Tue, 16 August 2005 10:13] [Report message to a moderator]

Norbie
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Re: supra sump and aristo sump	Tue, 16 August 2005 11:45

I've yet to see any evidence of a significant difference. [Report message to a moderator]

TopSecret72
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Re: supra sump and aristo sump	Tue, 16 August 2005 13:11

looked a 5.7 from an ss commodore for my hiace but decided to go turbo as it a bit cheaper but did consider twins for the 5.7 in my van but space was the biggest factor [Report message to a moderator]

petespipes
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Re: supra sump and aristo sump	Tue, 16 August 2005 17:06

let me be the first to offer you a rear sump as a straight swap for whatever 1J sump you have mr topsecret! I am not normally known to be so generous as the rear sumps are like gold and highly sought after!!!!!!!!!!! But i am feeling as I should help you after unkind references to tackle dimensions. I do seem to remember one very fast Van at the drags??? No,you cant turn the sump around.You definitely need to send me your worthless front sump and I will send you my highly prized rear sump.Cheers.Pete. [Report message to a moderator]

MR 1JZ
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Re: supra sump and aristo sump	Tue, 16 August 2005 22:57

pete you got an email [Report message to a moderator]

justcallmefrank
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Re: supra sump and aristo sump

Wed, 17 August 2005 00:19

Norbie wrote on Tue, 16 August 2005 19:45

I've yet to see any evidence of a significant difference.

How about your CT20A turbos?

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Norbie
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Re: supra sump and aristo sump	Wed, 17 August 2005 02:08

JDM Supra engines also have CT20A's. [Report message to a moderator]

justcallmefrank
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Re: supra sump and aristo sump

Wed, 17 August 2005 02:16

Norbie wrote on Wed, 17 August 2005 10:08

JDM Supra engines also have CT20A's.

Aren't they supposed to have CT12B's?

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Norbie
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Re: supra sump and aristo sump	Wed, 17 August 2005 02:44

US-spec engines do. [Report message to a moderator]

V8_MA61
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Re: supra sump and aristo sump

Wed, 17 August 2005 08:32

justcallmefrank wrote on Wed, 17 August 2005 12:16

Norbie wrote on Wed, 17 August 2005 10:08

JDM Supra engines also have CT20A's.

Aren't they supposed to have CT12B's?

im sure it makes SFA difference, they are both tiny.

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Skip
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Re: supra sump and aristo sump

Wed, 17 August 2005 09:05

V8_MA61 wrote on Wed, 17 August 2005 16:32

justcallmefrank wrote on Wed, 17 August 2005 12:16

Norbie wrote on Wed, 17 August 2005 10:08

JDM Supra engines also have CT20A's.

Aren't they supposed to have CT12B's?

im sure it makes SFA difference, they are both tiny.

What is that supposed to mean? Compared to what?

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Norbie
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Re: supra sump and aristo sump

Wed, 17 August 2005 09:51

V8_MA61 wrote on Wed, 17 August 2005 18:32

im sure it makes SFA difference, they are both tiny.

You're sure based on what exactly?

US-spec Supra's regularly dyno 400+ hp at the wheels with stock turbos. A JDM Supra won't even get close to that.

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V8_MA61
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Re: supra sump and aristo sump

Thu, 18 August 2005 06:29

Norbie wrote on Wed, 17 August 2005 19:51

V8_MA61 wrote on Wed, 17 August 2005 18:32

im sure it makes SFA difference, they are both tiny.

You're sure based on what exactly?

US-spec Supra's regularly dyno 400+ hp at the wheels with stock turbos. A JDM Supra won't even get close to that.

id love to see one run that reliably. sorry, i wont get into overboosting them. i prefer the intelligent way of making an upgrade to be reliable.

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Re: supra sump and aristo sump

Thu, 18 August 2005 07:00

V8_MA61 wrote on Thu, 18 August 2005 16:29

id love to see one run that reliably.

Go hang around supraforums.com for a while. Seriously, this is common knowledge and they've been doing it for years over there.

If you have any facts to bring to the discussion let's hear them, but incorrect assumptions won't help anyone.

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V8_MA61
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Re: supra sump and aristo sump	Thu, 18 August 2005 07:41

im not arguing it cant be done with these us spec turbos, im just saying that a motor that came out with 320hp, to make about 530hp (about 400atw) i dont think its highly safe and reccomendable to use stock turbos and just keep upping the boost until they are at their peak performance. but hey, im the cautious type, maybe thats why i spend so much money and my motors last so long. touch wood. [Report message to a moderator]

Skip
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Re: supra sump and aristo sump

Thu, 18 August 2005 09:09

V8_MA61 wrote on Thu, 18 August 2005 15:41

im not arguing it cant be done with these us spec turbos, im just saying that a motor that came out with 320hp, to make about 530hp (about 400atw) i dont think its highly safe and reccomendable to use stock turbos and just keep upping the boost until they are at their peak performance.

but hey, im the cautious type, maybe thats why i spend so much money and my motors last so long. touch wood.

I hope you're not reffering to your 302 and 7m, they haven't actually done much work. Touch wood Cool

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V8_MA61
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Re: supra sump and aristo sump	Thu, 18 August 2005 10:14

the 7m has done 250000 since i rebuild it, and it cops about 1 hour everyday of ass flogging. And the motor is 240000km old. Guess i musta rebuilt it ok eh? agreed the 302 has done sfa work, but at least i have confidence it wont fail on me. nor overheat on a track. i take no shortcuts hence it works out. If you had seen what effort has gone into the car youd get a rude shock and actually respect what i have done. It certainly hasnt been a "bolt in a 1j and lets fly" conversion. [Report message to a moderator]

wilbo666
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Re: supra sump and aristo sump

Thu, 18 August 2005 11:02

V8_MA61 wrote on Thu, 18 August 2005 20:14

the 7m has done 250000 since i rebuild it, and it cops about 1 hour everyday of ass flogging. And the motor is 240000km old. Guess i musta rebuilt it ok eh?

Meh my 5M-E has a total of ~325,000 on it Razz

With 40000 since I rebuilt it...meh.

V8_MA61 wrote on Thu, 18 August 2005 20:14

... It certainly hasnt been a "bolt in a 1j and lets fly" conversion.

If that's a reference to me Laughing

Al thought considering when you started you conversion, and when I started mine, you need to pull your finger out, or my "bolt in a 1j and lets fly" conversion will be happily driving me around why you still sit and think about your push rods pushing Razz

Cheers
Wilbo

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Re: supra sump and aristo sump

Thu, 18 August 2005 23:58

V8_MA61 wrote on Thu, 18 August 2005 18:14

the 7m has done 250000 since i rebuild it, and it cops about 1 hour everyday of ass flogging. And the motor is 240000km old. Guess i musta rebuilt it ok eh?

agreed the 302 has done sfa work, but at least i have confidence it wont fail on me. nor overheat on a track. i take no shortcuts hence it works out. If you had seen what effort has gone into the car youd get a rude shock and actually respect what i have done. It certainly hasnt been a "bolt in a 1j and lets fly" conversion.

Although I have never seen your MA61 im sure youve done a great job and I respect that.

But I don't understand why you would say "my motors last so long" when one has done 24,000km and the other some idling, unless you have built some other motors that I don't know about Very Happy